Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2014431)

I did NOT know that ........thank you........I was believing the cow-exit-gas theory. Now I will put my dunce cap on and sit in a corner and meditate on why it is known that the Atlantic ocean is rising and temperature is rising and 97% of all scientists believe that the rise is man-made!

Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 2014432)

Does your house run on solar panels?

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2014455)

Good one! That made me laugh - a good hearty laugh, thanks!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2014494)

Having ALL ELECTRIC GOLF CARTS and electric mowers would make me and our mother (mother earth) VERY happy. I am doing my part and getting BOTH! Now it is your turn to be nice to Mother! And my mower is a 20-inch push Kobalt that is quiet as a"Dream Machine". She pushes easily and never refuses me (to start). I named her ....Ginger Peachy! And she has long sharp nails.....I mean blade. What more can a tool-man desire?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2013941)

Please tell me that is a tongue in cheek joke, please. No one, perhaps with the exception of Al Gore, should believe any of this "global warming" garbage that is being shoved down our throats, although PT Barnum was right when he said that there is one born every minute. I have explained at least a dozen times that we have been in an ice age for 4+ million years with cyclical periods of glaciation and thaws (and therefore periods of warming and cooling). We have been through both the warming and cooling limbs of this cycle at least 2 dozen times in that period and 2 things are true-----
1) we are still here
2) It HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SUV'S OR ANY OTHER ACTIVITY OF MAN

Our kids and grandkids?????? Not likely, although our descendants in about 15,000 years will live at the peak of the warming cycle and our coastal cities will be under 100 feet of water. But don't break out the sunscreen and swim trunks just yet, because 30,000 years after that, NY City will again be under 2 miles of ice.

But, if anyone doesn't understand the simple science behind paleoclimatology, then by all means let's spend 100 trillion dollars over the next 40 years to combat "global warming" What a joke!

PS: This is not to denigrate solar power---it is a good thing and there are plenty of reasons to utilize it. However "global warming" is NOT one of them

Originally Posted by maxfl1 (Post 2014078)

And, surely, you have a phd in the area. Would you like to hear from an MIT scientist on the subject. Go debate him:
2018 Annual GWPF Lecture - Prof Richard Lindzen - Global Warming For The Two Cultures - YouTube
Learn something.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2014363)

I wish that you would run for local politics. But, you are too idealistic about TV Land. It is set up to make $$$$ and not for social good! It is one of the most backward places that I have ever lived in! Like dark-ages backward. Sit down in a foldup chair in ANY residential TV Land street with pretty much Golf Car traffic. Wait until a Golf Car goes past you for about 60 feet. Then start taking deep breaths and use your nose. Most are gas Golf Cars and unless brand new will smell like you poured gasoline on your own shirt! They STINK, STINK, STINK, AND MORE STINK. The drivers are moving into fresh air so they do NOT realize what a terrible thing they are doing to TV Landers and even the upper atmosphere. Notice that when a regular car or small truck goes by they don't stink sometimes NOT at all. And what are the health effects on an older population, some with allergies, asthma, or other serious problems?

But GOLF is KING in TV land. So, no one BETTER say a bad word about the polluting machines called golf cars. And put the screws to the environment even though these small gas machines are polluting more than the larger smog control devices protected large vehicles. And then there is the LAWN MOWER polluting MACHINES BURNING gasoline. And the 2-STROKE 120 DB noise blasting leaf blowers - do THEY get a pass. I know that there are a bizzillion OIL lobbyists pushing for more gas usage - but this is BEYOND ridiculous!

So, if they can't fix what is right in front of their nose? - How can I expect them to fix or be in ANY way helpful in combating global warming. Not going to happen in this state - in this lifetime. They might talk some words about getting with a GREEN program. But, the real GREEN is what will be priority numero uno! So good luck and when you tire of changing those minds - please join MY club for the jousting of windmills!

Originally Posted by zendog3 (Post 2014409)

Wow! I was aware there were still people who disagreed that global climate change was a fact and that people were the primary cause, but I am amazed by the passion of some readers.

Your opinion was common in the '70s, but the consensus among scientists studying climate has moved. Perhaps you should take another look at the science.

It is not reasonable to expect any reader of this list to read all the primary science. Instead, we must select our sources and evaluate not the scientific research but the authority of the source. Bush, Gore, Trump, Hannity, Biden, etc., are not the people we should trust in matters where there is a scientific answer. Because the stakes are so high, we need to consider the words and writings of scientists researching this field.

I refer you to Wikipedia for a summary, where a long and meticulously documented article is waiting.

