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skippy05 02-04-2023 08:49 AM

Why not have a little tolerance? You can move around outdoors away from him. I do not smoke. I know there are outdoor rules for this in some places. It seems too damn much when you stop and think about it. Use your feet and move about and let people have the smallest of freedoms even if they do annoy you.

Johnsocat 02-04-2023 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnN (Post 2182877)
get a TV staff person, and watch out for concealed carry types, it's a crazy world

Exactly what is a "concealed carry type" ?

Regorp 02-04-2023 09:10 AM

Smoking
 
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Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2182558)
Anyone who has gone to listen to music has heard 4 times every night that there is no smoking at the squares. They ask that you go out to the sidewalk, away from people to smoke. After my bad restaurant experience I am sitting trying to enjoy some music when the guy sitting next to me lights up his cigar. With the smell every time he took a puff I got very annoyed. Finally I got up to leave but first I turned to him and yelled at him. I told him he sucked and that he needed to be out on the sidewalk. I then left the square missing out on the music.

Another annoying thing about smoking is being in a store and the person standing next to you smells like a cigarette. Yuke, time to walk away. Stench!!

GATORBILL66 02-04-2023 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2182558)
Anyone who has gone to listen to music has heard 4 times every night that there is no smoking at the squares. They ask that you go out to the sidewalk, away from people to smoke. After my bad restaurant experience I am sitting trying to enjoy some music when the guy sitting next to me lights up his cigar. With the smell every time he took a puff I got very annoyed. Finally I got up to leave but first I turned to him and yelled at him. I told him he sucked and that he needed to be out on the sidewalk. I then left the square missing out on the music.

I wish they would ban smoking anywhere in the town squares and all restaurants in the villages. It is such a dirty habit and ruins the evening for people that have to be anywhere need it.

psych2002 02-04-2023 09:52 AM

Cigars
 
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Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2182558)
Anyone who has gone to listen to music has heard 4 times every night that there is no smoking at the squares. They ask that you go out to the sidewalk, away from people to smoke. After my bad restaurant experience I am sitting trying to enjoy some music when the guy sitting next to me lights up his cigar. With the smell every time he took a puff I got very annoyed. Finally I got up to leave but first I turned to him and yelled at him. I told him he sucked and that he needed to be out on the sidewalk. I then left the square missing out on the music.

One of my fondest childhood memories is crawling up on my fathers lap and smelling the cigars in his breast pocket. When I smell cigars I am flooded with warm and loving memories of him.

JMintzer 02-04-2023 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2183117)
I do not feel I chose poorly, I believe he did by not following the rules. Most of this time I am a big teddy bear but don’t get me mad, I have been through too much.

One day, your temper might get you in trouble...

As I get older, I find my attitude it quite the opposite of yours.

I don't feel entitled to anything. If someone cuts me off? Who cares?

If my meal is late? I'll ask to speak to the manager. They are the only one who can fix the problem.

I would NEVER get in anyone's face and "call them a jerk" for having a cigar. It's just not that important.

That said, if someone gets in MY face, and starts verbally assaulting me, we're going to have a problem...

JMintzer 02-04-2023 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnsocat (Post 2183275)
Exactly what is a "concealed carry type" ?

Oh, you know...

The type that will shoot you, just as soon as look at you... The type that doesn't exist in the real world...

Personally, I've become much calmer in the 15+ years I've had my CCW. The LAST thing I want to do is get into an altercation...

JMintzer 02-04-2023 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by psych2002 (Post 2183345)
One of my fondest childhood memories is crawling up on my fathers lap and smelling the cigars in his breast pocket. When I smell cigars I am flooded with warm and loving memories of him.

My daughters say the same thing about their Grandpa...

Number 10 GI 02-04-2023 10:21 AM

One thing I learned real quick in my life, no matter how bad you are or think you are there is always someone who is badder. I had a young Sergeant in my platoon that had a personality clash with one of his squad mates. The Sergeant invited the other guy behind the barracks to settle their differences. Now this Sergeant was a pretty good sized guy, claims to have boxed in Golden Gloves matches and thought he was real bad. Guess who came back from behind the barracks, not the Sergeant. He was on the ground out cold. Wasn't as bad as he thought he was.

Marmaduke 02-04-2023 10:41 AM

My wise ole' dad always said~

"Don't cut your nose off to spite your face."

Boy, I miss him, but have all the wonderful lessons and memories.
How lucky I am.

Ironically, he was a cigar smoker and real easy-going.
Lived until 97, in fabulous health too.

Veiragirl 02-04-2023 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2182863)
Yep, like cycles riders with loud pipes.

