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Nana2Teddy 09-05-2022 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMo50 (Post 2133252)
California has completely run off the rails, and deservedly so. They do not have the electrical grid capacity to serve what is there now, and they want to mandate no fossil fuel vehicles by 2035. It is quite telling that they are now directing residents to refrain from charging electric vehicles in order to ease pressure on their grid.

Yep, and that’s just one of our many many problems here. We are working on getting out of here as soon as possible. We’ll be leaving our 3 adult kids and only grandbaby behind, but that’s their choice to live here. It’s no longer ours.

JMintzer 09-05-2022 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2133323)
If I had a choice would take being rich over poor

"Money doesn't by happiness, but it affords you a higher quality of misery..."

"Money doesn't buy happiness, but it'll buy a Cadillac, so you can drive around looking for it..."


-My late Father-in-Law

Margterrymcg 09-05-2022 09:34 PM

RV alternative
 
We’ve stayed in our RV in a RI campground during the summer. That has been economical.

Two Bills 09-06-2022 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2133463)
When you say you were "Renting:" do you mean an AirBnB? We are considering coming North for 2-3 months but are seeking a way to do so since we will not still own our Up North home. Thanks!

Not AirBnB.
We rented a house.
Used this site, but there are others.

VH4R Home Rentals in The Villages Florida The Villages Rentals

Daxdog 09-06-2022 05:57 AM

SB
 
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Originally Posted by DonnaNi4os (Post 2133415)
Do you stay up at night thinking about this?

I don’t know if they really need more money, the ones near me go from house to house trying borrow everything thing from lawnmower to pots and pans!

La lamy 09-06-2022 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2133414)
interesting, I'd love to see how the numbers were crunched to get to the 1 1/2 months figure. Whenever I calculated it (which I did many times over the years trying to justify the investment) I came up with a number more like 6 or 7 months.
However, I was including my mortgage payment, and not including any capital appreciation (since that is an unknown and unpromised amount).

Whenever I've had this conversation with people, usually owners of homes, they compare what it costs them today, typically on a home they paid cash for, and bought 10 years ago, with what rents are today. It still comes out to more than 1 1/2 months, usually.

Yes every individual would have to take into account mortgage costs if needed, but investing into a home usually always ends up being a wise choice, especially in a well desired location. I know for me it's definitely less expensive to own than rent for 6 months, even with expected repairs taken into account.

Laker14 09-06-2022 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2133489)
"Money doesn't by happiness, but it affords you a higher quality of misery..."

"Money doesn't buy happiness, but it'll buy a Cadillac, so you can drive around looking for it..."


-My late Father-in-Law

:agree:

"Money. You can't take it with you but you can't go very far without it."

"The more $hit you got, the more $hit you gotta worry about"

-My buddy's long late granddad.

Laker14 09-06-2022 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by La lamy (Post 2133539)
Yes every individual would have to take into account mortgage costs if needed, but investing into a home usually always ends up being a wise choice, especially in a well desired location. I know for me it's definitely less expensive to own than rent for 6 months, even with expected repairs taken into account.

I agree. Also, finding a rental every year is a hassle. Many rentals are owned by folks who ultimately plan on retiring and using their home for themselves. When that happens you are back to finding another place. Choice of area becomes tougher.

I had planned on just renting. There is the convenience of handing over the keys and not worrying about anything all summer long. But as my desire to stay in TV stretched from 3 months to eventually 7+, it made sense to buy.

The extra hassle of ownership is more than outweighed by the convenience of having my own furniture, (a good bed!), my own pots, pans, cutlery, and two golf carts ready and waiting for me.
It's a good life. I worked a few extra years so I could afford it. I'm glad I did.
As far as I'm concerned, the fact that the real estate will likely appreciate is gravy, and WTH, maybe as good an investment, or better, than CDs or bonds, or equities. Probably not a bad way to diversify.

ILLINOIS RAY 09-06-2022 06:47 AM

Why so bitter? You do not know everyone's circumstances.

