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tomwed 08-26-2015 08:20 AM

What would be interesting is to watch an intersection and count the vehicles that come to a complete stop when there is no cross traffic in plane view. In effect treating a stop sign like a yield sign. If there is traffic or another vehicle that wouldn't get counted.

My guess would be that only 10% of all vehicles come to a complete stop even when there is no cross traffic. I'll set up a chart.
.....car cart bike business truck
1]
2]
3-50]

I'll put a Y if they yield and an S if they stop.

I'll go to the intersection of Hendley and McLin later on. If I change my mind, I'll delete this.

njbchbum 08-26-2015 08:31 AM

I figure that since the traffic indicator is red with a white STOP - it means stop; and that if it meant ROLL- it would be painted accordingly!

TheVillageChicken 08-26-2015 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1104644)
What would be interesting is to watch an intersection and count the vehicles that come to a complete stop when there is no cross traffic in plane view. In effect treating a stop sign like a yield sign. If there is traffic or another vehicle that wouldn't get counted.

My guess would be that only 10% of all vehicles come to a complete stop even when there is no cross traffic. I'll set up a table.
.....car cart bike business truck
1]
2]
3-50]

I'll put a Y if they yield and an S if they stop.

I'll go to the intersection of Hendley and McLin later on. If I change my mind, I'll delete this.

I suggest you expand your survey to include gender. I predict cyclists, cigar smokers and people with Patriots decals/plates will comprise a large percentage of the scofflaws. Might be interesting to conduct a second study just after closing time at the saloons.

outlaw 08-26-2015 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1104629)
If it wasn't dangerous to "roll" through a stop sign then they would have put a yield sign there instead of a stop sign. And by the way, if the yield sign is red, then the law says you must come to a stop if there is traffic coming.

So then, I guess you agreed with New York City when they banned large soda drinks, because apparently they are "dangerous" to your health, or they wouldn't have banned them. There are many, many, many neighborhood intersections where a yield sign would be just fine. But some municipal agent, following the one size fits all cookie cutter safety policy, decided to place a stop sign instead.
I don't think I have ever seen a red yield sign.

tomwed 08-26-2015 09:26 AM

What are your gender predictions? I may do gender but I don't think the numbers will be different.

If nobody is patrolling and no cars are coming--nobody but a few TOTV people are stopping. That's my prediction.

outlaw 08-26-2015 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1104680)
What are your gender predictions? I may do gender but I don't think the numbers will be different.

If nobody is patrolling and no cars are coming--nobody but a few TOTV people are stopping. That's my prediction.

I would say most women stop (women tend to be more safety conscious than men; not that stopping is appreciably safer than rolling thru). But I have had more close calls with women cart drivers that speed around curves, passing other carts, in very dangerous scenarios.
I think your prediction is right on. Only the absolute most anal acting people stop at all intersections on the MMP. I don't believe those that claim they never go over the speed limit, either. They are either not paying attention to their speed, or they are lieing.

biker1 08-26-2015 09:49 AM

I would appreciate not being lumped into the same group as cigar smokers and people with Patriots decals/plates ;-). I consider myself to be a more highly evolved form of scofflaw ;-)

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Originally Posted by TheVillageChicken (Post 1104651)
I suggest you expand your survey to include gender. I predict cyclists, cigar smokers and people with Patriots decals/plates will comprise a large percentage of the scofflaws. Might be interesting to conduct a second study just after closing time at the saloons.


ajbrown 08-26-2015 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1104644)
What would be interesting is to watch an intersection and count the vehicles that come to a complete stop when there is no cross traffic in plane view. In effect treating a stop sign like a yield sign. If there is traffic or another vehicle that wouldn't get counted.

My guess would be that only 10% of all vehicles come to a complete stop even when there is no cross traffic. I'll set up a chart.
.....car cart bike business truck
1]
2]
3-50]

I'll put a Y if they yield and an S if they stop.

I'll go to the intersection of Hendley and McLin later on. If I change my mind, I'll delete this.