How about getting stuck in your golfcart behind
a hugh bunch of "cyclists" who ride in the middle of the path and don't pull over. If what is behind you is bigger than you...pull over.

rickaslin 02-04-2023 11:03 AM

you should have left the square and had dinner at Augustines, oh wait you won't eat there anymore!!

bark4me 02-04-2023 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2182558)
Anyone who has gone to listen to music has heard 4 times every night that there is no smoking at the squares. They ask that you go out to the sidewalk, away from people to smoke. After my bad restaurant experience I am sitting trying to enjoy some music when the guy sitting next to me lights up his cigar. With the smell every time he took a puff I got very annoyed. Finally I got up to leave but first I turned to him and yelled at him. I told him he sucked and that he needed to be out on the sidewalk. I then left the square missing out on the music.

You should of told o e of the Village staff that monitors the crowd

justjim 02-04-2023 12:05 PM

Your rules
 
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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2183201)
Private Property.

No Law.

Your property - your rules.

justjim 02-04-2023 12:11 PM

Smoking
 
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Originally Posted by Marmaduke (Post 2183384)
My wise ole' dad always said~

"Don't cut your nose off to spite your face."

Boy, I miss him, but have all the wonderful lessons and memories.
How lucky I am.

Ironically, he was a cigar smoker and real easy-going.
Lived until 97, in fabulous health too.

Can’t remember my Grandpa when he wasn’t smoking a cigar or his corn cob pipe. Lived to almost 90. My Dad died at 71. Smoked cigarettes a pack or two a day. Go figure.

lawgolfer 02-04-2023 12:49 PM

Hmm! But are they lives that should be saved?

dewilson58 02-04-2023 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2183419)
Your property - your rules.

Absolutely...................my response was to "go tell the cops and have him arrested"

breaking "your rules" on smoking will not result in an arrest.

jimjamuser 02-04-2023 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2182558)
Anyone who has gone to listen to music has heard 4 times every night that there is no smoking at the squares. They ask that you go out to the sidewalk, away from people to smoke. After my bad restaurant experience I am sitting trying to enjoy some music when the guy sitting next to me lights up his cigar. With the smell every time he took a puff I got very annoyed. Finally I got up to leave but first I turned to him and yelled at him. I told him he sucked and that he needed to be out on the sidewalk. I then left the square missing out on the music.

The selfish entitlement of the Older White Male (the OWM) clan strikes again. They THINK that they own the world. They Think that they can buy a new HOT convertible car and it makes them younger and more virile. They THINK that they can drive 40 MPH in a 25 MPH residential neighborhood.
.........Sometimes there are Police walking around the squares. Maybe the smoker should get a ticket or a warning ticket. It seems like only older people are dumb enough to smoke and screw up their lungs. They will regret it when put on a respirator.

jimjamuser 02-04-2023 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2182720)
I guess I'm lucky. I actually enjoy the smell of cigar smoke. Even cigarette smoke (which I quit puffing on several decades back) doesn't bother me as it does a lot of ex-smokers. My wife on the other hand has a nose like a bloodhound and can smell the smoke when a neighbor is smoking inside.

I agree that people should be considerate enough not to light up in a crowd, particularly when the odds were that the gentleman in question knew the rules very well. However unloading on him before getting up to leave probably didn't do much good. Perhaps a friendly reminder that he was doing something against the rules, coupled with a comment that you find cigar smoke annoying, may have been enough to settle the issue.

Different people have different tolerances to air pollution or smoke or exhaust in the air. Personally, I would walk away from an area in which some clown was smoking a cigar. To me, that would especially bother me more than most people. Actually, I even smell and am disgusted by even an older gasoline Golf Carts when they pass by in the street in front of my house if the wind is from the street to me. And yes, I am more sensitive to that than most. I even am bothered by LOUD noise - like I even mute the louder TV commercials. And I wish that I could push a MUTE button on some of the LOUD talking men and women at the swimming pool. And a lot of the older Golf Carts should have been built with more advanced mufflers like the newer Yamaha Quiet Tech.
........And I will admit that I WISH that I had a higher tolerance for such air and noise pollutants.

jimjamuser 02-04-2023 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnN (Post 2182877)
get a TV staff person, and watch out for concealed carry types, it's a crazy world

You know........you are on to something. I know one concealed-carry person that IS NOT a mellow type, but more of an in-your-face type. He seems to have some anger issues and is VERY stubborn about being a "my way or the highway) type person. And I think it could be worse as he ages.
........I mean .....probably 99 % of the types like him will just age out into a rest home and/or die without ever using that pistol, but WE don't know who that 1% that might GO OFF would be. 1 % vs 99 %........like Russian roulette (pun intended ,I suppose).

jimjamuser 02-04-2023 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rodneyrail (Post 2183212)
loud pipes save lives

Loud pipes ANNOY neighbors and pedestrians and do NOT accomplish anything because since about 1975 most all cars drive around with their windows up and A/C or Heat on. Prior to 1975 loud pipes DID save lives but NOW NOT SO MUCH. Also, in this area (the retirement bubble) the older people tend to be deaf and a motorcycle rider has to worry about driving so defensively that it is NOT enjoyable to ride anymore.
.......Lots of motorcyclists here end up enjoying their retirement as a cripple or a vegetable. But, don't blame me, I am just a messenger.

jimjamuser 02-04-2023 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Worldseries27 (Post 2183223)
slowly i turned, step by step, inch by inch at brownwood

Strange.