MX rider 09-06-2022 07:19 AM

We'll be snowbrids soon. We bought a home in TV last March. Just downsized here in SW Indiana to get prepared for retirement. Our plan is to keep both homes for about 4 or 5 years until the grandkids get a bit older. My wife isn't ready to leave them yet. Plus we do love it here 7 months out of the year. lol.
Eventually we'll end up in TV full time. We planned for this, but we don't want 2 homes forever.

Everyones plan is different. It really isn't about wealth, but investing well and saving for retirement. Also not buying more house than you can afford is key. We're not rich by any means, but god willing we stay healthy and can live full and active life.

rsmurano 09-06-2022 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2133018)
Do you feel snowbirds are wealthier than the people that live in TV year around?

They would need:

2 homes.
2 wardrobes at each house.
2 cars.
2 tax bills.
2 heating/cooling bills.
2 yard maintenance contracts.
2 doctors/dentist etc.
And someone to check on each house for 6 months.

We in TV thank you for sharing your wealth. :wave:

Not sure what your point is! There are multi-millionaires owning outright 1 house here in TV and/or owning outright multiple houses around the country. I know people that own multiple homes and they have multiple mortgages.

You can also say that owning multiple houses has been a very good investment that has generated more profit than expenses at the same time of being able to live where and when they desire

JMintzer 09-06-2022 07:40 AM

Snowbirds be like...

https://media4.giphy.com/media/YZGJc1WmUZPi0/giphy.gif

Scorpyo 09-06-2022 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by B-flat (Post 2133202)
I pray I'll be dead when electric cars become mainstream and at my current age it's very possible.



There are many but don't forget Steven Spielberg and his jet. This is a quote from the NY Post:

A private jet belonging to Steven Spielberg has burned more than $116,000 worth of jet fuel since June despite the famous Hollywood director’s past warnings about global warming, according to a flight tracking database. These elites are full of that stuff we flush down the toilet each day.

??? You have a Bull on your property that uses your toilet? 😂

Stu from NYC 09-06-2022 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Scorpyo (Post 2133601)
??? You have a Bull on your property that uses your toilet? 😂

Huh????

vinnytalk 09-06-2022 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2133020)
Not sure about more wealth, but they are certainly strapped with more responsibilities, and not just the responsibilities involved with owning and maintaining two homes. Many don’t want to own two homes, but are forced to because of unavoidable responsibilities that require them to continue to spend significant time outside of Florida. My best advise for anyone retiring is to dump any and all possible responsibilities and avoid taking on new ones like the plague. We spent our whole adult lives dealing with responsibilities, retirement is our limited remaining time to do whatever we want, whenever we f’in please : )

What's the point, people have the right to do with they want with their money?

manaboutown 09-06-2022 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2133584)
Not sure what your point is! There are multi-millionaires owning outright 1 house here in TV and/or owning outright multiple houses around the country. I know people that own multiple homes and they have multiple mortgages.

You can also say that owning multiple houses has been a very good investment that has generated more profit than expenses at the same time of being able to live where and when they desire

On another thread I commented on how my brother is working to straighten out the finances of his 81 year old sister-in-law and her 89 year old husband who has developed dementia. They owned four houses, three in and near a mountain town in Colorado, and one in Tucson. They were snowbirds. One of the CO houses was a rental and the long term tenants recently moved out. When my brother got ahold of their finances they did not have sufficient cash to pay their income taxes! They had lived large (pun intended; they each are obese) for almost 25 years on two quite sizable pensions, but had not set aside any cash savings. Long story short: my brother sold the vacant rental and their $700,000 "cabin" for which they had paid $150,000 some years ago. He recently put their large CO home up for sale. So, their multiple homes will fund their last few years in Tucson along with their generous pensions. They lived quite high (pun intended, CO homes at 8,500; cabin at 9,500 ft. elev.).

Scorpyo 09-06-2022 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2133610)
Huh????

You have to read 93 in it's entirety to get my humor. Primarily the ending.

PugMom 09-06-2022 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2133134)
My two favorite aspects of the "climate change" scam are:

a) Leonardo Dicaprio, U.N. global ambassador for climate change, flying to conferences in a private jet. This was in addition to the time he borrowed a Saudi prince's yacht and sailed it from the Mediterranean to Brazil using something like 6,500 gallons of diesel fuel.

b) All the politicians and Hollyweird stars that are telling you to hide under your bed from the climate change boogie man and how you are going to drown in rising ocean waters are busy building multi-million dollar homes on the beach.

