[Waltdisney4life]

Would you like some cheese with that whine? Another example of some miserable person trying to tell others how they should live my life like and be just as miserable as them!

[nhtexasrn]

Originally Posted by villagetinker

I took to original message as $10 per person, I still think the Villages does not allow gambling, and I may very be wrong.

Isn't it the state of Florida that makes the laws and not The Villages?

[nick demis]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

IMO Wouldn’t any tournament you enter and have pay fee be considered gambling? I don’t see any different than bingo game, golf tournament, pool tournament, card game club/tournament or any other game you pay fee to enter to play. No different s than playing lottery scratch offs (course the odds of winning slim to none) You pay and take chance to win. Now if it was underworld numbers game, dice game or roulette where game can be loaded different story IMO.

Hey, what's your problem with craps. Best game in the casino. LOL

[ROCKMUP]

Originally Posted by Waltdisney4life

Would you like some cheese with that whine? Another example of some miserable person trying to tell others how they should live my life like and be just as miserable as them!

This is an odd forum. I quoted someone yesterday and asked why they'd be posting in a thread about something they didn't even like.

My post got deleted. lol

[DaddyD]

Originally Posted by giorgio1948

Why don't you enjoy playing there?

Due to the 10% rake up to (I think) $5 on every hand, plus the $2 they take from every hand for the high hand promotions, plus dealer tip, in my opinion the low limit games that I play are (in the long run) unbeatable.

Assume the average rake per hand dealt is $4, plus $2 they take for the high hand promotion, plus another $1 for dealer tip, that's $7 per hand. If a dealer is able to deal 30 hands per hour (a reasonable assumption) that means that $210 is being taken off the table each and every hour you play, regardless of whether you are winning or losing against the other players.

I understand that I am gambling and I am OK with losing money. However, I'm not OK with being virtually guaranteed to lose money due to an excessive rake. I know lots of players really like the high hand promotions, but mathematically-speaking, it is a bad deal for players.

At least in Vegas and most other casinos, poker players earn comps based upon the total # of hours they play, as well as free drinks and often free food as well.

At Oxford Downs, they don't even offer players free water, soft drinks, or coffee! How much does a cup of coffee or a soft drink cost management--five or ten cents a cup?? That's just beyond cheap! And if the reason they don't offer free drinks is because they are forbidden by Florida State law to offer free drinks, that's fine, but they could sell drinks for a nickel or $0.25 or whatever. Same for cheap hot dogs, etc..

But unfortunately they don't have any competition in the area, so they don't have to.

[kappy]

There is no rake at any of The Villages Hold’em or Gin Rummy Games. All proceeds are distributed among the many winners.

[Babubhat]

Low limit game players at Oxford are only there to win the promotions. Otherwise the rakes will crush you. The pots you win will be too small to overcome it

[valuemkt]

Originally Posted by DaddyD

Due to the 10% rake up to (I think) $5 on every hand, plus the $2 they take from every hand for the high hand promotions, plus dealer tip, in my opinion the low limit games that I play are (in the long run) unbeatable.

Assume the average rake per hand dealt is $4, plus $2 they take for the high hand promotion, plus another $1 for dealer tip, that's $7 per hand. If a dealer is able to deal 30 hands per hour (a reasonable assumption) that means that $210 is being taken off the table each and every hour you play, regardless of whether you are winning or losing against the other players.

I understand that I am gambling and I am OK with losing money. However, I'm not OK with being virtually guaranteed to lose money due to an excessive rake. I know lots of players really like the high hand promotions, but mathematically-speaking, it is a bad deal for players.

At least in Vegas and most other casinos, poker players earn comps based upon the total # of hours they play, as well as free drinks and often free food as well.

At Oxford Downs, they don't even offer players free water, soft drinks, or coffee! How much does a cup of coffee or a soft drink cost management--five or ten cents a cup?? That's just beyond cheap! And if the reason they don't offer free drinks is because they are forbidden by Florida State law to offer free drinks, that's fine, but they could sell drinks for a nickel or $0.25 or whatever. Same for cheap hot dogs, etc..

But unfortunately they don't have any competition in the area, so they don't have to.

