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GrumpyOldMan 06-19-2021 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 1961807)
Got a link to just one of those "laws" not related to commercial storage?

I can't find Wildwood's laws or codes online, but here is Fort Lauderdale's. If you want to know what the laws are contact your local Fire Department:

http://fortlauderdale.elaws.us/code/cid10787/47-18.13/

Larchap49 06-19-2021 09:11 AM

Propane
 
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Originally Posted by bowlingal (Post 1961625)
It's really funny how everyone is talking do's and don'ts of storing gasoline in the garage. No one is talking about the propane tanks of your barbeque being stored in the garage for 6 months. which I think much more dangerous Up north, you NEVER store a propane tank in an enclosed space.

Your propane tank sits on your grill for months on end in the Florida sun with no issue, thats the design so having them in the shaded garage would be a non issue.

Greenjade 06-19-2021 09:13 AM

If your water heater is in the garage and it has a pilot light, how can you safely store gas in that space?
So storing gas in the garage is not a good idea by the recommended DIY advice.

My house up north has the water heater in the basement. So gas storage would be okay in my garage up there.

What does the local villages fire department feel about gas cans or propane tanks in the garage I wonder?

Larchap49 06-19-2021 09:14 AM

Gas
 
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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 1961772)
Gas is stored in millions of gas tanks, in garages around the world. Your car has a gas tank, your golf cart has a gas tank, your lawn mower, weed whacker....... one more tank won't matter.

Ahhhh common sense prevails thank you

BarryD 06-19-2021 09:24 AM

Siphoning from a car
 
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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1961499)
I’m leaning towards storing gas in the car’s tank. And when I need it just siphon it into the gas can and then whatever is not used siphon back. Any suggestions?

Most newer model cars and SUV’s have emergency valves that stop gas from draining out in the event of a roll-over. This valve also acts as a siphon prevention system which is the reason why nearly all the siphon devices and pumps sold these days are useless. That being said, there is a way to siphon gas from a modern car, you just need to know how to do it and have the right tools for the job.

stebooo 06-19-2021 09:25 AM

Your garage!!!

kcrazorbackfan 06-19-2021 03:33 PM

For 50yrs now, I’ve stored gas and in the garage, now a 2 one gallon, 1 two gallon and a five gallon along with a propane bottle, NEVER have had an issue; some of you sound like you’re trying to reinvent the wheel on storing gas advice.

JMintzer 06-19-2021 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1961832)
Back in the day on TOTV, most people actually read the previous posts before utilizing their keyboard:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/nw.gif

BlueHeronFan 06-19-2021 04:02 PM

I have been mowing my own yard for 11+ years. I have always stored the gas can next to the mower. It's sealed. I also crack the garage window a few inches more for charging my electric cart and for ventilation. Close it for storms and when traveling.

jimhurtt@twc.com 06-19-2021 10:55 PM

Newer automobiles now have a restriction in the gas tank neck (filler tube) that prevents a hose or tube from being inserted to siphon out the gas. I discovered this the hard way on a deserted highway.

golfing eagles 06-20-2021 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jimhurtt@twc.com (Post 1962143)
Newer automobiles now have a restriction in the gas tank neck (filler tube) that prevents a hose or tube from being inserted to siphon out the gas. I discovered this the hard way on a deserted highway.

Please see post #40

Bay Kid 06-20-2021 06:25 AM

The gas smell is enough reason not to store in my garage.

MandoMan 06-20-2021 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 1961465)
In the garage where you probably have your mower and generator.

At the moment I am at my lakefront home in eastern Pennsylvania preparing it for sale so I can live in The Villages year around. Overlooking the lake are a dozen double-wide modular homes with garages. On May 31 a fire started in the garage of one home, spread to the garage of the one twenty feet away, and both houses were burned to the ground, apart from a a few charred walls. I don’t think the fire was caused by gas in a gas can, but there was definitely a gas can in each garage, and probably at some point that added to the fire and helped it spread to the next house. The fire chief said there was also propane burning from the lines running to the two 100 gallon tanks beside each home, though I don’t know that they actually exploded.

I suspect that a sturdy gas can in good condition in a garage is at least as safe as the gas tank in a car left in the blazing sun, or in a hot lawnmower, and I don’t see them on fire very often. However, I occasionally need to use a little shellac in the garage. I always leave the garage door open when I do that, and the paper towel I use to apply it is left open on gravel outside until the shellac has dried and the alcohol in it has evaporated. Just in case.