But back on topic----at one point I owned 5 properties, now I have only 1, and I'm much happier.

don't forget Harry & Megan, :clap2:

PugMom 09-06-2022 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by vinnytalk (Post 2133618)
What's the point, people have the right to do with they want with their money?

agreed. what my neighbor earns is none of my business. if they can do things we can't afford, be happy for them. they earned it

ElDiabloJoe 09-06-2022 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2133674)
agreed. what my neighbor earns is none of my business. if they can do things we can't afford, be happy for them. they earned it

I am happy to see good people do well and the more money they have, the better. I hate to see lawsuit millionaires who got their money by suing police departments for their own stupid behavior to begin with.

The more money hard-working, good, honest people have, the happier I am for them. They deserve it, and they earned it, IMHO.

Laker14 09-06-2022 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MX rider (Post 2133582)
We'll be snowbrids soon. We bought a home in TV last March. Just downsized here in SW Indiana to get prepared for retirement. Our plan is to keep both homes for about 4 or 5 years until the grandkids get a bit older. My wife isn't ready to leave them yet. Plus we do love it here 7 months out of the year. lol.
Eventually we'll end up in TV full time. We planned for this, but we don't want 2 homes forever.

Everyones plan is different. It really isn't about wealth, but investing well and saving for retirement. Also not buying more house than you can afford is key. We're not rich by any means, but god willing we stay healthy and can live full and active life.

This is the place for it. If you like to be busy and active, you'll love it here.

Stu from NYC 09-06-2022 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Scorpyo (Post 2133643)
You have to read 93 in it's entirety to get my humor. Primarily the ending.

Bit of a stretch but understand it now

44Apple 09-06-2022 11:22 AM

Way, way off original topic, but those who are against electrical vehicles now are probably descended from those who did not want motorcars in 1925 and those who did not want trains in 1825.

Two Bills 09-06-2022 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2133672)
don't forget Harry & Megan, :clap2:

There goes the neighborhood!:p

golfing eagles 09-06-2022 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 44Apple (Post 2133706)
Way, way off original topic, but those who are against electrical vehicles now are probably descended from those who did not want motorcars in 1925 and those who did not want trains in 1825.

Or....... They are the people who realize this whole climate change scam is bogus and the mining and disposal of lithium is far more damaging than any CO2 emissions that have virtually no effect on climate cycles that are driven by the power of the sun and Earth's axis variations. [end of run on sentence]

Michael G. 09-06-2022 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2133584)
I know people that own multiple homes and they have multiple mortgages.

Which means they have huge multiple incomes.

tophcfa 09-06-2022 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2133730)
Which means they have huge multiple incomes.

Or it could simply indicate that mortgage underwriting standards have again become dangerously relaxed. Rewind to around 2007, when anyone with a faint pulse could qualify for a mortgage they had very little chance of ever repaying, which resulted in an inevitable nationwide housing market crash which rippled through to the stock market and the economy.

manaboutown 09-06-2022 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2133822)
Or it could simply indicate that mortgage underwriting standards have again become dangerously relaxed. Rewind to around 2007, when anyone with a faint pulse could qualify for a mortgage they had very little chance of ever repaying, which resulted in an inevitable nationwide housing market crash which rippled through to the stock market and the economy.

Bank of America tests no-down-payment mortgages for Black, Latino homebuyers | Fox Business

Laker14 09-06-2022 07:25 PM

what could go wrong?

Stu from NYC 09-06-2022 08:55 PM

Did they not learn a lesson the last time they did this?

MX rider 09-06-2022 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2133699)
This is the place for it. If you like to be busy and active, you'll love it here.

Oh yes. We're very active. Both in our mid 60's and very fit. I still ride my dirt bike and mountain bike. Plus I'm an avid runner. Lots to do outside the bubble as well.That's why we chose the Villages. Been there 3 times since we bought our house. We love it.

Garywt 09-07-2022 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2133018)
Do you feel snowbirds are wealthier than the people that live in TV year around?