10% for #1? I will take the under on that one. If you find any that actually come to a complete stop as defined by law, it is likely they forgot where they were going or are texting :1rotfl:

Matzy 08-26-2015 10:38 AM

Ha, I am one of these guys which always comes to a complete STOP as defined by law, wait 2-3 seconds and then going on driving.
One time I did it and the driver behind me was very impatient and started honking. Bad situation because he didn't see the car behind him: A police car, which pulled him over right away.

tomwed 08-26-2015 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1104644)
What would be interesting is to watch an intersection and count the vehicles that come to a complete stop when there is no cross traffic in plane view. In effect treating a stop sign like a yield sign. If there is traffic or another vehicle that wouldn't get counted.

My guess would be that only 10% of all vehicles come to a complete stop even when there is no cross traffic. I'll set up a chart.
.....car cart bike business truck
1]
2]
3-50]

I'll put a Y if they yield and an S if they stop.

I'll go to the intersection of Hendley and McLin later on. If I change my mind, I'll delete this.

I just got back from my survey. I only observed 35 vehicles before I left. It didn't take too long but I couldn't count any vehicle that came to a stop because there was cross traffic or another vehicle also crossing. There were many golf carts but they ran into traffic one way or the other.

Mostly men were driving but a few cars have tinted windows so I can't comment on men or women.

Only 1 car stopped and waited a a couple of seconds and the driver was female, below average in height and looked like she could have lived here for a while. There was only 2 golf carts and 1 bike. They yielded. As did the 25 cars and 6 trucks.

I predicted more people stopped at stop signs. There were no close calls and no one was the least bit excited that I could see.

outlaw 08-26-2015 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1104720)
I just got back from my survey. I only observed 35 vehicles before I left. It didn't take too long but I couldn't count any vehicle that came to a stop because there was cross traffic or another vehicle also crossing. There were many golf carts but they ran into traffic one way or the other.

Mostly men were driving but a few cars have tinted windows so I can't comment on men or women.

Only 1 car stopped and waited a a couple of seconds and the driver was female, below average in height and looked like she could have lived here for a while. There was only 2 golf carts and 1 bike. They yielded. As did the 25 cars and 6 trucks.

I predicted more people stopped at stop signs. There were no close calls and no one was the least bit excited that I could see.

That's a Florida stop.

outlaw 08-26-2015 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Matzy (Post 1104708)
Ha, I am one of these guys which always comes to a complete STOP as defined by law, wait 2-3 seconds and then going on driving.
One time I did it and the driver behind me was very impatient and started honking. Bad situation because he didn't see the car behind him: A police car, which pulled him over right away.

Maybe the guy thought you fell asleep?

TheVillageChicken 08-26-2015 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1104680)
What are your gender predictions? I may do gender but I don't think the numbers will be different.

If nobody is patrolling and no cars are coming--nobody but a few TOTV people are stopping. That's my prediction.

Gender...... overwhelmingly a male issue except


Close to 50/50 due to age related inattentiveness, having a dog or significant other as a passenger, or being Episcopalian.

MDLNB 08-26-2015 01:59 PM

I stop at all stop signs, even if in a hurry. However, I do speed in my golf cart. I am sure it will do 22-23mph on level ground. I'm not anal, just a former COP that has seen way too many bad accidents due to reckless operation and violating stop signs and traffic lights. I don't consider a bit of speeding on a highway to be reckless, but speeding on 10mph neighborhood streets when seniors are walking their dogs, I consider dangerous.

lanemb 08-26-2015 05:16 PM

I think the whole point is to drive safely. A rolling stop or full stop are both dangerous if you really aren't paying attention. Being in a hurry is always a recipe for disaster.

In my early years I saw on two different occasions children get hit by a car in a neighborhood where the speed was 25. One did not live. It left an impression on me where I can't drive a neighborhood without thinking about it. Thus I drive slowly in neighborhoods and I don't cut through them to save a few minutes. At this point in our lives we are a lot like kids again. I am seldom in a hurry anymore. I feel for those who are.


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