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Gulfcoast 11-25-2020 11:07 AM
Why would anyone wanting to live in a nanny state move to Florida of all places? Boggles the mind. Have you not heard - This is the land of Florida Man

PugMom 11-25-2020 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1865544)
From the Florida Covid Dashboard, yesterday.

New Cases Nov 24: Lake County-57, Marion County-136, Sumter County-33

Only a small portion of The Villages lies in Lake County and it includes the cities of Leesburg and Tavares. The same can be said for Marion county which include Ocala. Most of The Villages lies in Sumter County and the Federal Prison is also in Sumter County.

I would assume that the majority of these cases are in the largest cities and the prison. I would also think that only a small number of those 226 cases were in The Villages.

I have a friend whose wife tested positive. He also got test and was positive. They went back a few days later to be retested and were both negative. Were their positive results counted as new cases?
this is why we see different numbers & reports, which leads to different attitudes in residents absorbing the info. it's getting tougher & tougher to find any truth in reports, & the poster who wrote about yellow journalism hit it out of the park. people killed in auto crashes have covid on their death certificates. ???

Justus 11-25-2020 11:14 AM
:ohdear:
 
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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1864863)
If we could at least restrict new cases to those that do not wear masks. I understand they have the right to believe as the see fit and it is their right to pass on.
The recently released Danish study clearly says Masks are ineffective. Beyond that, the Great Barrington Declaration, despite MSM efforts to deny it, shows Covid as largely a hoax. Give it a rest!

PugMom 11-25-2020 11:15 AM
yes, Gulfcoast--it's why we fled the northeast --it was Florida or bust

Pairadocs 11-25-2020 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by kaydee (Post 1864859)
If some people don’t start doing something different those numbers are going to sky rocket.
Any ideas on what more we can do ? People are eating outdoors, most clubs are not meeting or doing "zoom" meetings, lots of walking and biking on my neighborhood, everyone is FAR from others, I've yet to see a golf foursome that was not FOUR different carts (except a few couples of course), shopped in Publix, Winn Dixie, and Adi's and have yet to see any individuals without masks (which I have substantial doubts about as "protection" but I certainly comply, and from what I see daily so do most people).

Kim Fowler 11-25-2020 11:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1865544)
From the Florida Covid Dashboard, yesterday.

New Cases Nov 24: Lake County-57, Marion County-136, Sumter County-33

Only a small portion of The Villages lies in Lake County and it includes the cities of Leesburg and Tavares. The same can be said for Marion county which include Ocala. Most of The Villages lies in Sumter County and the Federal Prison is also in Sumter County.

I would assume that the majority of these cases are in the largest cities and the prison. I would also think that only a small number of those 226 cases were in The Villages.

I have a friend whose wife tested positive. He also got test and was positive. They went back a few days later to be retested and were both negative. Were their positive results counted as new cases?
In addition to the countywide new cases on the dashboard, the daily “state report” on the FLDH COVID website, just below the dashboard, lists total cases to date in cities within each county. It doesn’t break out new cases each day like the county dashboard does, so you have to compare the prior and current day reports to figure the new day’s cases in each community.

Comparing Monday’s and Tuesday’s reports, page 9 of the state reports show that 17 of yesterday’s 33 Sumter cases were within The Villages. One in Marion County was in TV, and none in Lake. I write down the three TV numbers each day to make the day-to-day comparisons, or use TV-News article numbers.

The recent 157-case jump in TV exceeded the counties’ new cases those two days, so I’m assuming there was a “test data dump” from a lab in TV. There was a huge statewide data dump several months ago from one lab that spiked the total FL numbers by several thousand cases one day.

Pairadocs 11-25-2020 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1864854)
There seems to be a recent spike in COVID cases. It appears there are approx. 100 new cases in 2 days in The Villages Sumter County. YIKES!!!
Does anyone plan to do anything differently based on these new numbers??
No really ! Not sure what more there is to do ? I can't make myself disinfect my mail and spray all groceries with Lysol because my formal education is not medical, but, my college level science lab experiences tell me this is NOT the way this is spread, but, I don't know any more than the rest, including our so called "disease experts". Other than those things, and wearing gloves as well as a mask all the time... I don't know what else I personally can do, and most people seem to take what precautions they can ! Should we STOP swimming ? How can it spread in chlorinated water ? Who knows ? Now in L.A. you can't eat indoors OR outdoors ! Yet, doubt that will do any good, someday we "may" find out how this really spreads, all guessing. Like the black death of the middle ages.... thought to ONLY come on the evening breezes and the solution was to stuff openings under the door at night only so it could not enter. Sort of like restaurants and bars closing at 8 p.m. since the virus can only infect people after 8 p.m., or only infect people at a table 5 feet away, but a table 6 feet is safe ? I think one day people will read about all this and laugh when they find out the REAL was it is spread ! ?

