[Bill-n-Brillo]

Originally Posted by memason

Sorry.... my bad!

Your eyes are getting very heavy . . .

But it's hard to get sleepy cuz I'm laughing so hard!!!

Bill

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by mhoerauf

Believe it's appropriate to alternate in the circumstances you describe.

When the OP indicated that both N & S have stop signs, what's so inappropriate about indicating "alternate." Alternate is pretty much what's going to happen naturally, be it intentionally or not; unless of course one or more parties second, third, etc. in line fails to stop for the stop sign after the vehicle in front of them proceeds into their left hand turn. I'll refer to them as bumper huggers for lack of a better way of describing them!

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo

But it's hard to get sleepy cuz I'm laughing so hard!!!

Bill

...and spitting out popcorn of course!

[Mikeod]

I think what is confusing this issue is that some states have laws where, if you stop where a stop sign exists, even if you're the third car back of the stop sign, you don't have to stop again before going through the intersection if cross traffic allows. So, in the scenario described, if the third car in line is going straight through, they probably don't think they should yield to someone turning left in front of them. Others feel you must stop at the sign, even if you're the next car/cart in line, thus setting up an alternating scenario with the other cars/carts at the stop signs.

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by mikeod

I think what is confusing this issue is that some states have laws where, if you stop where a stop sign exists, even if you're the third car back of the stop sign, you don't have to stop again before going through the intersection if cross traffic allows. So, in the scenario described, if the third car in line is going straight through, they probably don't think they should yield to someone turning left in front of them. Others feel you must stop at the sign, even if you're the next car/cart in line, thus setting up an alternating scenario with the other cars/carts at the stop signs.

I'm not about to research each state, but what you've stated (highlighted) is hard to believe and have doubts that it's not a violation of a V&T law in any state. I can't imagine a Motor Vehicle Safety Analysist any where suggesting such a provision go into law. Now can I imagine a lawmaker doing so? Well, that's a different matter! Either way doing so could be a mistake... a fatal mistake!

[Halle]

Originally Posted by mikeod

I think what is confusing this issue is that some states have laws where, if you stop where a stop sign exists, even if you're the third car back of the stop sign, you don't have to stop again before going through the intersection if cross traffic allows. So, in the scenario described, if the third car in line is going straight through, they probably don't think they should yield to someone turning left in front of them. Others feel you must stop at the sign, even if you're the next car/cart in line, thus setting up an alternating scenario with the other cars/carts at the stop signs.

Wow I have never heard of this being allowed. Every state I have ever lived in you must stop at the sign when you reach the sign everytime regardless of traffic or if you stopped because you were number 10 in line.

Learn something new everyday.

[Pturner]

In a round about sort of way, this thread is great PR for the intersections in TV. Remind me to post a link to it next winter when the annual roundabout bitchin' starts making the rounds.

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by Halle

Wow I have never heard of this being allowed. Every state I have ever lived in you must stop at the sign when you reach the sign everytime regardless of traffic or if you stopped because you were number 10 in line.

Learn something new everyday.

I have also lived in several states where stopping was required-period. What states do otherwise-can anyone give a reference?

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Originally Posted by skyguy79

...and spitting out popcorn of course!

Yep!!

Originally Posted by Pturner

In a round about sort of way, this thread is great PR for the intersections in TV. Remind me to post a link to it next winter when the annual roundabout bitchin' starts making the rounds.

"In a round about sort of way.........." Subtle humor is always great!

Bill

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by Challenger

I have also lived in several states where stopping was required-period. What states do otherwise-can anyone give a reference?

This was changed in 1971, I believe, when the US DOT established the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices to make laws consistent across the US. Previously, there two different stop signs used, mostly in the New England area. One, a "through stop" sign, had the word "Thru" above the word stop on the usual octagonal, red sign. The other did not. All cars had to stop at the stop line where there was a "Thru" stop. At the other, up to three cars could proceed, if safe, having stopped once. I agree it wasn't a safe system. But someone who was licensed prior to the law being changed may still think it is correct to proceed in that manner.

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by mikeod

This was changed in 1971, I believe, when the US DOT established the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices to make laws consistent across the US. Previously, there two different stop signs used, mostly in the New England area. One, a "through stop" sign, had the word "Thru" above the word stop on the usual octagonal, red sign. The other did not. All cars had to stop at the stop line where there was a "Thru" stop. At the other, up to three cars could proceed, if safe, having stopped once. I agree it wasn't a safe system. But someone who was licensed prior to the law being changed may still think it is correct to proceed in that manner.

I'll bet that some of those licensed before 1971 that can't remember the law changed 40 years ago also have a problem remembering where their turn signal stick is today if they used it just yesterday!

BTW, I was first licensed in the State of New York in 1963 and drove through every New England state prior by 1971... except RI and CT, and I don't remember ever seeing a stop sign with with a "Thru" on it. Not saying they didn't exist, just saying I don't remember any!

[Challenger]

My wife and I were both licensed in 1956 and early on drove over much of the east coast . Never heard of the up to three drive through.