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ALadysMom 05-03-2020 05:38 PM
The best way to limit possible transmissions is to limit the number of shopping trips you make. Stay home. But can you really do that indefinitely?

Grocers could make their store more uniform in design layout to make shopping faster but they won’t because more time means more money.

I have shopped once since Feb 22nd. I bulk shop with a meal plan and a detailed list. Sometimes I miss an item & have to double back. Being disabled means walking extra steps causes me pain and inflammation so following one-way arrows is detrimental to my health & well-being but I don’t want a confrontation with the self-appointed one-way enforcement so I suffer great pain to comply.

photo1902 05-03-2020 05:48 PM
Simple solution. Shop Winn Dixie, Walmart and Aldi’s.

coffeebean 05-03-2020 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1757987)
Yes they are not allowed to buy the other package. It's taken away from them with an apology. But it does hold up the line when you have people doing this with multiple items. It also means the person who came to that aisle a minute later, who saw nothing on the shelf, will miss out on getting that pack of TP

Imagine being that customer. You get there early because you know this is the new reality and you accept it. You get to the paper aisle and there's no TP on the shelves. "Le sigh" you think, and move along to the next thing.

Around 20 minutes later you get in line to check out. You see the person in line behind you with toilet paper. You ask "wow where'd you find that?" And they say "it was on the shelf, I just got it a minute ago, it was the only pack left!"

How did it appear 2 minutes ago when it wasn't there 20 minutes ago? Easy: 25 minutes ago, a customer ignored the signs and took two packs. One was refused at the register and the grocery clerk put it back on the shelf...just 15 minutes after you were there looking for one.

Rejecting the guidelines, rejecting signs, rejecting the fact that everyone ELSE is trying to do the right thing and to hell with them because you are a special snowflake..

that is WHY our toys get taken away from us. Because a few spoil it for everyone else.
My heartfelt thanks to you for putting up with the public. I'm not one of those folks who do not read and comprehend signs but I'm grateful for all you do for us.

ALadysMom 05-03-2020 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DON10E (Post 1758277)
Thank you, OBB for a reasonable explanation. I can see how this could potentially reduce risk. However, I see some flaws in the one-way traffic policy.

First, the scenario you laid out seems to be rather specific and therefore relatively rare. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen, and it might reduce the risk compared to having two way traffic. A little.

However, and this always seems to be the bigger issue, the risk is not all or nothing. We have to consider the cost of the action. What's the cost of one way traffic? I think unquestionably it increases the time required to shop...get in and get out. The longer we are trapped indoors with many people (some of whom are not wearing masks which are designed to protect the population, not the wearer) the higher the risk of infection.

In the overall scheme of things, I would think reducing time exposed would be towards the top of the list of risk mitigation techniques available. I think I would want to accept the two-way traffic risk (especially since I can mitigate that by waiting longer for the person to pass and not bumping shoulders) in exchange for significantly reducing the exposure time risk.

Your explanation of the benefit of the policy is good. I am not convinced that the policy is wise overall. Especially since, in the real world, people are confused and violate the policy frequently. So we could end up with the aisle risk (bumping shoulders) AND the longer exposure risk.

There's always a battle between theoretical and actual when it comes to predicting human behavior.

Thoughts?
Based on the posts here, I am more concerned about customers getting into arguments or physical altercations BECAUSE of the one-way rule. Something meant to improve safety can go terribly wrong. Some folks seem to have been pushed to the limits of their tolerance while others simply want to assert control over others perhaps because they feel they’ve lost all control. Not good. More bogus rules will only make things worse. Again, it’s the group that says they don’t like intolerance who are being most intolerant and tyrannical.

coffeebean 05-03-2020 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1758230)
So drinking water is the key?
Very good point. I did hear a physician on TV say that staying hydrated is very important to mitigate this virus. Keeping the nasal passages moist will help keep the virus from taking hold in the nose. That is not word for word but the gist of what the physician said.

coffeebean 05-03-2020 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1758235)
I'm sensing that you might be a little dehydrated. Maybe have a glass of water.
Good one, OBB.

ithos 05-03-2020 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ALadysMom (Post 1758315)
The best way to limit possible transmissions is to limit the number of shopping trips you make. Stay home. But can you really do that indefinitely?

Grocers could make their store more uniform in design layout to make shopping faster but they won’t because more time means more money.

I have shopped once since Feb 22nd. I bulk shop with a meal plan and a detailed list. Sometimes I miss an item & have to double back. Being disabled means walking extra steps causes me pain and inflammation so following one-way arrows is detrimental to my health & well-being but I don’t want a confrontation with the self-appointed one-way enforcement so I suffer great pain to comply.
Like you I follow the policy even though it is patently clear that it increases the amount of time you have to spend in the store. As you said the real objective is to increase store profits as you pass by many more products with the new regime. I didn't consider that it was more than just an inconvenience for some people. In The Villages I am sure there are others that also must suffer unnecessarily. Thank you for enlightening me and I hope others as well.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-04-2020 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ALadysMom (Post 1758315)
The best way to limit possible transmissions is to limit the number of shopping trips you make. Stay home. But can you really do that indefinitely?