Pairadocs 11-25-2020 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1865558)
Thank you Chicken Little. If you don't like the way this State is being run then leave. As a result of these idiotic mandates more people are dying from suicide and drug overdose. Many people have been economically destroyed because of the shut downs. And after all of their genius plans and draconian rules, the virus is still spreading.

I for one appreciate living in a State where there is no government nanny telling me what I can or can't do. Open up the States and using their common sense and personal risk tolerance, let the people decide what risk they want to take.
"Chicken Little is right" ! Just what we need, more of the chicken little types, what in the world has this virus done to the MINDS of other wise sane people ! Of course we should always be aware of our precious liberty and our fragile constitution of our unique democratic republic being chipped away a word at a time.... THAT is the real threat here, China and other rival nations could even be aware of that ? There's a thought ?

Pairadocs 11-25-2020 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Goldwingnut (Post 1864952)
If you are reading information from that other website you are falling for their clickbait. Do a Google search for "Florida covid dashboard" and look at the website from arcgis.com. The data is broken down in great detail. Sumter county and the zip codes associated with The Villages are doing very well as compared to the rest of the state. Yes, there are positive cases, this has become just a fact of life these days, but one needs to look at things like the number of tests performed, positivity rate, death rate, etc. to get the entire picture. I'm not saying that there isn't a problem or concern with covid19 and that we all should not be being cautions and not take risks, it just not as bad as that other site wants to make it sound. Be cautions, take what precautions you feel you need for yourself, there is a risk and it is real, but the sky is not falling.

I studied journalism for 4 years and one of the topics we regularly discussed in every class was journalistic integrity (pretty much a non-existent concept these days), bias, sensationalism, and of course yellow journalism (Yellow journalism - Wikipedia). This was 40 years ago and most of this discussion was referring to the supermarket tabloids of the day like the National Enquirer and the like. The tabloids have moved from the printed page.

Today of course, we have the internet, and everything is fair game, you can say what you want and twist facts or pseudo facts to reflect whatever opinion you want. In this case, if you "hate The Villages", "hate the developer", "hate Donald Trump", want to hear how anything can be turned negative against the afore mentioned, or are maybe just a bored and miserable person, that other site may be the one for you. If your a fan of that site, I'd also recommend the website Dihydrogen Monoxide Research Division - dihydrogen monoxide info .
Ah, there is hope, someone who actually does the research, tells the truth (especially about the profound changes in journalism and schools of journalism at many universities), and still has the ability to read past the "click bait" headlines... I do the same ! Old research and analysis skills don't just magically disappear, along with brain cells, at retirement ! Nice to read intelligent posts from time to time.

Koapaka 11-25-2020 11:45 AM
At our age, and with the unknowns of this (I believe) biological warfare that has been released on the world by China.....I would much rather DIE living than to live dying. It is NOT the number of days you remain, but those that count and make your time here special while on this big, blue marble that are important.

jimjamuser 11-25-2020 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1864863)
If we could at least restrict new cases to those that do not wear masks. I understand they have the right to believe as the see fit and it is their right to pass on.
Man's inhumanity to man.........will continue unabated in TV Land for the near future. Nationwide, the mortality rate per positive cases is between 1.5 and 2 %. It would take people in TV Land to be falling dead like the "leaves in the trees" before the stubborn TV Landers would lower their "individual freedom" standards. We have been the victims of a great CON-JOB and the propaganda of non-compliance with Medical Health standards for mask-wearing and staying away from people. We are potentially TOAST. And the "white horse of vaccine" riding in to save everyone has not yet even been saddled up! Live long and prosper - the US stock market apparently liked someone and some (?) magic bullet yesterday.

jimjamuser 11-25-2020 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1865054)
I t may just be the covid-19 weariness is contributing to a by default acceptance of the increasing rates.
Rates are up...deaths declining-not increasing....

We have remained conservatively careful for 9 months. We will continue to do so waiting for the vaccine.
We are hoping by next summer this will all be a bad memory!!
Deaths nationwide are approaching 2% of positive cases. I believe that is an increase. TV Land has somehow (?) avoided this increase. Considering the older demographics - it is impressive - I hope it holds!

graciegirl 11-25-2020 12:05 PM
I was interested to see if the gathering last month for the president would increase the cases. It doesn't appear to have done so. There have been seven deaths from Covid in Sumter County since that event.