Surveys of scientists' views on climate change - Wikipedia

People violently opposed to the idea of global warming will not read an article that attacks their fundamental beliefs. People skeptical may look at the charts and graphs. However, anyone with faith in science who reads the report can not help but be persuaded by the consensus statement quoted here:

Academic studies of scientific agreement on human-caused global warming among climate experts (2010–2019) reflect that the level of consensus correlates with expertise in climate science.[302][303]
There is an overwhelming scientific consensus that global surface temperatures have increased in recent decades and that the trend is caused mainly by human-induced emissions of greenhouse gases, with 90–100% (depending on the exact question, timing and sampling methodology) of publishing climate scientists agreeing.[304] The consensus has grown to 100% among research scientists on anthropogenic global warming as of 2019.[305] No scientific body of national or international standing disagrees with this view.[306] Consensus has further developed that some form of action should be taken to protect people against the impacts of climate change, and national science academies have called on world leaders to cut global emissions.[307]

The Wikipedia article is backed with pages and pages of citations to original scientific papers.

Most of us will die in a world where the earth's temperature is still rising and climate catastrophe is growing. It is for our grandchildren and great-grandchildren that we need to act now.

Originally Posted by zendog3 (Post 2014414)

Many folks on this list have said the developer is only interested in money. I could not disagree more.

The lot my house is built on backs to a golf course and pond. I paid about $100,000 for that view. I drive about one-quarter of a mile on Hillsborough beside the same view when I leave my home. The developer is not stupid. They knew they could have moved the street and sold every sixty feet of that view for $100,000. The developer, long ago, made more money than they will ever spend. Some rich man once said, “After a certain amount, money is only a way to keep score.”

I believe one of the primary interests of the developer is their legacy. When the members of the family, like their parents before them, die, I think they want to be remembered, not for their immense wealth, but for the community they created. That is why tie idea of a solar village is a possibility.

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2014475)

Tell me how the ocean can be higher in the Atlantic and the other oceans aren't. Approximately 71% of the world is covered by water. All these oceans are connected to each other, so if one rises so will the rest. If 50 people go into a swimming pool at one end does the water not rise equally at the other end?
That 97% of all scientists is total BS, it is an invented number. There is no way you are going to get 97% of any group to agree on anything.

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2014552)

It has been proven that Greta Thunberg is making a real difference to climate change.
Every time she comes on the TV approximately 1 million people switch it off.

Originally Posted by zendog3 (Post 2013914)

This year we have experienced stronger storms, more frequent floods, droughts, forest fires, rising seas, melting glaciers, etc. Most people will agree that global warming, caused by the release of carbon dioxide into the air, is a primary driver of catastrophic weather events that will seriously impact the quality of life our children and grandchildren will inherit from us. The Villages is uniquely positioned to lead the nation in remediating the harmful effects of ongoing carbon dioxide pollution.

It would be a source of pride for all Villagers if the developer of The Villages, the preeminent builder in central Florida, and an enormously profitable business, would announce one of its forthcoming villages would be a “Solar Village.” Every house and public building in the solar village could be partially solar-powered.

As it has led in planned community development, The Villages can lead the nation in sustainable community development.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2014569)

I love Greta. She IS the future and we will be "blowing in the wind".

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2013941)

Please tell me that is a tongue in cheek joke, please. No one, perhaps with the exception of Al Gore, should believe any of this "global warming" garbage that is being shoved down our throats, although PT Barnum was right when he said that there is one born every minute. I have explained at least a dozen times that we have been in an ice age for 4+ million years with cyclical periods of glaciation and thaws (and therefore periods of warming and cooling). We have been through both the warming and cooling limbs of this cycle at least 2 dozen times in that period and 2 things are true-----
1) we are still here
2) It HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SUV'S OR ANY OTHER ACTIVITY OF MAN

Our kids and grandkids?????? Not likely, although our descendants in about 15,000 years will live at the peak of the warming cycle and our coastal cities will be under 100 feet of water. But don't break out the sunscreen and swim trunks just yet, because 30,000 years after that, NY City will again be under 2 miles of ice.

But, if anyone doesn't understand the simple science behind paleoclimatology, then by all means let's spend 100 trillion dollars over the next 40 years to combat "global warming" What a joke!

PS: This is not to denigrate solar power---it is a good thing and there are plenty of reasons to utilize it. However "global warming" is NOT one of them

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2013941)

Please tell me that is a tongue in cheek joke, please. No one, perhaps with the exception of Al Gore, should believe any of this "global warming" garbage that is being shoved down our throats, although PT Barnum was right when he said that there is one born every minute. I have explained at least a dozen times that we have been in an ice age for 4+ million years with cyclical periods of glaciation and thaws (and therefore periods of warming and cooling). We have been through both the warming and cooling limbs of this cycle at least 2 dozen times in that period and 2 things are true-----
1) we are still here
2) It HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SUV'S OR ANY OTHER ACTIVITY OF MAN

Our kids and grandkids?????? Not likely, although our descendants in about 15,000 years will live at the peak of the warming cycle and our coastal cities will be under 100 feet of water. But don't break out the sunscreen and swim trunks just yet, because 30,000 years after that, NY City will again be under 2 miles of ice.

But, if anyone doesn't understand the simple science behind paleoclimatology, then by all means let's spend 100 trillion dollars over the next 40 years to combat "global warming" What a joke!

