That 5.9% claim means nothing and is only meant to panic people. Maybe 5.9% of the VERFIED infected die but the actual count of infected people is unknown which will dramatically lower the mortality rate. The only important statistic is the total mortality rate.

No masks is good healthy people don’t need masks

Source?

There four days ago for lunch. Sat on shaded patio , good food & service & ALL servers were wearing masks.

All of you complaining about servers not wearing masks and possibly putting you in jeopardy, have you thought about the servers??? You aren't wearing your mask when you order or eat your meal are you? You are putting the server in the same jeopardy as you claim they put in by them not wearing a mask. OK, OK I got it, you are more important than the servers.

Masks are not required and I'll only go to a restaurant and pay $50 for drinks and a meal if the employees are not wearing masks.

Based upon what source? A statement someone made at the barber shop that his brother-in-laws cousins ex-wife heard at the beauty shop this was false.

WHAT IS YOUR SOURCE FOR VERIFICATION?

TOTALLY agree. We've been out 3 times to restaurants the last 2 weeks, sitting inside, and if they don't follow guidelines ESPECIALLY masks - we're gone and would speak to the mgr.

Well, I classify it as arrogant and unfortunately, your arrogance will kill. This is a sad commentary posted on a holiday that remember those that protected others from harm as you promote action that could cause harm to others.

Keywords "AT THE ONSET" (despite the fact it was taken out of context) but he obviously LEARNED FROM THE SCIENCE and changed his mind.

Excellent point!

I find it hypocritical of people who have no issues dining at a restaurant, of course not wearing masks, yet demand the entire restaurant staff wear masks.

Will try eating out after phase 3 or later, don't want anything on my tombstone, to the tune of "here lies man who had to have a martini @ his favorite bar--he died from covid, not the martini"

Viva la Arnold Palmer ... love their outlook ...

I think that you would find that most of the people complaining about the irresponsible attitude of Arnold Palmer management do wear masks when they go to a restaurant, taking them off, course, while eating. No one claims that masks are 100% effective in stopping the spread. They clearly are effective in reducing it.

Not only that, we will never know the true mortality rate due to the people who were never tested and never needed hospitalization. Hundreds of thousands have had it and didn't know it.

How does that change the fact that the customer is jeopardizing the server's health when they take their mask off when they eat but have no concern for the server's health?

Does the name Mary Mallon ring a bell?
 

Mask or no mask? "I'm not sick so I don't need a mask." The debate will go on.
But, I wonder if the name "Mary Mallon" rings a bell? "Typhoid Mary" was an asymptomatic carrier that was responsible for many deaths although claiming she was not sick. She had to be forcibly quarantined, twice, for a total of 26 years.
I wonder just how many "Typhoid Mary's" there are running around with no clue or conscience.
I'm not hiding under my bed, but I will take reasonable precautions, as I see fit, in each situation I encounter and will adjust as information and understanding of this situation improves.
We all want this over, but it is not over yet.

Healthy people wear masks; that's what keeps them healthy!

Sorry, BF, but the mask doesn't keep YOU healthy. But it may keep those around you from getting the virus, IF you are indoors, and IF you are closer than 6 feet and IF you are coughing/sneezing or spitting your letter "P"'s, and IF you carry the virus in the first place, and IF you can spout out enough of an inoculum that once transferred can infect another person.
A lot of "IF"s. However I wear a mask indoors because 1) overall the use of masks decreases the spread of the virus---not on an individual basis, but when applied to a large population and 2) it makes others feel better.
BTW, you can wait for the viral threat to regress before you pay me the lobster YOU OWE ME!(for 4 years now):1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Don't be ridiculous. Nobody says masks are 100% effective. More importantly, when I have my mask off in a restaurant, the server is almost always more than 6' away from me.

Your point is correct but then you are making the point for keeping the restaurants closed which is NOT good. ;) The mask on the server protects him somewhat (better than nothing) from the diner and also protects the diner so it's a 75% savings and keeps the place, er, economy open or the other choice where everyone loses is just shut it down. Why have BOTH not wearing it and increase chances for both people of illness. Obviously you can't put food in your mouth with a mask on and you can't do business with diners eating with masks on but you can show concern for your customers (without who you wouldn't be opened) and wear a mask. Always err for the more positive outcome (one person with mask) rather then no one.

So bottom line, Yea, have it your way and have both not wear them. It's only "fair" that both people might just possibly get sick.

In response to the posters who brag about how they go to the Arnold Palmer restaurant (and other restaurants where the servers are maskless) and refuse to wear masks themselves:

While masks provide the wearer some degree of protection (depending on the type of mask), their main function is to minimize the chance that the wearer infects others. Thus, when you go to the Arnold Palmer restaurant, you are running a significant risk of getting infected from a maskless waiter, who circulates through the restaurant, coming in close contact with hundreds of people a day. You say that is your own business, and a lot of people would agree with you. They might even feel that, if you contract COVID-19 by foolishly patronizing such a restaurant, you got the comeuppance that you deserve.

However, when you go to Arnold Palmer's without a mask, don't you care about the servers and fellow patrons that YOU may be infecting and the other people that they may be reinfecting-- some of whom may well die as a result of your don't-give-a-damn -about-other-people attitude?

Have you ever heard of civic responsibility or just plain human decency?

Today a medical expert in a TV interview stated that IF only 60% of the people wore their masks, then CV would be controlled in ONLY 2 weeks. They said that is a "golden ticket" , but people are NOT reaching for it.

A medical expert, in a TV interview, stated that IF 60% of the people wore their masks, then in ONLY 2 weeks the CV would be controlled. That was called a "golden ticket", but people are NOT reaching for it.

The "medical experts" from W.H.O. told the world it was NOT spread with human to human contact...:ohdear:

66% of hospitalizations are from people who STAYED HOME!!!!

Yeah, and after learning more about the virus, the experts changed their minds. People with any degree of common sense do that.

It is too bad that more governors do not have the political courage to mandate a mask for everyone entering a restaurant or other area where people are in close contact with each other, and, at the same time, speeding up the rate at which businesses can reopen. It seems like we would have a real chance of both getting the disease under control and averting an economic depression.

100% of hospitalisations were from contact with a source of infection.

I'm not claiming masks have any percentage of safety, my point was the hypocrisy by those who were outraged a server didn't wear a mask when they don't wear one in the restaurant either.

Well another "expert" got his 15 seconds of fame. That is the most ridiculous, idiotic and unfounded statement so far in this panic.

I agree, that would be hypocrisy, but I doubt very much if anybody complaining about a maskless server would go to a restaurant without wearing a mask.

Responsible veterans have no choice. They follow orders.

So you're a Lawyer AND a Doctor?

78.9% of statistics are made-up.

enough already--- close --- suppose to be about Arnold Palmer ---Close Thread

Read post #80
If you would have read all posts which obviously you don’t, you would understand I was speaking of healthcare workers in TV and my immediate family risking their lives everyday.
Your attack would be unfounded if you could actually read posts instead of jumping in to attack a poster with your statement. So sad.

By the way so far my spouse, children, or granddaughter, has NOT tested +. While being exposed for 10 to 16 hours a day.

But if you did, Test +, they would still try to save you. I try to find the good in most especially after NAM, you will be a challenge for me.