Kenswing 02-04-2023 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2183434)
The selfish entitlement of the Older White Male (the OWM) clan strikes again. They THINK that they own the world. They Think that they can buy a new HOT convertible car and it makes them younger and more virile. They THINK that they can drive 40 MPH in a 25 MPH residential neighborhood.
.........Sometimes there are Police walking around the squares. Maybe the smoker should get a ticket or a warning ticket. It seems like only older people are dumb enough to smoke and screw up their lungs. They will regret it when put on a respirator.

Have you ever met a tangent that you didn’t like? :1rotfl:
The smoker may have just been clueless. If the OP would have just mentioned to the guy that smoking wasn’t allowed in the square he may have very well put out the cigar and apologized. But the OP instead chose to lose his mind and yell at the guy while storming off. We’ll never know.
Then in predictable fashion you come along with your “privileged white male” garbage.
You continually accuse people on this forum of being close minded. But I have NEVER seen you change your tune on a single topic. Maybe some self reflection is in order. I know when one gets older it’s harder to change their beliefs. And you seem older than most.

jimjamuser 02-04-2023 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 2183464)
Have you ever met a tangent that you didn’t like? :1rotfl:
The smoker may have just been clueless. If the OP would have just mentioned to the guy that smoking wasn’t allowed in the square he may have very well put out the cigar and apologized. But the OP instead chose to lose his mind and yell at the guy while storming off. We’ll never know.
Then in predictable fashion you come along with your “privileged white male” garbage.
You continually accuse people on this forum of being close minded. But I have NEVER seen you change your tune on a single topic. Maybe some self reflection is in order. I know when one gets older it’s harder to change their beliefs. And you seem older than most.

I am sorry that you believe that it was a tangent. I SINCERELY felt that it was RELEVANT to the discussion and was valuable. Yes, sometimes I do NOT take a laser-like focus on a single subject. I see life as having wider perspectives maybe than some others. So, if I am supposed to apologize for being me, then I do.
........I am NOT really trying to purposely alienate anyone ! I only have some different viewpoints than the average TV Land resident.

Worldseries27 02-04-2023 04:49 PM

Stranger things
 
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2183463)
strange.

that's why i included the photos to use a classic comedy routine to demonstrate the poor choice of angry words as a solution. I can also draw maps upon request

larbud 02-04-2023 05:07 PM

Cigar smokers are rude

dewilson58 02-04-2023 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by larbud (Post 2183506)
Cigar smokers are rude

Blah, Blah, Blah.

JMintzer 02-04-2023 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Worldseries27 (Post 2183504)
that's why i included the photos to use a classic comedy routine to demonstrate the poor choice of angry words as a solution. I can also draw maps upon request

"Niagara Falls..."

Don't worry, your point was on target...

jimmy o 02-04-2023 10:36 PM

Yelling at the guy merely puts you in the same bad light as him. You could have just reminded him of the rule and most likely that would have solved it. Or…… if you wanted to really make an impression you could have jumped on him face forward, knocking him backward out of his chair and onto the ground, with you on top of him and your knees pinning down his arms. Then take the cigar out of his mouth and crush it out against his forehead. That would have made an impression on him and he would think twice about lighting up again.

Garywt 02-05-2023 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rickaslin (Post 2183398)
you should have left the square and had dinner at Augustines, oh wait you won't eat there anymore!!

That is correct, I had just left there.

Garywt 02-05-2023 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by kingext (Post 2183173)
These first world problems seem to bother some more than others. Who knows why. It would'nt surprise me if tirade man went home and smoked a joint to calm down. Irony abounds!

Am I tirade man? If so I promise you I did not smoke a joint, I have never even tried any non prescribed drugs. Have never smoked either.

Garywt 02-05-2023 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MrFlorida (Post 2183251)
If he was inside the square, why not just report him to an attendant, after your remind him that smoking inside the square is not allowed ?

Many have said this but frankly I have never paid attention that their are attendants at the squares.

Garywt 02-05-2023 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by skippy05 (Post 2183258)
Why not have a little tolerance? You can move around outdoors away from him. I do not smoke. I know there are outdoor rules for this in some places. It seems too damn much when you stop and think about it. Use your feet and move about and let people have the smallest of freedoms even if they do annoy you.

Just had a bad night all around.