PS: This is not to denigrate solar power---it is a good thing and there are plenty of reasons to utilize it. However "global warming" is NOT one of them

Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2014711)

Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

the above link cites the following organizations as supporting the claim that the climate is warming, and that human activities are a major, if not THE major drivers:
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Chemical Society
American Geophysical Union
American Meteorological Society
American Physical (Physics) Society
The Geological Society of America

So what is it that makes you so sure your science is more accurate and reliable than the science of these organizations ?

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2014717)

Common sense

Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2014711)

Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

the above link cites the following organizations as supporting the claim that the climate is warming, and that human activities are a major, if not THE major drivers:
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Chemical Society
American Geophysical Union
American Meteorological Society
American Physical (Physics) Society
The Geological Society of America

So what is it that makes you so sure your science is more accurate and reliable than the science of these organizations ?

Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2014711)

Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

the above link cites the following organizations as supporting the claim that the climate is warming, and that human activities are a major, if not THE major drivers:
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Chemical Society
American Geophysical Union
American Meteorological Society
American Physical (Physics) Society
The Geological Society of America

So what is it that makes you so sure your science is more accurate and reliable than the science of these organizations ?

Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2014734)

Wow. That is a really weak answer. If that's all you got, you got nothing, especially not common sense.

You may as well have said "because I say so".

Originally Posted by Win1894 (Post 2014180)

The premise that solar is the savior of the planet is irritatingly ignorant. Do the physics. It's not green and it's not renewable. You've been sold a bill of goods. First, where do you think most PV cells come from - China. Second, what are you going to do for power when the sun don't shine or at night? Batteries you say - not possible. The battery capacity would have to be so massive it would shift the Earth's orbit.

UMMMM, where would this extra weight come from if it's not already on/in the earth...
:boom::popcorn::popcorn:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2014742)

Easy. I'm not taking grant money from a federal government that clearly has a political agenda to purport, and I'm citing pure paleoclimatology and experts who are not supported by the government as well. Try reading the rather simplistic summary by ABC news (hardly a conservative media outlet) that I posted a link to a page or two back.

Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 2014799)

Hmmmm....Sounds so similar to those who question the validity of the Covid vaccine and Dr. F. Interesting isn't it, how some folks can apply reasoning and logic in one area of science, but that same reasoning and logic cannot be applied to another area of science. It's all about whatever agenda promotes certain beliefs.

Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2014711)

Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

the above link cites the following organizations as supporting the claim that the climate is warming, and that human activities are a major, if not THE major drivers:
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Chemical Society
American Geophysical Union
American Meteorological Society
American Physical (Physics) Society
The Geological Society of America

So what is it that makes you so sure your science is more accurate and reliable than the science of these organizations ?

Originally Posted by The Caretaker (Post 2014497)

Maybe California would be a better place for you to retire.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2014825)

Big FAT Amen on that post. That IS a be-all and end-all FINALIZATION about these misguided, strange, science-denying posts that the science-deniers are using to PRETEND that humans do NOT affect Earth's climate. They are figuratively urinating on their own mother - Mother Earth!!!!! What a pathetic human thing to DO! And they are LOUD and PROUD about their misinformation. I believe that their motivation is to RATIONALIZE the raping of the US's GREEN plains and forests and waters for personal greed and profits. And to rationalize that they are NOT terrible people (monsters really) passing a dead US and planet on to their great-grandchildren. And show off your ignorance by "HATING-ON" Greta Thunberg! This issue has been OFFICIALLY answered to perfection and certitude by this post! Further debate by the anti-global warming effects by humans is rendered null and void - moot, and FUTILE!!!!!!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2014834)

I think now that I will pick France. High taxes for the wealthy (that can afford them) and LOW taxes for the real people, the lower and middle class. (yes, they STILL have a middle class, unlike the US of the 1%). France has Universal Health Care, good pre-schools, good maturity and paternity leave, good wine and better restaurants than the US, healthier foods, they play great soccer, and they have hot babes and more nude beaches.
.....See yah, I am packing up as we speak!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2014561)

More money is the key to MORE POWER. Was Bezos satisfied, was the Kock Bros satisfied, was Jack Welsh, what about S. Adelson? Power, power, and more power!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2014842)

Can someone please post another country's (other than the USA) scientific view of climate change and how many trillions of dollars they plan to spend to save the planet?

Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2014734)

Wow. That is a really weak answer. If that's all you got, you got nothing, especially not common sense.

You may as well have said "because I say so".

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2014842)

Can someone please post another country's (other than the USA) scientific view of climate change and how many trillions of dollars they plan to spend to save the planet?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2014742)

Easy. I'm not taking grant money from a federal government that clearly has a political agenda to purport, and I'm citing pure paleoclimatology and experts who are not supported by the government as well. Try reading the rather simplistic summary by ABC news (hardly a conservative media outlet) that I posted a link to a page or two back.

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2014744)

I do have common sense. It tells me that, if the planet needs to be saved, it needs to be a global initiative. But, all of the organizations you cited have "America" in their name. Our country only represents about 5 percent of the planet's population. So, where do the rest of the countries stand on the issue?