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asianthree 05-08-2014 09:06 AM
since we are snowflakes and come and go when we want mostly in the spring and the fall. That way I don't think we can be counted as extra people in the winter

gerryann 05-08-2014 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by VT2TV (Post 874697)
I have to agree with the posters who enjoy the decrease in the numbers of people/traffic for whatever the reason. In my perfect world, I would love to see the Villages stop being essentially a time share resort. I am sure that comment will ruffle a few feathers, but I would love to see the villages totally sold out, and no renters. I have heard more than once that when build out is complete , we would have enough people to justify more and/or better restaurants and stores. And, no, nothing specific has been said. As far as having 100% non renters (and "snowbirds" could buy every house in the Villages, I don't care who buys the houses). I have nothing against any specific renter, but if only the owners lived here-like most neighborhoods in this country-I personally think we would see far less destruction. People who own the property are far more concerned about keeping everything looking nice because any repairs are probably will be coming out of their pockets. They are more familiar with rules/regulations, and I can only hope-more familiar with how to drive in a roundabout. We wouldn't have this constant back and forth about people who like or don't like snowbirds. They owners-- and again I am speaking broadly in the whole post, for the most part don't have the attitute of "I am only vacation, and I am going to just go wild" which I would hope would decrease accidents, confrontations when they have had too much to drink" I could go on and on, but will stop now. I have talked to a few servers in the restaurants, and while they enjoy the money they get in the winter, they would rather have TV full of people who actually lived here, because they could be fairly sure of a nice steady income year round, not to mention they would rather be hired year round and not just seasonally. Obviously I am sure many of you will disagree with what I have said, but I am talking about my perfect idea, not yours, so I don't expect , nor care if you don't agree. I would like to get back to the idea of a "hometown" and not just rental property. I also doubt it would ever happen, but again, my thoughts.
I think you misunderstand what a "snowbird" is. It has nothing to do with renters. Some renters are here year round. A snowbird is someone who comes during the peak winter months only. It makes no difference if they own or rent. And what makes you think that renters are the ones that drink too much and destroy property???? We are all seniors. We are not criminals, drunks, etc. RENTING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SNOWBIRDS!

Barefoot 05-08-2014 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by VT2TV (Post 874697)
I have to agree with the posters who enjoy the decrease in the numbers of people/traffic for whatever the reason. In my perfect world, .... I would love to see the villages totally sold out, and no renters.
As Modigliani said, "If those hundreds of houses that are being built in TV were occupied by all year round residents you might be wishing you had the Snowbirds back since they aren't there year round".

EnglishJW 05-08-2014 09:56 AM
We have a place at the New Jersey shore. In the summer, everything is jam packed - just as TV is in the winter. In the summer, everything is open and busy. During the rest of the year. many of these places close or barely survive (like restaurants). It is comparable to retail sales in the holiday season. The income from the peak season is what attracts businesses. I would assume snowbirds in TV are similar to people at the beach in NJ in the summer. Yes, they don't all live there and most of them do indeed see themselves as on vacation. That is one of the major reasons they are willing to spend money. If there was no "peak season," I wonder how many of these businesses would simply close or never open in the first place. If there were no snowbirds, what would the impact be? I have heard that 20% to 40% of the homes in TV are filled with snowbirds. If that income went away, would it be worth the peace and quiet that exists during the other 9 months of the year?

Halle 05-08-2014 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by onslowe (Post 874244)
I shy away from negativity toward the snowbirds. They own homes like us and they pay year round for goods and services they only use part time.

However, I agree with Gomoho's post. In my opinion, this wonderful place has become a serious vacation rental destination year round, and that is a real problem. I come from a vacation/resort area on Long Island, NY. I saw, year after year, the problems attending the "I'm paying good money for this vacation - so watch out" attitude. Increased year round traffic, ignorance or negligence in driving, impatience and rudeness and all too often an obnoxious and mistaken sense of 'entitlement.'
I agree with The Villages becoming more of a vacation destination. We have seen the change in the 7 years we have owned here.