Most Poker rooms in Vegas offer little to no comps. Unlike slots, roulette, craps etc, there is little house edge .. so something called a rake exists to pay for the dealers, the room etc. Poker is close to the least profitable game in the house. Most Indian run casinos in Florida (perhaps all) do not offer free drinks. Oxford runs a professional game. Cash and tournaments have a portion of either pots or entry fees that go to the house. Thats life. Very little difference if you travel to tampa to play at Seminole.

Its unfortunate that the OP raised an age old can or worms by trying to promote what must be his . hers penny ante Village game. Poker players in the Villages know where games are, and certainly dont need to go through another round of grief raised by gambling trolls. Bunko, Pokeno, Bingo and many other games in the Villages push small amounts of money around in the spirit of fun and camaraderie. Poker games do the same. There is no house rake, there is a maximum amount of money you can "lose", which in ALL the players opinions is nominal.

I would "wager" that there is more money exchanged on the golf courses than there is in all of the table games played in the rec centers. Let adults choose their pastimes and enjoy life. Thanks again OP for a very misplaced post.

[DaddyD]

Originally Posted by kappy

There is no rake at any of The Villages Hold’em or Gin Rummy Games. All proceeds are distributed among the many winners.

yes, but as I wrote earlier, I don't own in The Villages and therefore not eligible to participate in games played in various Rec Centers. But just a friendly edit to your comment--for every winner there has to be a loser.

[DaddyD]

Originally Posted by valuemkt

Most Poker rooms in Vegas offer little to no comps

Admittedly it's been a few years since I was last in Vegas, but what I was last there several did offer a few dollars per hour in food comps, and ALL offered free drinks. I'd love to hear your reasoning behind why it's entirely reasonable for Oxford Downs to charge for coffee, soft drinks, and water. Sure, it's a private business and they're entitled to run it anyway they want, but I'd hardly consider that customer-friendly. They are raking $200+ per hour off of each table, and they can't afford to give players a free cup of coffee or a soft drink?

Originally Posted by valuemkt

It's unfortunate that the OP raised an age old can or worms by trying to promote what must be his . hers penny ante Village game.

What's wrong with OPs post? He/she plays in or organizes a low limit game in a local rec center and are looking for players, what's the problem with that?

Originally Posted by valuemkt

Poker players in the Villages know where games are.

If you're referring to games run anywhere else besides Oxford Downs that's not true. I'm a poker player and I don't know of any good home games in the area.

Originally Posted by valuemkt

I would "wager" that there is more money exchanged on the golf courses than there is in all of the table games played in the rec centers. Let adults choose their pastimes and enjoy life. Thanks again OP for a very misplaced post.

I agree with everything you wrote in the last paragraph except the last sentence.

[DaddyD]

Originally Posted by Babubhat

Low limit game players at Oxford are only there to win the promotions. Otherwise the rakes will crush you. The pots you win will be too small to overcome it

100% agreed.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by nick demis

Hey, what's your problem with craps. Best game in the casino. LOL

No problem unless there loaded.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by villagetinker

I did not think gambling was allowed in the Rec Centers.

As long as it’s consider tournament I think it’s not considered casino gambling where you can’t loose you’re shirt in one game? Year or so ago there was couple 100 dollar entry fee 9 ball pool tournaments. Usually they run 10 bucks or so? I think that’s how the many bingo games around villages are allow?

[Doug R]

Originally Posted by duffysmom

Laurel Manor Texas Hold’Em on Friday's 12:30 and Saturday and Sunday at 5:30 will now be $10.00 per game.

All are welcome, new player's can sit and watch or play to learn the game from experienced players.

Is this still going on? I’ll swing by tomorrow to see (and hopefully play).

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

IMO Wouldn’t any tournament you enter and have pay fee be considered gambling? I don’t see any different than bingo game, golf tournament, pool tournament, card game club/tournament or any other game you pay fee to enter to play. No different s than playing lottery scratch offs (course the odds of winning slim to none) You pay and take chance to win. Now if it was underworld numbers game, dice game or roulette where game can be loaded different story IMO.

I play in 3 or 4 illegal dice games , 3 are in the Orlando area and another west of here in the country , I can tell you I trust the dice as well or even better then Vegas , because there always appears to be many well armed participants including the guys running the games who would not be happy with cheating lol, Go Bucs Go Dodgers