I am quarantining until I receive the vaccine like many, many people. I choose science over any kind of public advice in a situation like this. I wish that the chief executive would have listened to ME. ;)

Anyway. Here are today's figures. I think it was 85 deaths when Mr. Trump came here to The Villages.

Sumter County cases
Updated Nov 25 at 11:44 AM local
Confirmed
3,341
+33 new cases.
Deaths
92

How long have YOU all heard is the incubation period. I think it is five to fourteen days?

jimjamuser 11-25-2020 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bd20166 (Post 1865525)
we have herd immunity
Not possible without a vaccine for EVERYONE! Sweden gave up on this concept months ago. Why does it stay in the US vernacular ?????

jimjamuser 11-25-2020 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1865558)
Thank you Chicken Little. If you don't like the way this State is being run then leave. As a result of these idiotic mandates more people are dying from suicide and drug overdose. Many people have been economically destroyed because of the shut downs. And after all of their genius plans and draconian rules, the virus is still spreading.

I for one appreciate living in a State where there is no government nanny telling me what I can or can't do. Open up the States and using their common sense and personal risk tolerance, let the people decide what risk they want to take.
Advice and attitudes similar have lead to the US being about 5% of the world's population, but having 19% of the deaths. North Dakota having one of the highest mortality rates in the world. We have bought into a CON-JOB!

Altavia 11-25-2020 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1865688)
I was interested to see if the gathering last month for the president would increase the cases. It doesn't appear to have done so. There have been seven deaths from Covid in Sumter County since that event.

I am quarantining until I receive the vaccine like many, many people. I choose science over any kind of public advice in a situation like this. I wish that the chief executive would have listened to ME. ;)

Anyway. Here are today's figures. I think it was 85 deaths when Mr. Trump came here to The Villages.

Sumter County cases
Updated Nov 25 at 11:44 AM local
Confirmed
3,341
+33 new cases.
Deaths
92

How long have YOU all heard is the incubation period. I think it is five to fourteen days?
Good observation. And we have seen no spike as other outside activities have resumed.

The likelyhood of getting infected outdoors is very low. Fresh air and the wind rapidly dilutes the virus to low levels.

The general guideline is it take at least 15 min exposure at some minimum viral innoculum level.

This is why the highest risk is interior spaces with recirculating air allowing the virus to build to continuously infectious levels. And why it spiked when cold air drove people inside.

We're lucky being able to be outside and keep our windows open.

Velvet 11-25-2020 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1865697)
Not possible without a vaccine for EVERYONE! Sweden gave up on this concept months ago. Why does it stay in the US vernacular ?????
The doctors in Sweden are fed up. They are not being listened to. I wouldn’t be surprised if they go on strike and tell the government decision makers: “You go ahead and take care of the Covid patients yourselves.”

John41 11-25-2020 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 1865657)
No really ! Not sure what more there is to do ? I can't make myself disinfect my mail and spray all groceries with Lysol because my formal education is not medical, but, my college level science lab experiences tell me this is NOT the way this is spread, but, I don't know any more than the rest, including our so called "disease experts". Other than those things, and wearing gloves as well as a mask all the time... I don't know what else I personally can do, and most people seem to take what precautions they can ! Should we STOP swimming ? How can it spread in chlorinated water ? Who knows ? Now in L.A. you can't eat indoors OR outdoors ! Yet, doubt that will do any good, someday we "may" find out how this really spreads, all guessing. Like the black death of the middle ages.... thought to ONLY come on the evening breezes and the solution was to stuff openings under the door at night only so it could not enter. Sort of like restaurants and bars closing at 8 p.m. since the virus can only infect people after 8 p.m., or only infect people at a table 5 feet away, but a table 6 feet is safe ? I think one day people will read about all this and laugh when they find out the REAL was it is spread ! ?
reminds me of the Woody Allen movie where medical experts finally find out greasy cheeseburgers are good for you.

jimjamuser 11-25-2020 12:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Justus (Post 1865644)
The recently released Danish study clearly says Masks are ineffective. Beyond that, the Great Barrington Declaration, despite MSM efforts to deny it, shows Covid as largely a hoax. Give it a rest!
If COVID is a hoax, then something else must be killing all those people in North Dakota. And also, ALL the hospitals in the country must be LYING about their OVERWHELMED problems. It must take a HUGE CONSPIRACY to fake all those hospital reports. Not to mention ALL the patients that I see with hoses in their throats. They must ALL be actors. And ALL those nurses crying and complaining that I SEE on my TV. Am I hallucinating?????