JMintzer 06-20-2021 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1962215)
The gas smell is enough reason not to store in my garage.

I've stored my snowblower and a regulation plastic gas "can" in my garage for decades.

What is this "smell" you speak of?

Bill14564 06-20-2021 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1962215)
The gas smell is enough reason not to store in my garage.

If you can smell gas in your garage then there is a problem that needs immediate attention!

If you are smelling gas then either some was spilled or fumes are escaping. The tank in your car won't let fumes escape, the tank in your golf cart won't let fumes escape, and a proper gas can won't let fumes escape. If fumes are escaping then there is a leak that needs to be fixed

Leadbone1 06-20-2021 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1961464)
Where can I store gasoline in gas can ready to use in mower or generator if I have an enclosed lanai?

Gee… how about garage????

Ewalsh43 06-20-2021 08:17 AM

Just the facts mam
 
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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 1961496)
Reality, most of us store it wrong. Gasoline is highly flammable. Not only that but it oxidizes over time. The way an engine works, you spray gasoline vapor into an enclosed space, the cylinder, the spark plug, sparks and it starts an explosion driving the piston.

In an enclosed space, ie your garage the gasoline vaporizes. At high enough concentrations, fortunately not likely, you turn on the lights or anything makes a spark and explosion is possible-not likely. A generator will require a fair amount of gasoline.
Depending on what you need or want as well as budget. There are generators that run on gas as well as others that run on diesel which is not as explosive or easy to ignite as gasoline.

Few do it right. Most get away with it.

Do you have a car, or gas powered golf cart? Both of those store gasoline, and I are am sure they are stored in your garage. A proper 3-5 gallon plastic OSHA approved gas container with a sealing top is the same type of storage as your car or golf cart! If you notice a gasoline smell, the container seal is bad and you’ll need to replace the container. Put a small quantity of “Stabill” gas additive (you can buy online or at any automotive store) into the gasoline and it can be stored for 2 years, but I recommend using it before then.

TandHSTAR@AOL.com 06-20-2021 08:38 AM

A few yards away from your house? So you are suggesting near your neighbor's house? Be he would love that LOL

GrumpyOldMan 06-20-2021 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ewalsh43 (Post 1962293)
Do you have a car, or gas powered golf cart? Both of those store gasoline, and I are am sure they are stored in your garage. A proper 3-5 gallon plastic OSHA approved gas container with a sealing top is the same type of storage as your car or golf cart! If you notice a gasoline smell, the container seal is bad and you’ll need to replace the container. Put a small quantity of “Stabill” gas additive (you can buy online or at any automotive store) into the gasoline and it can be stored for 2 years, but I recommend using it before then.

Both the car and the golf cart are designed to "safely" store gasoline in a closed garage.

The problem with gasoline storage is twofold. One, storing LARGE amounts of gasoline can be a major safety issue in the case of fire. Most municipalities restrict the amount of gasoline you can store in a resident to 25 to 60 gallons.

The second problem is with cheap "gasoline containers" that allow fumes to leak out into the garage. The gasoline liquid is fairly difficult to ignite without a full-blown fire igniting it. However, gasoline fumes (vapors) are easy to ignite and are explosive.

Just because so many people say they have stored it for decades and never had a problem does not mean there are no potential problems. It is very important to make sure you don't go cheap on the gasoline container, and that you pay attention to the smell. If you can smell it, it can explode. Leaving a window slightly open helps, leaving the door slightly open helps. Or having a garage ventilation system (exhaust fan) helps. The goal is to prevent fumes as much as possible and to get the fumes out of the garage if they are there.

It is also recommended to not fill your mower or cart or whatever inside the garage, but to move them outside into the open air before filling - again, to avoid the accumulation of fumes/vapors.

richs631 06-20-2021 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1961464)
Where can I store gasoline in gas can ready to use in mower or generator if I have an enclosed lanai?

Please guys let’s not over analyze this. A 2 gallon can is more than enough to fill a standard lawn mower at least 4 times and is plenty safe to store in your garage. Your house is not going to blow up because you have a 2 gallon gas can stored

GrumpyOldMan 06-20-2021 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by richs631 (Post 1962368)
Please guys let’s not over analyze this. A 2 gallon can is more than enough to fill a standard lawn mower at least 4 times and is plenty safe to store in your garage. Your house is not going to blow up because you have a 2 gallon gas can stored

If it is a gasoline storage can, that is not damaged. Two gallons is more than enough accelerant to burn your house down - but NOT if you take simple precautions.