EnglishJW 05-08-2014 10:24 AM
We've only made one trip to TV so our experience is limited (we were ready to buy a home but it didn't work out - we'll find another). Having said that, we were very surprised at how many of the people we spoke with who live in TV also have or have had second or even third homes that they rent. Which side of the snowbird issue are you on if you both live and rent in TV?

bfdretired 05-08-2014 10:43 AM
snowbird issue makes me hesitate
 
I am a Wanna be.....The Villages may be in our future...But...talk of crowds noise crowded eating establishments and happiness that the snowbirds are leaving brings ......makes me hesitate in buying???
I can understand both sides of the issue {i think}.....if the villages is so busy of a place and so many are not happy......Do I really want to be there?
I had hopes of a quiet peaceful safe place to live with the option to enjoy a lifestyle that i can enjoy......Sorry but all of the posts make me worried about making the wrong decision....

slipcovers 05-08-2014 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bfdretired (Post 874881)
I am a Wanna be.....The Villages may be in our future...But...talk of crowds noise crowded eating establishments and happiness that the snowbirds are leaving brings ......makes me hesitate in buying???
I can understand both sides of the issue {i think}.....if the villages is so busy of a place and so many are not happy......Do I really want to be there?
I had hopes of a quiet peaceful safe place to live with the option to enjoy a lifestyle that i can enjoy......Sorry but all of the posts make me worried about making the wrong decision....
If you want to live in Florida, in the Winter, it will be worse any place that has a desirable location. We have tried both coasts from top to bottom and it is, no exaggeration,10 x as bad. 5 lanes of traffic both sides, road rage, 10 wheel trucks, long, long lines at restaurants, dirty unstocked supermarkets , to name a few. When we arrive at TV, in February, it is a breath of fresh air compared to the coasts. I cant understand the WHINNERS. If they don't like it MOVE.

dewilson58 05-08-2014 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by slipcovers (Post 874889)
If you want to live in Florida, in the Winter, it will be the worse in any place that has a desirable location. We have tried both coasts from top to bottom and it is, no exaggeration,10 x as bad. 5 lanes of traffic both sides, road rage, 10 wheel trucks, long, long lines at restaurants, dirty unstocked supermarkets , to name a few. When we arrive at TV, in February, it is a breath of fresh air compared to the coasts. I cant understand the WHINNERS. If they don't like it MOVE.

Nicely said Slip.

:pepper2::pepper2:

Bogie Shooter 05-08-2014 11:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bfdretired (Post 874881)
I am a Wanna be.....The Villages may be in our future...But...talk of crowds noise crowded eating establishments and happiness that the snowbirds are leaving brings ......makes me hesitate in buying???
I can understand both sides of the issue {i think}.....if the villages is so busy of a place and so many are not happy......Do I really want to be there?
I had hopes of a quiet peaceful safe place to live with the option to enjoy a lifestyle that i can enjoy......Sorry but all of the posts make me worried about making the wrong decision....
Less than 50 people out of 100,000+ have posted on this thread.........................you are going to let them determine you future??

Bogie Shooter 05-08-2014 11:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VT2TV (Post 874697)
I have to agree with the posters who enjoy the decrease in the numbers of people/traffic for whatever the reason. In my perfect world, I would love to see the Villages stop being essentially a time share resort. I am sure that comment will ruffle a few feathers, but I would love to see the villages totally sold out, and no renters. I have heard more than once that when build out is complete , we would have enough people to justify more and/or better restaurants and stores. And, no, nothing specific has been said. As far as having 100% non renters (and "snowbirds" could buy every house in the Villages, I don't care who buys the houses). I have nothing against any specific renter, but if only the owners lived here-like most neighborhoods in this country-I personally think we would see far less destruction. People who own the property are far more concerned about keeping everything looking nice because any repairs are probably will be coming out of their pockets. They are more familiar with rules/regulations, and I can only hope-more familiar with how to drive in a roundabout. We wouldn't have this constant back and forth about people who like or don't like snowbirds. They owners-- and again I am speaking broadly in the whole post, for the most part don't have the attitute of "I am only vacation, and I am going to just go wild" which I would hope would decrease accidents, confrontations when they have had too much to drink" I could go on and on, but will stop now. I have talked to a few servers in the restaurants, and while they enjoy the money they get in the winter, they would rather have TV full of people who actually lived here, because they could be fairly sure of a nice steady income year round, not to mention they would rather be hired year round and not just seasonally. Obviously I am sure many of you will disagree with what I have said, but I am talking about my perfect idea, not yours, so I don't expect , nor care if you don't agree. I would like to get back to the idea of a "hometown" and not just rental property. I also doubt it would ever happen, but again, my thoughts.
What does that mean??

dewilson58 05-08-2014 11:16 AM
I have to ask.............what does the bfd of the bfdretired stand for???

OBXNana 05-08-2014 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 874900)
What does that mean??
It means people that purchase property in The Villages and rent the property to others, do not take pride in ownership and do not keep their houses to the same standards as those that live in their property.