donassaid 11-25-2020 02:58 PM
Really? 84% of those who have tested positive wore a mask most of the time if not all the time. I'll take my chances being part of the 16% who are not breathing in their own carbon dioxide and destroying their own immune system. But keep on drinking the koolaid and wearing your mask everywhere. That is certainly your option. Just quit referring to those of us with common sense who don't wear one as ignorant and selfish.

mneumann02 11-25-2020 04:07 PM
You Are So Right
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Justus (Post 1865644)
The recently released Danish study clearly says Masks are ineffective. Beyond that, the Great Barrington Declaration, despite MSM efforts to deny it, shows Covid as largely a hoax. Give it a rest!
You are so right. Covid is a hoax. The world is flat. The holocaust did not happen. Aliens have abducted you. And Elvis is alive and living in the basement of the White House. Since Covid is a hoax, may I suggest all the deniers volunteer at hospitals with Covid patients. You won't have to wear masks..

graciegirl 11-25-2020 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1865697)
Not possible without a vaccine for EVERYONE! Sweden gave up on this concept months ago. Why does it stay in the US vernacular ?????
Dr. Fauci seems to think that we could achieve "herd immunity" with 70% of the population vaccinated.

Also read this today on Reuters;

"The World Health Organization has referred to a 65-70% vaccine coverage in order to achieve herd immunity, Reuters reported."

Mrprez 11-25-2020 04:46 PM
Healthcare workers are masked up, gowned up and gloved up. Please explain the numbers in this article:

Over 90,000 health workers infected with COVID-19 worldwide: nurses group | Reuters

Swoop 11-25-2020 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrprez (Post 1865811)
Healthcare workers are masked up, gowned up and gloved up. Please explain the numbers in this article:

Over 90,000 health workers infected with COVID-19 worldwide: nurses group | Reuters
And they use N95 masks, not the crap that most people are wearing. Masks do not stop the virus.

Velvet 11-25-2020 05:51 PM
The conservative estimate is there are over 59,000,000 health workers in the world and 90,000 would make it about 1,525 per million. According to Worldometer number of Covid cases is 7,748 per million. So maybe PPE helps?

Mrprez 11-25-2020 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1865823)
The conservative estimate is there are over 59,000,000 health workers in the world and 90,000 would make it about 1,525 per million. According to Worldometer number of Covid cases is 7,748 per million. So maybe PPE helps?
I guess. Didn’t help those 90,000.

Swoop 11-25-2020 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1865823)
The conservative estimate is there are over 59,000,000 health workers in the world and 90,000 would make it about 1,525 per million. According to Worldometer number of Covid cases is 7,748 per million. So maybe PPE helps?
Actually your numbers are off: “The 90,000 estimate is based on information collected on 30 countries from national nursing associations, government figures and media reports. The ICN represents 130 national associations and more than 20 million registered nurses.”
That works out to roughly 4,090 per million... With the N95 masks...

donfey 11-25-2020 06:41 PM
numbers
 
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Originally Posted by kansasr (Post 1865041)
From the same Florida COVID 19 dashboard daily reports:
The Villages, Sumter on 11/22: 942
The VIllages, Sumter on 11/23: 1,042
In the same reports, The Villages, Marion went from 9 to 59 and The Villages, Lake 51 to 59.
Attachment 87068
Most of TV is in Sumter County. The numbers given are meaningless. Cases per 1000 population would tell a much different story.

Velvet 11-25-2020 06:41 PM
Don’t know what 30 different countries use as PPEs, but in New York the studies indicate that:

“New York City and its surrounding metro area have emerged as an epicenter of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) outbreak worldwide. A recent population survey1 for severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) antibodies among those in New York state shows a prevalence of 21.2% in New York City and 16.7% in Long Island. Across the US, up to 11% of reported COVID-19 cases were found to be in health care professionals....” JAMA intern med Aug 11, 2020

To me, Velvet, that seems to say that health care workers who work directly 12 to 16 hours a day with Covid patients have 1/2 the infection rate that we, walking around in our common everyday lives do.

donfey 11-25-2020 06:45 PM
Nope
 
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Originally Posted by kansasr (Post 1865301)
Today's report: Villages/Sumter +17, Villages/Marion +2
The numbers are meaningless withought context, as in cases per 1000 population.

donfey 11-25-2020 06:49 PM
more tests
 
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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1864854)
There seems to be a recent spike in COVID cases. It appears there are approx. 100 new cases in 2 days in The Villages Sumter County. YIKES!!!
Does anyone plan to do anything differently based on these new numbers??
More tests yield "more cases." If, God forbid, there is mass testing of intelligence, the number of idiots will increase, too.