Garywt 02-05-2023 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psych2002 (Post 2183345)
One of my fondest childhood memories is crawling up on my fathers lap and smelling the cigars in his breast pocket. When I smell cigars I am flooded with warm and loving memories of him.

Yes but was he puffing in your face.

Garywt 02-05-2023 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jparsoneau@aol.com (Post 2183142)
I find it very unlikely that anybody was inside the Square and smoking a cigar. Which is not allowed, which I believe many people would’ve complained about if he was inside the square. Now I do believe he was probably outside the square on the sidewalk, which is where they tell you to go smoke. And yeah, smoking a cigar can be more obnoxious and smoking a cigarette. But they have the legal right to do it on the sidewalk. They even announce it four times a night they just can’t smoke inside the square. So if he was in the Square, you should’ve told the staff if he wasn’t in the Square he was in his right, and you were in the wrong .

OK so now I don’t know what a sidewalk is or what the rules are. We were not on the sidewalk. Maybe no one else was bothered, I don’t know, I didn’t take a poll. Would even know where the staff is. It was just an in the moment situation.

Garywt 02-05-2023 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2183350)
One day, your temper might get you in trouble...

As I get older, I find my attitude it quite the opposite of yours.

I don't feel entitled to anything. If someone cuts me off? Who cares?

If my meal is late? I'll ask to speak to the manager. They are the only one who can fix the problem.

I would NEVER get in anyone's face and "call them a jerk" for having a cigar. It's just not that important.

That said, if someone gets in MY face, and starts verbally assaulting me, we're going to have a problem...

You are so scary that someone is going to be in trouble. I thought you didn’t care about such things. At the time, on that day it was the thing to do. On another day it probably would not have been an issue. I don’t carry, never have and have never owned anything to carry. I have never had a reason or a need to.

Life goes on for now.

ElDiabloJoe 02-05-2023 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2182558)
Anyone who has gone to listen to music has heard 4 times every night that there is no smoking at the squares. They ask that you go out to the sidewalk, away from people to smoke. After my bad restaurant experience I am sitting trying to enjoy some music when the guy sitting next to me lights up his cigar. With the smell every time he took a puff I got very annoyed. Finally I got up to leave but first I turned to him and yelled at him. I told him he sucked and that he needed to be out on the sidewalk. I then left the square missing out on the music.

I'm an agreeable and reasonable person. You approach me gently and kindly "remind" me of the no-smoking policy or politely point me to the smoking area, I will likely comply.

You approach me in manner you described, I'm likely to tell you to F-off, write me a ticket (which you cannot), pound sand, kick rocks, and blow cigar smoke more aggressively in your direction. Then I will remember you for any future occasion that we come across each others path and I will be less than friendly and perhaps even downright hostile.

No apologies, that's just how I am. You might reconsider sticking your nose into other people's business. At the very least, you might reconsider your approach if you insist on being the Karen With A Clipboard type of person.

ThirdOfFive 02-05-2023 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2183778)
I'm an agreeable and reasonable person. You approach me gently and kindly "remind" me of the no-smoking policy or politely point me to the smoking area, I will likely comply.

You approach me in manner you described, I'm likely to tell you to F-off, write me a ticket (which you cannot), pound sand, kick rocks, and blow cigar smoke more aggressively in your direction. Then I will remember you for any future occasion that we come across each others path and I will be less than friendly and perhaps even downright hostile.

No apologies, that's just how I am. You might reconsider sticking your nose into other people's business. At the very least, you might reconsider your approach if you insist on being the Karen With A Clipboard type of person.

Yep.

You catch more flies than a skunk is welcome at a picnic...

JMintzer 02-05-2023 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2183595)
You are so scary that someone is going to be in trouble. I thought you didn’t care about such things. At the time, on that day it was the thing to do. On another day it probably would not have been an issue. I don’t carry, never have and have never owned anything to carry. I have never had a reason or a need to.

Life goes on for now.

Read IS fundamental...

All the things I said I don't care about don't include a threat to me. Someone "getting in my face" IS a threat...

The fact that you can't see the difference is quite interesting...

Bilyclub 02-05-2023 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2183778)
I'm an agreeable and reasonable person. You approach me gently and kindly "remind" me of the no-smoking policy or politely point me to the smoking area, I will likely comply.

You approach me in manner you described, I'm likely to tell you to F-off, write me a ticket (which you cannot), pound sand, kick rocks, and blow cigar smoke more aggressively in your direction. Then I will remember you for any future occasion that we come across each others path and I will be less than friendly and perhaps even downright hostile.

No apologies, that's just how I am. You might reconsider sticking your nose into other people's business. At the very least, you might reconsider your approach if you insist on being the Karen With A Clipboard type of person.

He or she can be the complainant/witness on a ticket, depending on the Officer assigned to the disturbance,


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