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Goldwingnut 05-11-2021 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1942717)
I will read the study more closely to find and understand the credits and additional calculations. My impression from the study was that the 40% number was determined by dividing the existing fees by the "maximum defensible" fee: essentially, what number was necessary to keep the fees the same.

I'll also need to look at what "maximum defensible" means. I'm surprised that 110% to 130% of actual cost was considered to be defensible. But again, I need to look at the study more closely.

Be sure to have a fresh pot of coffee available, it's a challenging read.

Altavia 05-11-2021 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Goldwingnut (Post 1942709)

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Continuing to portray the 40% number as a "sweetheart deal" that somehow only The Villages developer is getting is both dishonest and neglects the rest of the facts of the situation.

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Thanks for the continued education Don, very much appreciated.

Advogado 05-13-2021 07:57 AM

Anyone interested in understanding how the Developer is milking us via his sweetheart impact fee and our massive property-tax hike should read this article:

FL legislators bigfoot local government to benefit big-money developers | Florida Phoenix

Joe V. 05-13-2021 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1943784)
Anyone interested in understanding how the Developer is milking us via his sweetheart impact fee and our massive property-tax hike should read this article:

FL legislators bigfoot local government to benefit big-money developers | Florida Phoenix


Your source is a joke!

influence watch .org

"Florida Phoenix was established in 2018 as a left-leaning news and opinion outlet focused on government and political news coverage within the state of Florida. [1] It is part of the left-of-center media organization States Newsroom (formerly the Newsroom Network), [2] which was until 2019 a project of the Hopewell Fund, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit managed by the for-profit consulting firm Arabella Advisors. [3]

Florida Phoenix is also supported by the Washington DC-based New Venture Fund, another grant making and project sponsorship nonprofit managed by Arabella Advisors. New Venture Fund is underwritten by organizations like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. [4]

New Venture Fund, Hopewell Fund, and Arabella Advisors have faced criticism for creating a “dark money” network of left-of-center advocacy organizations. [5]"

Advogado 05-13-2021 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe V. (Post 1943798)
Your source is a joke!

influence watch .org

"Florida Phoenix was established in 2018 as a left-leaning news and opinion outlet focused on government and political news coverage within the state of Florida. [1] It is part of the left-of-center media organization States Newsroom (formerly the Newsroom Network), [2] which was until 2019 a project of the Hopewell Fund, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit managed by the for-profit consulting firm Arabella Advisors. [3]

Florida Phoenix is also supported by the Washington DC-based New Venture Fund, another grant making and project sponsorship nonprofit managed by Arabella Advisors. New Venture Fund is underwritten by organizations like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. [4]

New Venture Fund, Hopewell Fund, and Arabella Advisors have faced criticism for creating a “dark money” network of left-of-center advocacy organizations. [5]"

So, please point out the errors in the article.

Joe V. 05-13-2021 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1943808)
So, please point out the errors in the article.

I would not read any of the blather from your clearly unbalanced source. And stop blowing smoke up clear thinking Americans's arses.

Advogado 05-13-2021 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe V. (Post 1943812)
I would not read any of the blather from your clearly unbalanced source. And stop blowing smoke up clear thinking Americans's arses.

I am always glad to be educated, but I didn't see any misstatements of fact in the article. I would suggest you read it before attacking it. By the way, true conservatives should be in favor of local self-rule and against crony capitalism.

Dond1959 05-13-2021 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1943841)
I am always glad to be educated, but I didn't see any misstatements of fact in the article. I would suggest you read it before attacking it. By the way, true conservatives should be in favor of local self-rule and against crony capitalism.

Your article obviously has its own slant and doesn’t discuss the cons of impact fees. I prefer a more balanced academic approach to the subject. There are some disadvantages to impact fees. The complexity of implementation of impact fees and the impact on low to moderate housing are two of the most prominent. He is an academic paper that gives a more balanced view.

http://impactfees.com/publications%20pdf/dif.pdf

eyc234 05-13-2021 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RuthA (Post 1942059)
That is where you are wrong. The 25% increase in the real estate rate was necessitated by the Developer refusing to pay for the new roads down South of 44 and the then Commissioners voting to raise taxes on all the residents in Sumter County in order to benefit the Developer. The current Commissioners voted to raise the Impact Fees in order to force the Developer to pay for this development and thus be able to roll back this huge increase.

:blahblahblah:So where is the roll back??

Two Bills 05-13-2021 01:15 PM

The Taxman taketh, and thou seeist no more!

Advogado 05-13-2021 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1942085)
I am waiting for my refund………..

Thanks to the Developer's employee-legislator Brett Hage's co-sponsored legislation restricting impact-fee increases, you can, at least for now, forget about a tax rollback. In a nutshell: The Developer's sweetheart impact fee continues, as does our huge property-tax hike.

Big-money wins; the rest of us lose.

Advogado 05-13-2021 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1942398)
Oversimp...............that's me.

Why doesn't the purchaser pay property taxes??????????????????????????????

Of course he does, but the current residents are paying for the county infrastructure that the new purchaser necessitates. In other words, we are subsidizing the Developer's expansion of The Villages.

Advogado 05-13-2021 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by eyc234 (Post 1943937)
:blahblahblah:So where is the roll back??

Thanks to the Developer's employee-legislator Brett Hage's co-sponsored legislation restricting impact-fee increases, you can, at least for now, forget about a tax rollback. In a nutshell: The Developer's sweetheart impact fee continues, as does our huge property-tax hike.

Bogie Shooter 05-13-2021 05:24 PM

Excuses, excuses….we don’t need no d#&% excuses.

Dond1959 05-14-2021 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1944017)
Thanks to the Developer's employee-legislator Brett Hage's co-sponsored legislation restricting impact-fee increases, you can, at least for now, forget about a tax rollback. In a nutshell: The Developer's sweetheart impact fee continues, as does our huge property-tax hike.

Why are new fees or taxes needed for a roll back? How about looking at cutting expenditures first and see how far that will get?

dewilson58 05-14-2021 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1944016)
Of course he does, but the current residents are paying for the county infrastructure that the new purchaser necessitates. In other words, we are subsidizing the Developer's expansion of The Villages.

Unrelated to the post/topic, enjoy hearing yourself.

Advogado 05-14-2021 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dond1959 (Post 1944151)
Why are new fees or taxes needed for a roll back? How about looking at cutting expenditures first and see how far that will get?

Current spending programs were enacted while the Developer's Commissioners were in control of the County Commission. In fairness to those Commissioners, I am not aware of their being guilty of wasteful spending. Which County services do you want to cut back?

I think that you will find that the problem is not wasteful spending by the County government. We do, in fact, do need a lot of new County infrastructure because of the massive expansion of The Villages. That costs money.

The inequity here is the fact that we current residents are paying, through the massive property-tax hike, for county infrastructure that should be paid for by the Developer through reasonable impact fees. Estep, Miller, and Search were overwhelmingly elected to the County Commission to rectify that unfairness. However, it looks like the Developer has been successful in thwarting the will of the voters.

Advogado 05-14-2021 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1944159)
Unrelated to the post/topic, enjoy hearing yourself.

My post is completely related to the post/topic, but feel free to ignore it or refute it.


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