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"Never try to teach a pig how to dance. The pig will never learn how to dance. You just irritate the pig!"
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While we are on the subject of live stock. My grandmother said;
You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
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Crowds might have been a factor if not for the way the access to amenities is controlled the AAC, a genius move by the Morse Family that allows fair access to amenities for 3-4 month snowbirds. IN other over55 communities, full time residents devise ways of controlling the Amenities by forming clubs, teams etc that monopolize the amenities, in many cases denying access to the snowbirds. This us nit permitted in The Villages. It is also interesting that it is the snowbirds buying homes during the downturn that kept the decline in home Prices, way below other areas if the country and that is because they have equal access to the amenities and did not have to sell their home in a depressed market to buy home on The Villages. BTW, it is a myth to suggest that Snowbirds will stop being snowbirds. Most of them are already retired and want to keep two homes. BTW snowbirds do not think it is crowded here even in the so called high season. The more people, the merrier.
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Missing the point of the original post
I am not saying it isn't great here. I am not attaching your lovely community. I am not saying that the demand to come here is not going to continue.
I was asking if people thought that the speculators were artificially causing the prices to hike above what demand would normally support. I am a number cruncher, when I started putting the listings of pre-owned in a spreadsheet in order to determine patterns I noticed a considerable number of listings that had been purchased within the last 24 months that were for sale listed at 30 to 50 thousand (or more)above the purchase price recorded in the county records. Most people do not buy a place and then resell in a year or two especially if they rented it out in the interim and I recognized some from my rental search (I have over 300 rentals in a spreadsheet). I am also not referring to those on my list that were purchased in 2005-2008 and are listed at 75 to 100 thousand over what they paid (also a huge hike but not the point) and are likely to have made improvements. I by the way subtract the bond from the price listed when it shows bond pd as to be comparing apples to apples none of what I consider may be speculator listings on my list pd off the bond unless it already was. Example from the paper today: 2959 DUKE TER Sanibel purchased Dec 2012 for $209,699 now listed for $299,000 selling turnkey but was purchased as a model furnished. Listed just after the 1 year villages prohibition on resales for profit. ------2923 Braddy Ct-Sanibel - Sold nov 2012 $465,700 now listed mls $648,500 has added a pool and birdcage. |
I have not looked into home prices in TV or how much they have increased.
But here are a few general observations: 1) Unless I intend to sell, property value increases just cost me money.... higher taxes, higher insurance costs, possibly higher fees. 2) Prices tend to reach equilibrium whether it is a bubble popping or fewer buyers show up that are willing to pay elevated prices. 3) There are substitutes! Always!!!! 4) If home prices are rising quickly and I felt like I was trapped with a second home over the last several years... I would be looking to unload it soon! |
Is there a bubble growing within the bubble? Who knows, but RE prices have been rising in many desirable locations around the country.
A perceived approaching build out may feed a buy now or lose mentality to prospective purchasers. My concern is more about how efficiently and economically things will be run after the buildout! The Morses have done an incredible job at developing and managing the infrastructure at seemingly low cost. "Real" governments do not run as efficiently as a well run private enterprise. |
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Some of my friends who have houses on sale tell me that sales have slowed down and their houses are on the market for a few months. Perhaps it is because the price went too high in 2013. Pre-owned home price depends on what new homes are selling by the developers. Will be curious to find out what kind of prices will be put on spec. homes east of 466A in Fruitland Park when they build on the newest land acquisition. It is also true that many of my friends up north are getting tired of what's happening with current snow storms. It was 2010 snow storm in North East when we said, let's get something in TV. Also, curious to know when the last of the Boomers are retiring. As you know we are a community of 100M to max 120M. Yes, I know unless Morse family decides to think otherwise. Will we go the way of Del Webb? Who knows.
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