Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2397304)

Any of them that don't respect the property, don't respect their neighbors, throw parties until 3 AM, park in front of their neighbor's driveway, litter their neighbor's property, abuse the amenities and in extreme cases commit serious breaches of the law.

Now, which group does one think more likely describes some of the reported behavior----3 day Airbnb renters or 10 year full time residents?

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2397312)

You missed the point. It doesn't matter why owners are renting their property out, or why they've chosen a management company. It doesn't matter that many renters form bonds.

What matters - is that I was responding to someone who was blaming the tenants. My response is - if you are blaming tenants, then you have to blame the landlords for renting their properties in the first place. No landlords = no tenants.

I am not of the opinion that it's the tenant's fault. I'm disputing their opinion. My opinion is that the original deed restrictions were written before the Internet existed, there was no such thing as Air B&B, and the next generation of developers just flat out didn't even consider that people renting their properties would be a "thing." They were myopic in their vision, and had their heads stuck firmly in the bubble of their own creation.

As a result, we now have a generation of internet-savvy owners who can sign up strangers to rent their properties when they're not living there at all, and there is no rule built in to stop them. Owners no longer have to CARE about what their neighbors think - because it is a profitable endeavor. Rent to some strangers for a week and by the time Community Standards shows up to observe the neighbor's complaint, the tenants are already on their way back to wherever they came from.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2397362)

We've also had a part-time resident who owns the property, and isn't a snowbird. They come down sporadically throughout the year and rent via air B&B when they're not here. They've rented to a young family who was waiting for their own house outside the Villages to be built. It was supposed to be just for a month. Remember little kids aren't supposed to be here more than a month during the year. They had two kids, the oldest was maybe 9 or 10. The tenant's new home was taking longer than expected, and the homeowner told their tenant that they could stay a couple months longer. Which - they did.

The homeowner claimed to not know that this 55+ community didn't allow young children to LIVE here, only visit. The tenants shouldn't have been able to move in at all, even short term. They weren't visitors. They weren't visiting the homeowner. The homeowner wasn't even in Florida when this family was renting. The family wasn't related to the homeowner, or friends with the homeowner. Strangers from the internet who answered an ad. FORTUNATELY they were a nice family, the kids were only rambunctious a few days before they left, having a sprinkler fight on the front lawn with their dad. It was adorable.

But just knowing that the owner doesn't even understand the basic rules about the 55+ community they moved in to (no kids unless they're visiting for up to 30 days a year) - it makes me worry about who their next tenants will be.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2397366)

Exactly my point, thank you

Originally Posted by Nancy@Pinellas (Post 2397360)

I love seasonal residents. They pay amenity fees year round which keep everyone's lower.

Originally Posted by dano121 (Post 2397354)

I had a Healthcare Worker tell me that the reason I had to wait 4 months to see a Specialist was because a lot of the Birds set up their healthcare down here and then overwhelm the system when they show up for all of their physical needs. Anyone's thoughts???

Originally Posted by CarlR33 (Post 2396824)

You said the same thing back on 8-25 replying to a similar post but now you have created one yourself to further complain? Just go enjoy the crowed pool and relax already!

Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 2397052)

But the part you are not getting is that they could justify building bigger/better roads to handle the peak traffic if y’all stayed year round. Fewer restaurants would fail and more restauranteurs would be willing to open a business here if they could depend on year-round crowds. This applies to all kinds of businesses.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2397371)

Many seasonal residents are TENANTS and don't pay any amenity fees at all, ever.

Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2397355)

We have one home near us that the landlord has never visited. Every car that pulls in brings neighbors to wonder what the result will be. Sometimes this is 3 times a week.

Originally Posted by Bucci1920 (Post 2397144)

Snowbirds bring their cash with them when they come for the winter. They pay the many tourist taxes added to the bills. Thank them when you don't have to pay a state income tax.

Originally Posted by SoCalGal (Post 2397388)

But the landlords do, always.

Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 2396791)

“I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore” ranted Peter Finch’s character, Howard Beale, in the film “Network”. I feel the same about the relentless snide remarks & overt negativity directed at and about snowbirds. Let’s look at some facts & common complaints.

We increase traffic congestion.
Hard to argue with that one but we also reduce congestion by leaving for 6 months or more so is the glass half full or half empty?

Snowbirds are bad drivers. Really? Snowbirds come to Florida from all over the U.S. & Canada, driving thousands of miles. How are we able to do this without causing accidents & chaos? It’s really very simple.

We are healthy overall; without vision & hearing problems, coordination deficits, mental lapses or dementia.
We keep our speed at the level of the posted speed limits or with the natural flow of traffic.
We keep to the right lane unless passing.
We use our turn signals.
We can properly & legally park a vehicle (as in between-the-lines & without blocking other vehicles, fire lanes, handicap spaces, etc.).
We put down the phone in order to pay attention to our driving.
We drive defensively.
We practice patience & courtesy.

Floridians seem to think we are clueless as to navigating roundabouts. Newsflash! Florida does not have a monopoly on roundabouts. We have many in my home state & an accident in a roundabout is actually quite rare & never a daily/weekly occurrence as it is here.

Snowbirds living in The Villages pay the same as full time residents in regard to amenity fees, bonds, insurance, property taxes, school taxes & more, yet we are here less than 6 months. We do not vote or influence local & state elections & leave the politics, policies, laws, etc. to the permanent residents of Florida. It is the politicians you have elected who continue to approve new developments attracting more snowbirds to Florida. “If you build it, they will come”

Snowbird money is important to Florida. In 2019, snowbirds contributed over $95 billion to the Florida economy. That equates to 1.6 million jobs in Florida.

To summarize, people love a scapegoat & snowbirds make an easy target but look at the facts:

We are safe drivers.
We pay the same for year-round services.
We benefit the economy.
We leave the politics to you.
We go away for at least half of the year.

Of course there is one way that we snowbirds could put an end to the complaining; we could all just move here permanently. Now, there’s an idea!

Originally Posted by SoCalGal (Post 2397387)

What does "FROG" stand for?

Originally Posted by SoCalGal (Post 2397387)

What does "FROG" stand for?

I recently read on a health discussion forum that KSM-66 Ashwagandha Root Powder Extract is an herbal supplement that reduces stress and anxiety. It helps one feel calmer and more relaxed, helping them sleep better and stay asleep longer. The Physician's Choice brand has nearly 7,000 positive customer reviews. I'm gonna try it for insomnia.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2397690)

It's not an acronym----it simply refers to that group of people who will live here "until they croak"