Sorry - but it's just statistics...

coffeebean 11-25-2020 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 1865518)
No I don't. I haven't worn a mask or followed a guideline since this whole fiasco created by the media & so called experts began. I am in my late 60's and have been exposed to known persons with active COVID (as in sleeping next to my infected wife), never wore a mask, and never developed any symptoms.

COVID is only serious for a very small percentage of individuals with preexisting conditions in which the coronavirus is the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back.

Stop paying any attention to the news! "Misinformation is just as dangerous as the disease is right now," says Erie News Now Contributor, Dr. Becky Dawson. "I think we are spreading misinformation as quickly as we are spreading the disease."
Seriously? Sleeping next to your infected wife? My eyes are bleeding just reading those words. You are part of the problem we have here in America. You very well may have been an asymptomatic carrier of the virus and who knows how many people you may have passed the virus to.

Just one question......did you quarantine yourself the the required amount of time when you knew you were in close contact with an infected individual?

coffeebean 11-25-2020 07:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1865558)
Thank you Chicken Little. If you don't like the way this State is being run then leave. As a result of these idiotic mandates more people are dying from suicide and drug overdose. Many people have been economically destroyed because of the shut downs. And after all of their genius plans and draconian rules, the virus is still spreading.

I for one appreciate living in a State where there is no government nanny telling me what I can or can't do. Open up the States and using their common sense and personal risk tolerance, let the people decide what risk they want to take.
Just wondering how these modern day folks would have fared during WWII with all the sacrifices the American people made for their country.

coffeebean 11-25-2020 07:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1865558)
Thank you Chicken Little. If you don't like the way this State is being run then leave. As a result of these idiotic mandates more people are dying from suicide and drug overdose. Many people have been economically destroyed because of the shut downs. And after all of their genius plans and draconian rules, the virus is still spreading.

I for one appreciate living in a State where there is no government nanny telling me what I can or can't do. Open up the States and using their common sense and personal risk tolerance, let the people decide what risk they want to take.
The measures needed to slow the spread of the virus have nothing to do with an individual's personal risk. The risk is not only to the individual but to everyone around the individual. Society is at risk when one person decides not to follow CDC guidelines. The economy is at risk when an individual refuses to abide by guidelines. Those folks must realize it is not all about them and their individual rights. It is about what is best for the community on a local level and the country on a broader scale.

Take a look at what is happening in large cities in our country. Is it sinking in yet? Hospital beds are being set up in remote locations to extend bed capacity. This is no joke. That is happening in our United States. There is a big picture to all of this......not you individual risk is at stake here.

Swoop 11-25-2020 08:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1865706)
The doctors in Sweden are fed up. They are not being listened to. I wouldn’t be surprised if they go on strike and tell the government decision makers: “You go ahead and take care of the Covid patients yourselves.”
Have you actually looked at the number of Covid deaths in Sweden?

Velvet 11-25-2020 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1865901)
Have you actually looked at the number of Covid deaths in Sweden?
10 to 20 times the death of the neighbors... from a completely preventable disease. If that was death from guns would we be putting those responsible in jail?

Swoop 11-25-2020 10:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1865905)
10 to 20 times the death of the neighbors... from a completely preventable disease. If that was death from guns would we be putting those responsible in jail?
The death ratio to population from Covid in Sweden is .00064 and their curve has remained relatively flat after their initial outbreak.
“Completely preventable “ - really...

Velvet 11-25-2020 11:02 PM
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Yes, “completely preventable” is how health authorities describe Covid. There is no excuse for allowing these deaths to happen, if that was your mother, your brother, your child, would it matter to you what the national percentage is as you walk behind their casket?

Swoop 11-26-2020 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1865937)
Yes, “completely preventable” is how health authorities describe Covid. There is no excuse for allowing these deaths to happen, if that was your mother, your brother, your child, would it matter to you what the national percentage is as you walk behind their casket?
“Health authorities”? Really?!?
Who?

Velvet 11-26-2020 09:48 AM
You are right about the death rate it is less than before in Sweden but there is a lag and the Covid cases are higher than ever. I hope that the deaths will not follow. Covid has also long term effects; brain fog etc.

As far as completely preventable goes beside hearing it on news channels, it is also self evident. Study the virus. If one takes the right precautions, one doesn’t get it. That is why it was said that China did not contain it. They built a “wall” to protect themselves but not the world. The problem is that now the virus has spread to such an extent that one has to take drastic measures to stop getting Covid.

I hope you do not feel helpless about Covid, may you be safe.


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