It means the people who rent a house don't follow rules, drink to excess, and have never driven in a roundabout.

Those that rent their homes to others and those that rent those houses are less desirable neighbors.

Generality at it's best.

The Buckeyes 05-08-2014 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamescarriker (Post 874353)
I'm thrilled they are gone, and like you said you can drive and eat out in peace now. :bigbow:
Look out....this snowbird is arriving on Monday!!!

Bogie Shooter 05-08-2014 01:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OBXNana (Post 874936)
It means people that purchase property in The Villages and rent the property to others, do not take pride in ownership and do not keep their houses to the same standards as those that live in their property.

It means the people who rent a house don't follow rules, drink to excess, and have never driven in a roundabout.

Those that rent their homes to others and those that rent those houses are less desirable neighbors.

Generality at it's best.
Really? Is that a big problem?

asianthree 05-08-2014 08:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by obxnana (Post 874936)
it means people that purchase property in the villages and rent the property to others, do not take pride in ownership and do not keep their houses to the same standards as those that live in their property.

It means the people who rent a house don't follow rules, drink to excess, and have never driven in a roundabout.

Those that rent their homes to others and those that rent those houses are less desirable neighbors.

Generality at it's best.
wow

ilovetv 05-08-2014 08:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halle (Post 874865)
I agree with The Villages becoming more of a vacation destination. We have seen the change in the 7 years we have owned here.
One of the more brilliant concepts The Villages Sales has had is the Lifestyle Preview Plan in which people RENT a newer, well-decorated, villa near Lake Sumter Landing so that people can try the lifestyle for real. Actually experiencing the lifestyle is what sells the homes here. Villagers interviewed in the many TV Livin' the Lifestyle Videos have said, "We love it because it's like a permanent vacation."

People already here at some point are going to want to sell their home, or they'll be dead and their heirs will want/need to sell it. Reducing or eliminating rentals would reduce drastically the number of buyers who actually know from experience what they want and where they want it and how much they need to pay for what they want.

Eliminate rentals and you'll get "Geriatric Estates: Waiting to Die". And what 55-year-old couple about to retire wants to buy a home in a "waiting to die" town, as many here on TOTV described the other 55+ communities they checked out in FL and reviewed in another recent thread??

The only reasonable solution to the perceived problem of too many non-resident owners would be to pass an ordinance saying only up to ____% of the total number of homes can be rentals.

jbdlfan 05-08-2014 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 874594)
"but I have to breathe a sigh of relief now that they are gone"
So hard to put up with them when they are here?
Wow! Talk about select reading! Did you read the beginning of the statement where the OP said they are "I know all of the money that the snow birds bring to our community" and "It's nothing against them personally"???????
Geesh, very fair and sensible statement about crowding. I see it's attack mode on TOTV again.....

Didiwinbob 05-08-2014 09:26 PM
We (hubby & I) have lived here just over 8 months. Yes the restaurants and traffic are busier but I wouldn't have it any other way. I loved the seasonal neighbors, more dancers in the squares, and more opportunities to meet potential friends. Now the neighborhood is quiet, more open tee times ( but we didn't have trouble reserving times this winter), I love it here, I feel very safe and I find myself smiling more. To each their own.

Cajulian 05-08-2014 09:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VT2TV (Post 874697)
I have to agree with the posters who enjoy the decrease in the numbers of people/traffic for whatever the reason. In my perfect world, I would love to see the Villages stop being essentially a time share resort. I am sure that comment will ruffle a few feathers, but I would love to see the villages totally sold out, and no renters. I have heard more than once that when build out is complete , we would have enough people to justify more and/or better restaurants and stores. And, no, nothing specific has been said. As far as having 100% non renters (and "snowbirds" could buy every house in the Villages, I don't care who buys the houses). I have nothing against any specific renter, but if only the owners lived here-like most neighborhoods in this country-I personally think we would see far less destruction. People who own the property are far more concerned about keeping everything looking nice because any repairs are probably will be coming out of their pockets. They are more familiar with rules/regulations, and I can only hope-more familiar with how to drive in a roundabout. We wouldn't have this constant back and forth about people who like or don't like snowbirds. They owners-- and again I am speaking broadly in the whole post, for the most part don't have the attitute of "I am only vacation, and I am going to just go wild" which I would hope would decrease accidents, confrontations when they have had too much to drink" I could go on and on, but will stop now. I have talked to a few servers in the restaurants, and while they enjoy the money they get in the winter, they would rather have TV full of people who actually lived here, because they could be fairly sure of a nice steady income year round, not to mention they would rather be hired year round and not just seasonally. Obviously I am sure many of you will disagree with what I have said, but I am talking about my perfect idea, not yours, so I don't expect , nor care if you don't agree. I would like to get back to the idea of a "hometown" and not just rental property. I also doubt it would ever happen, but again, my thoughts.