Grocers could make their store more uniform in design layout to make shopping faster but they won’t because more time means more money.

I have shopped once since Feb 22nd. I bulk shop with a meal plan and a detailed list. Sometimes I miss an item & have to double back. Being disabled means walking extra steps causes me pain and inflammation so following one-way arrows is detrimental to my health & well-being but I don’t want a confrontation with the self-appointed one-way enforcement so I suffer great pain to comply.
Being disabled means you are invited to use one of the battery-powered seated carts, where you can sit down and roll through the aisles without discomfort - and still go the right way.

It's one way because that's how they want it. They ASK you to wear masks because that's what they want you to do. They have accommodations so that anyone who shops there is able to follow these guidelines. Even the blind - they can stop off at the service desk and someone will escort them, or shop on their behalf with a list.

The only reason for you to NOT comply with the rules is "I don't wanna." Seems pretty childish to me.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-04-2020 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ALadysMom (Post 1758324)
Based on the posts here, I am more concerned about customers getting into arguments or physical altercations BECAUSE of the one-way rule. Something meant to improve safety can go terribly wrong. Some folks seem to have been pushed to the limits of their tolerance while others simply want to assert control over others perhaps because they feel they’ve lost all control. Not good. More bogus rules will only make things worse. Again, it’s the group that says they don’t like intolerance who are being most intolerant and tyrannical.
It doesn't happen. Sometimes there are words, but they don't last long. I've had them in Walmart with people who refuse to comply with the wishes of the store they have been PERMITTED to be in. Going to a supermarket is not a right. The supermarket owns their store. It is THEIR right, not yours, to permit you access or to deny it. If you don't follow THEIR rules, THEY have the right to kick you out. The only right you have is to not go in the first place.

Just like if I come to your house, YOU have the right to kick ME out, and I do NOT have the right to disobey your rules.

That's how private property works. No tyranny here. It's called living in a civilized society. If you don't like it, go to a country where property owners have no rights to maintain order on their own property.

positiveinlife 05-04-2020 06:24 AM
All I can say is some people are sheep always do what they are told can't think on their own. I am sure you will blindly accept a vaccine
because you are told to do so. I'am sure you think the Government will always do what's best for you too!

Byte1 05-04-2020 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1757793)
It's not trivial. The fact that you think it is, is part of why we have the rules in the first place. Because there are some people who will deny there's even a problem that needs to be solved, while people are dying from the non-existent problem.

And - if you "get nose to nose" with someone during a pandemic while there are actual rules requiring you to keep your distance, don't be surprised some day, if someone calls the police to complain about being physically harassed and threatened. You can get nose to nose with an officer.
It really IS "trivial." Someone going the wrong way in the store is not going to disrupt anyone's day unless they NEED something to complain about. It's TRIVIAL. Starting a thread to make folks aware of the shopping changes is one thing, but to incessantly complain over and over again that folks did not see the change is beating a dead horse and shows how petty and insignificant some folks' lives are. If you can't kindly remind someone that they are making a mistake and then allow their mistake to irritate you for the rest of the day, or week then maybe the problem is you.
Going the wrong way in a store really is TRIVIAL. If you live in fear, then stay safe at home.

golfing eagles 05-04-2020 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1758585)
Old guy fight in aisle 7

fighting old men - YouTube
Not really, I don't fight, I talk
If not effective, I talk loudly and firmly
If that doesn't work, I yell
If someone is stupid enough to attack me physically, I won't hurt them, just put them in a restraining hold to give them a "time out" to think about their stupid actions. No point in using up an ICU bed on an aisle moron.

finchbird57 05-04-2020 09:41 AM
Publix Shoppers
 
Many are ignorant and others do not care. It is get what I need and get out of here.

jebartle 05-04-2020 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Timothyimitchell (Post 1757180)
The signs are ridiculous. They'll never work. We, as a people, do not like being told what to do with our lives, and how to live our life. We have been good little sheep for 2 months. Time to live our lives. Period.
Where is the popcorn?

golfing eagles 05-04-2020 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1758556)
It really IS "trivial." Someone going the wrong way in the store is not going to disrupt anyone's day unless they NEED something to complain about. It's TRIVIAL. Starting a thread to make folks aware of the shopping changes is one thing, but to incessantly complain over and over again that folks did not see the change is beating a dead horse and shows how petty and insignificant some folks' lives are. If you can't kindly remind someone that they are making a mistake and then allow their mistake to irritate you for the rest of the day, or week then maybe the problem is you.
Going the wrong way in a store really is TRIVIAL. If you live in fear, then stay safe at home.
I agree

That being said, I follow the arrows and the rules because that is what THE MANAGEMENT has requested. I couldn't care less what THE SELF APPOINTED AISLE POLICE have to say.


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