Actually, the correct place for the OP to ask this question was at any fire station in TV.

If it is too hard to ask the Fire Department - here is some useful information:

http://ameriburn.org/wp-content/uplo...atorsguide.pdf

MrFlorida 06-20-2021 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1961499)
I’m leaning towards storing gas in the car’s tank. And when I need it just siphon it into the gas can and then whatever is not used siphon back. Any suggestions?

You will not be able to siphon gas out of your car's tank, there is an anti rollover valve in the fill at the bottom near the tank.... a siphon hose will never be able to enter the tank.

Dimagolfer 06-20-2021 11:51 AM

Gas Storage
 
Storing gas containers 1 to 5 gal. in garages, barns, storage sheds, golf cart garage for 60 years with no issues!

Velvet 06-20-2021 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1962380)
If it is a gasoline storage can, that is not damaged. Two gallons is more than enough accelerant to burn your house down - but NOT if you take simple precautions.

Actually, the correct place for the OP to ask this question was at any fire station in TV.

If it is too hard to ask the Fire Department - here is some useful information:

http://ameriburn.org/wp-content/uplo...atorsguide.pdf

Great idea. I will ask, next door neighbor is a retired fireman.

MrFlorida 06-20-2021 02:13 PM

Buy a battery powered lawn mower , and sleep well at night.

golfing eagles 06-20-2021 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFlorida (Post 1962402)
You will not be able to siphon gas out of your car's tank, there is an anti rollover valve in the fill at the bottom near the tank.... a siphon hose will never be able to enter the tank.

Please read post #40, and get the person from post #51 to read it with you:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

GrumpyOldMan 06-20-2021 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimagolfer (Post 1962460)
Storing gas containers 1 to 5 gal. in garages, barns, storage sheds, golf cart garage for 60 years with no issues!

Hmm, so, have you ever had an Aortic Aneurysm? If not, that must mean they don't happen.

GrumpyOldMan 06-20-2021 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFlorida (Post 1962535)
Buy a battery powered lawn mower , and sleep well at night.

EXCELLENT suggestion!

GrumpyOldMan 06-20-2021 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1962505)
Great idea. I will ask, next door neighbor is a retired fireman.

Good idea!

Bill14564 06-20-2021 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1962549)
Hmm, so, have you ever had an Aortic Aneurysm? If not, that must mean they don't happen.

Never been hit by falling space debris, never had a part off an airplane fall on my head, never been hit by a foul ball but I *could* wear a helmet 24 hours a day just in case.

I wonder if there is any data on the number of fires caused by the storage of five gals or less of gasoline in an approved container (gas can)? Not speculation on what *could* happen and not damage caused when a fire engulfed a gas can but a fire *caused* by the can. There have been a whole lot of people storing gas in this way for decades - if it was a problem then there ought to be statistics out there somewhere.

GrumpyOldMan 06-20-2021 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1962586)
Never been hit by falling space debris, never had a part off an airplane fall on my head, never been hit by a foul ball but I *could* wear a helmet 24 hours a day just in case.

I wonder if there is any data on the number of fires caused by the storage of five gals or less of gasoline in an approved container (gas can)? Not speculation on what *could* happen and not damage caused when a fire engulfed a gas can but a fire *caused* by the can. There have been a whole lot of people storing gas in this way for decades - if it was a problem then there ought to be statistics out there somewhere.

I don't know if there is data on the number of fires caused by 5 gals or more. B ut I do know the fire department takes storing gasoline very seriously, and that numerous residential fires are caused every year by flammable liquids.

"According to the NFPA, every year more than 50,000 fires start as the result of flammable gas while more than 160,000 fires start as the result of a flammable or combustible liquid. Combined, flammable and combustible liquids and gases cause more than $2.1 billion worth of property damage and more than 600 deaths annually."

So, at 3,000 AAA's (Abdominal Aortic Aneurysms) deaths per year, there are more house fires caused by flammable liquids than those, but I bet your doctor would take your AAA very seriously - ask me how I know...

Effects of Fire | Home Fire Statistics | The Hartford

Bill14564 06-20-2021 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1962606)
I don't know if there is data on the number of fires caused by 5 gals or more. B ut I do know the fire department takes storing gasoline very seriously, and that numerous residential fires are caused every year by flammable liquids.