VT2TV, we own our home (no mortgage) and are snowbirds. We never rent it out. We maintain it better than most homes around us. And we definitely aren't here on vacation. We live here and take pride in what we have and do in this great community.

How do you classify us? Are we bad people and don't have as high standards as you.

The Great Fumar 05-08-2014 10:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 874274)
LOL
I've often wondered why it is okay to golf together in foursomes but not dine as foursomes!
Wonder no more !!!
Golf foursomes are assigned ....Dining foursomes are not !!!!


your welcome

Fumar

villagerjack 05-08-2014 10:54 PM
So I am an "extra" person? Thanks a lot.

OBXNana 05-09-2014 05:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jbdlfan (Post 875163)
Wow! Talk about select reading! Did you read the beginning of the statement where the OP said they are "I know all of the money that the snow birds bring to our community" and "It's nothing against them personally"???????
Geesh, very fair and sensible statement about crowding. I see it's attack mode on TOTV again.....
I feel the original post (may have not been intentional on their part) attacked anyone that came to The Villages and rented a property or the person that may buy a property to use in the future and currently rents their property to others. We personally have fit into both of those groups at one point or another.

Typically, I do not get into this type of discussion. I found it difficult to avoid when so many generalities were used by the original post. I understand this is/was their feelings on houses not owner occupied. The original post was the attack. The posts that followed, defended their feelings on being lumped into a negative group without facts. How can this not be taken personally?

Bay Kid 05-09-2014 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by karostay (Post 874806)
Whew Snowbirds are gone !
Trash on the trails still appearing
Bad golf cart drivers on a daily basis are encountered
Now who are going to point the finger at
So true!

dewilson58 05-09-2014 07:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OBXNana (Post 875215)
I feel the original post (may have not been intentional on their part) attacked anyone that came to The Villages and rented a property or the person that may buy a property to use in the future and currently rents their property to others. We personally have fit into both of those groups at one point or another.

Typically, I do not get into this type of discussion. I found it difficult to avoid when so many generalities were used by the original post. I understand this is/was their feelings on houses not owner occupied. The original post was the attack. The posts that followed, defended their feelings on being lumped into a negative group without facts. How can this not be taken personally?
Yepper

Time for this thread to die.

Mallory Voice 05-15-2014 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 874228)
I know all of the money that the snow birds bring to our community but I have to breathe a sigh of relief now that they are gone. It's nothing against them personally, but I really like being able to eat at a restaurant, travel the roads without too much traffic and shop more comfortably in the stores. It's kinda like our vacation now. Does anyone else feel the same?
Many many permanent Villagers feel the same way. We're glad to see them arrive for business sake and glad to see them leave so we can take back our community. :agree: Mallory voice

Bogie Shooter 05-15-2014 01:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mallory Voice (Post 878174)
Many many permanent Villagers feel the same way. We're glad to see them arrive for business sake and glad to see them leave so we can take back our community. :agree: Mallory voice
You may want to read the other 65 posts.

Mikeod 05-15-2014 02:24 PM
Wow! Lots of attitude.

I look at the high season as normal because, like other communities, the houses are all occupied, whether with owners or renters. Amenities are in high demand; golf course times are in short supply (shorter days with more players); restaurants have waiting lines. Truth is there are workarounds for all these. Go or sign up early for classes; be less choosy about course and time or accept that you may not play as many times per week as desired; eat at home more or earlier at restaurants.

I consider the rest of the year as not normal. Many of my friends are not here. The overall energy in the community is lower. Clubs don't meet over the summer either because of the heat or fewer members present. Don't get me wrong, though. I do enjoy being able to decide to play golf and get a time on a desired course same day. I do enjoy quicker access to restaurants.

We came here from San Diego where we had the visitors in the winter from colder climes, then the ones in the summer from Arizona escaping the heat. So it was year 'round. I like it here!

bonrich 05-16-2014 06:37 AM
It might be safe to say that the majority of us started out as "snowbirds", enjoying the vacation times here for some years, staying longer with each visit and then looking at making a change in our lives, selling the home and all that we had for many years, for some an easy choice and others very difficult. That snowbird that is renting a place in your neighborhood may very well be someone that will become a neighbor or a friend in the future in part by how they were treated by you, made to feel welcome no matter how long they rented, or shared a table in a busy restaurant, a bench in one of the Squares, or a golf partner when making reservations to play.
So, enjoy our time here for as long as we have.........