They would need:

2 homes.
2 wardrobes at each house.
2 cars.
2 tax bills.
2 heating/cooling bills.
2 yard maintenance contracts.
2 doctors/dentist etc.
And someone to check on each house for 6 months.

We in TV thank you for sharing your wealth. :wave:

Wealth, I don’t think so. 2 homes yes but we bought Florida before I retired. My wife works and I collect a pension and disability. I was forced to retire when my cancer would not let me work at 56. We are only at our house 4-6 weeks a year. Will not sell our northern home as long as our grandson needs a place to live, just won’t happen. The homes are not huge. Northern home is 1872 sq feet bought 27 years ago, The Village home is a Villa at 1462 sq feet bought 3 years ago, small mortgage. Was only able to buy Florida home after collecting commissions from 2 huge jobs I sold before I went out sick and eventually retired.

2 tax bills yes bur both paid through the escrow accounts so we don’t really see them.

2 cars, yes but we have had 2 cars for over 35 years.

2 heating/cooling bills or 2 electric bills but the Florida bills are not bad since we are not there much.

1 yard maintenance bill as I do all the work up north, it is about all I can do.

Doctors up north only.

Don’t pay anyone to watch any house, daughter lives up north and our neighbors call call if the see anything and either a friend with a key checks it out or I fly down.

In addition to this we gave 2 campers, 1 on a seasonal site and one to travel with plus one boat that we keep on a lake near camp.

Mostly I blew through my 401k figuring my wife can sell everything she wants plus collect me life insurance and she will be good to go.

At best I have considered us as lower middle class.

Garywt 09-07-2022 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2133730)
Which means they have huge multiple incomes.

Not true. 2 houses could be small.

JMintzer 09-07-2022 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2133822)
Or it could simply indicate that mortgage underwriting standards have again become dangerously relaxed. Rewind to around 2007, when anyone with a faint pulse could qualify for a mortgage they had very little chance of ever repaying, which resulted in an inevitable nationwide housing market crash which rippled through to the stock market and the economy.

Or, like me, they are mortgage free in their primary home and can put down over 30% on a new home to make getting a mortgage much more attractive to lenders... My current mortgage in TV is about the same as my property taxes up north...

In another year or two, when I can finally fully retire, we'll sell the big home up North and move down full time. Until then, we come and go as often as we can...

I come down 2 weeks every quarter and the Boss stays longer... Especially over the Winter...

Laker14 09-07-2022 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2133963)
Or, like me, they are mortgage free in their primary home and can put down over 30% on a new home to make getting a mortgage much more attractive to lenders... My current mortgage in TV is about the same as my property taxes up north...

In another year or two, when I can finally fully retire, we'll sell the big home up North and move down full time. Until then, we come and go as often as we can...

I come down 2 weeks every quarter and the Boss stays longer... Especially over the Winter...

you are rich and I resent it.

JMintzer 09-07-2022 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2133990)
you are rich and I resent it.

Define rich... :loco::p:wave:

Laker14 09-07-2022 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2134000)
Define rich... :loco::p:wave:

anyone who might have more than I have?

Yeah, that seems fair.

DAVES 09-07-2022 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2133181)
My opinion, if you want an electric vehicle - you should get one. I think you should only be allowed to charge it via solar panels and/or a windmill attached to your garage. No plugging into the electrical grid. That way, you won't be a hypocrite.

Nothing is perfect yet people demand, expect perfection. I have a gasoline car and it is 11 years old. The batteries in an electric car do not last 11 years and are very expensive to replace.

Reality of solar panels and windmills. Again neither is perfect. I don't think you would be allowed to put in a wind turbine-I've not seen any. Solar panels? I do wonder how secure they are in a hurricane?

It is great that we have so many choices.

DAVES 09-07-2022 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2134011)
anyone who might have more than I have?

Yeah, that seems fair.

The list of top earners is published every year. Buffet, Besos, do not need to worry that I will replace them.

Laker14 09-07-2022 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2134034)
The list of top earners is published every year. Buffet, Besos, do not need to worry that I will replace them.

They're safe with me as well.


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