"According to the NFPA, every year more than 50,000 fires start as the result of flammable gas while more than 160,000 fires start as the result of a flammable or combustible liquid. Combined, flammable and combustible liquids and gases cause more than $2.1 billion worth of property damage and more than 600 deaths annually."

So, at 3,000 AAA's (Abdominal Aortic Aneurysms) deaths per year, there are more house fires caused by flammable liquids than those, but I bet your doctor would take your AAA very seriously - ask me how I know...

Effects of Fire | Home Fire Statistics | The Hartford

NFPA Fact Sheet on flammable gas and combustible liquids fires:
- 50,000 flammable gas fires nearly all involve natural gas, LP-gas, or unknown-type gas
- 160,000 combustible liquid fires include 55,000 fires at home
- gasoline involved in 6% combustible liquid first ignited in home structure fires = approximately 3,300 gasoline-ignited home fires
- no mention of whether gasoline was stored in approved containers

NFPA article on hoarding gasoline, May 31,2021:
These same listed, labeled, and approved containers with a cap are the only suitable way to store gasoline in garages and sheds.
...
Store gasoline in a tightly capped container that has been listed, labeled, and approved for gasoline.
Store the container outside the home in your garage or garden shed, never in your basement.



So about 1.5% (3,300/year) of home fires caused by flammable gas or liquids were attributed to gasoline. However, there was no mention of whether the gasoline was stored in approved containers.

The NFPA recommends approved containers when storing gasoline in a garage.

TCNY61 06-20-2021 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFlorida (Post 1962535)
Buy a battery powered lawn mower , and sleep well at night.

Maybe not so much!

Tesla set itself on fire and exploded in Shanghai China! - YouTube

GrumpyOldMan 06-20-2021 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TCNY61 (Post 1962713)

I hope this was in jest.

About 250 million miles per fire with Tesla's. Wanna look at how many ICE power cars burst into flame.

Freaking amazing.

Mrprez 06-21-2021 04:23 AM

The house behind us caught fire due to a recharging battery left in the sun. Owners were out of the house for a year.

Full-timer 06-21-2021 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1961464)
Where can I store gasoline in gas can ready to use in mower or generator if I have an enclosed lanai?

Wow, I see some crazy answers to this. A proper gas container with the proper lids and caps on it and used can be safely stored in the garage. It is that simple. Keep it out of the sun (in your garage) so it will not bloat when warmed up.

Nick B 06-21-2021 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1961464)
Where can I store gasoline in gas can ready to use in mower or generator if I have an enclosed lanai?

Today's new cans are not vented no fumes. Put it in garage where it belongs.

nn0wheremann 06-25-2021 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiltongrizz11 (Post 1961592)
Some of you guys with your gas storage questions are as far out as Mars. Just by your suggestions I can tell some of you never lived in rural areas and don't know how many Americans live day to day. You put your gas where you need to and where you want to when you don't worry about it as long as you got a decent can.

Anywhere outside is acceptable for the gasoline itself it's just a matter of whether you want to break the rules according to some here. I love the idea of a deck box that someone suggested right out of the chute. The risk of an explosion and all the scary tactics that they put on year is BS when it's outside.

Your car, unless it is a very old antique has a vapor recovery system, so does not leak fuel vapors into the garage. Your golf cart does not. It sits there with up to seven gallons of gasoline changing temperature in the tank every day as the garage heats up and cools down. Get a good UL listed gas can (try WalMart or Ace ) that meets ANSI/ASTM standard F852-99, keep the vent closed and lid on tight and live life. You might notice the sides expand when it is very hot, and contract when cold. No significant vapor leakage.

Topspinmo 06-25-2021 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick B (Post 1962796)
Today's new cans are not vented no fumes. Put it in garage where it belongs.

I’ve never seen gas can that was vented? Why would vent something that holds vaporization fluid? You had to remove, loosen something, or take the cap off and pull the self venting spout out. Even the older plastic gas cans had little cap to remove to allow air in when pouring. But, there was no open vent unless you left the cap off and if you did you smelled gas vapors.

Topspinmo 06-25-2021 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TandHSTAR@AOL.com (Post 1962319)
A few yards away from your house? So you are suggesting near your neighbor's house? Be he would love that LOL

Yes, like neighbor that barbecue’s on propane grill In CYV setting 10” from neighbors house wall with back facing wall with heat running up wall to roof. But the nothing in restrictions about that, but pages of minor Bs.


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