CFrance 05-16-2014 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bonrich (Post 878539)
It might be safe to say that the majority of us started out as "snowbirds", enjoying the vacation times here for some years, staying longer with each visit and then looking at making a change in our lives, selling the home and all that we had for many years, for some an easy choice and others very difficult. That snowbird that is renting a place in your neighborhood may very well be someone that will become a neighbor or a friend in the future in part by how they were treated by you, made to feel welcome no matter how long they rented, or shared a table in a busy restaurant, a bench in one of the Squares, or a golf partner when making reservations to play.
So, enjoy our time here for as long as we have.........
Excellent.:coolsmiley:

njbchbum 05-16-2014 09:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Great Fumar (Post 875190)
Wonder no more !!!
Golf foursomes are assigned ....Dining foursomes are not !!!!


your welcome

Fumar
Don't see it that way! Restaurant host/hostess assigns tables to diners [or diners to tables]...and it seems that golfers are not always amenable to those assignments - especially when required to WAIT for all parties to be present before being seated.

Josie70 05-16-2014 10:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 874228)
I know all of the money that the snow birds bring to our community but I have to breathe a sigh of relief now that they are gone. It's nothing against them personally, but I really like being able to eat at a restaurant, travel the roads without too much traffic and shop more comfortably in the stores. It's kinda like our vacation now. Does anyone else feel the same?
I agree with you 100 per cent we can go anywhere now......

lousandi 05-16-2014 03:34 PM
Hi everyone.............I am a "snowbird......snowflake......homeowner..........g osh, I am not sure what I am! Anyway, even I am glad when the snowbirds go, and I AM ONE! I am from Connecticut but live mostly in The Villages. It does get hectic in the winter months here but this past year CT had horrible weather and we were really glad to be here.

I have made wonderful friends here and am thankful for this lifestyle. Even though I am somewhat of a snowbird I keep my home in great shape, keep the yard well manicured all year long and support the Villages Homeowners Association.

Josie70 05-16-2014 03:37 PM
[QUOTE=TheVillageChicken;874252]In my neighborhood, it also means they took their snowdogs with them.[/QUO

In my neighborhood also..

Bogie Shooter 05-16-2014 04:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lousandi (Post 878767)
Hi everyone.............I am a "snowbird......snowflake......homeowner..........g osh, I am not sure what I am! Anyway, even I am glad when the snowbirds go, and I AM ONE! I am from Connecticut but live mostly in The Villages. It does get hectic in the winter months here but this past year CT had horrible weather and we were really glad to be here.

I have made wonderful friends here and am thankful for this lifestyle. Even though I am somewhat of a snowbird I keep my home in great shape, keep the yard well manicured all year long and support the Villages Homeowners Association.
A very large majority do just that. Enjoy your summer.

mrbgull 05-16-2014 05:48 PM
Good point, ilove tv

asianthree 05-16-2014 08:11 PM
on a happy note I am glad the love bugs are gone, so the can stop making the cars look like they are wearing a sweater, and everything white look speckled.:a040:

VT2TV 05-16-2014 10:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lousandi (Post 878767)
Hi everyone.............I am a "snowbird......snowflake......homeowner..........g osh, I am not sure what I am! Anyway, even I am glad when the snowbirds go, and I AM ONE! I am from Connecticut but live mostly in The Villages. It does get hectic in the winter months here but this past year CT had horrible weather and we were really glad to be here.

I have made wonderful friends here and am thankful for this lifestyle. Even though I am somewhat of a snowbird I keep my home in great shape, keep the yard well manicured all year long and support the Villages Homeowners Association.


Thanks for saying you recognize how things are less crowded when the seasonal residents are gone. I have NOTHING against any of the seasonal residents personally, I atually have some very, very good friends who are seasonal residents. I just have a problem with all the crowding and difficulty getting around TV during the fall, winter and spring---some times worse than others.

Bay Kid 05-17-2014 06:10 AM
While we are back home enjoying golf, boating and the beach take good care of all our amenities.

hdandydon 05-20-2014 10:23 AM
I do absolutely , this is now our vacation. The developer just's wants to keel expanding, all about profits I guess.


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