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metoo21 10-15-2023 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2265521)
You used shark bite fittings and suggest you've improved your original installation?

Most real plumbers would disagree.
And at least some DIY'ers :beer3:

ron32162 10-15-2023 10:35 AM
Its called a accident waiting to happen, cheep and quick to install.

BrianL99 10-15-2023 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 2265524)
Mike Scott Plumbing replaced my water heater using shark bite fittings.
I guess they are not real plumbers?
There you go!

If the shoe fits.

Bill14564 10-15-2023 10:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2265521)
You used shark bite fittings and suggest you've improved your original installation?

Most real plumbers would disagree.
Looking at the mechanical design, yes this is an improvement over the original installation.

Looking at the alternative for installing a brass fitting on a PVC pipe, the Sharkbite looks to have a better chance of success.

Looking at the number of post noting successful installations compared to the number mentioning problems, the Sharbite seems to be reliable.

metoo21 10-15-2023 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2265533)
Looking at the alternative for installing a brass fitting on a PVC pipe, the Sharkbite looks to have a better chance of success.
Check out the Brasscraft link I posted above. It is a brass valve designed to be glued onto CPVC.

retiredguy123 10-15-2023 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by metoo21 (Post 2265512)
I have 17 of these to replace. Don't forget the garage sink and behind the refrigerator.

I ordered these last week: Brasscraft 1/2 in. CPVC Inlet x 3/8 in. Comp Outlet 1/4-Turn Angle Ball Valve. They have a metal ball valve and glue onto the PCVC. I don't trust shark bite - which is the same type of connection as these popup valves. Should you ever need to replace these, the valve body will unscrew from the CPVC "adapter" part of the valve.

Although this video shows removal on copper pipe, the same technique works on CPVC. Pipe is in better condition after removal than if you spin off the valve.
Super Easy Replacement of plastic valve
I recounted and my house has 12 valves. I missed the 2 under the garage sink. 3 in each of the 2 bathrooms, 3 under the kitchen sink, one behind the refrigerator, and 2 under the garage sink.

Hape2Bhr 10-15-2023 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2265538)
I recounted and my house has 12 valves. I missed the 2 under the garage sink. 3 in each of the 2 bathrooms, 3 under the kitchen sink, one behind the refrigerator, and 2 under the garage sink.
Would your shower/tub also have two more shutoffs in the wall?

Bill14564 10-15-2023 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by metoo21 (Post 2265535)
Check out the Brasscraft link I posted above. It is a brass valve designed to be glued onto CPVC.
I didn't realize glue would hold - must be it will. Looks like a viable option.

Pros:
- Looks easy to install
- Installed correctly (not too difficult) should be reliable and leak-free

Cons:
- Replacement requires cutting it off which may not leave enough pipe for a replacement

Topspinmo 10-15-2023 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Hape2Bhr (Post 2265540)
Would your shower/tub also have two more shutoffs in the wall?

I highly doubt that the shutoff controlled shower/tub control valves.

retiredguy123 10-15-2023 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Hape2Bhr (Post 2265540)
Would your shower/tub also have two more shutoffs in the wall?
Showers and tubs do not have shutoff valves.

Note that any plumbing valve in your house must be accessible. Hiding a valve behind a wall would violate the plumbing code.

Topspinmo 10-15-2023 11:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2265521)
You used shark bite fittings and suggest you've improved your original installation?

Most real plumbers would disagree.
Most use them, it new technology and they have tool to easily unlock them. Most can do it with little skills. For not skilled yes call plumber and he will just pull old one off clean pipe and push another brand on.

Topspinmo 10-15-2023 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2265544)
I didn't realize glue would hold - must be it will. Looks like a viable option.


Cons:
- Replacement requires cutting it off which may not leave enough pipe for a replacement
Which usually means not too much pipe sticking out of wall. Cutting it off means less or none left in some cases. IMO easier to just use the push ons. They can easily be removed 15 years or more later.

Topspinmo 10-15-2023 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2265426)
Suggest you replace all with standard valves.
Standard valves has proven track record leaking and corroding at joints. IMO they last less than pvc glued and push ons that are easily replaced. Problem with glued the valve weakest links have no option cut it off which shortens the supply line pipe.

metoo21 10-15-2023 12:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2265544)
I didn't realize glue would hold - must be it will. Looks like a viable option.

Pros:
- Looks easy to install
- Installed correctly (not too difficult) should be reliable and leak-free

Cons:
- Replacement requires cutting it off which may not leave enough pipe for a replacement
There is a CPVC liner in the glue on end so it is CPVC to CPVC joint. See attached Spec Sheet.

It does not require cutting the pipe for removal. The body unscrews from the end glued onto the pipe. All seems like a win/win.

coffeebean 10-15-2023 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2265375)
We had a plumber out recently to reinstall sink pipes after replacing countertops.

He pushed us to replace the plastic fittings ad house is 14 years old. Wanted $ 100 each for about 10. Went on and on about how flimsy they are and an accident waiting to happen.

Should we replace them?
$100 for each seems too expensive. I don't recall what we paid a plumber but it surely wasn't that.

coffeebean 10-15-2023 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by matandch (Post 2265453)
Make sure you know where main and all fixture shut off valves are. Copper pipes deteriorate and fail after about 25-30 years. It’s a common problem in Florida. Mine failed under the house slab beneath a bathroom and flooded 3 rooms because I didn’t know where the main shut off valve was. $30k in damage.
Do we have copper pipes in these homes? I thought all were PVC pipes even in the slabs. I may be wrong. Our home was built in 2007.

coffeebean 10-15-2023 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2265514)
In case you haven't noticed, no one has ever accused The Village's Developer of being a quality builder. They throw up junk, as fast and as cheaply as they can.

For most builders, "Building Code" is a bare minimum level of professionalism. For TV builds, "Code" is moving target.
Are you talking about the newer builds or the homes that are at least 15 years old? Our home seems to be built like a rock. The only cheap materials used in our home are those push/pull shot off valves. But.......what do I know?

coffeebean 10-15-2023 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by maggie1 (Post 2265516)
I have replaced all these valves in our patio villa with a shark bite valve. I'm no plumber, but this was one of the easiest DIY projects I've ever addressed. There is a way the valve can slide off of the pipe, but I found it easier to simply use a small pipe cutter to cut the valve, remove it, and then slide the shark bite valve onto the pipe. Be sure to use a braided metal replacement line from the valve to the faucet or you will be defeating the purpose of having a leakproof system.

Shark bites are available at Ace Hardware, but I was able to purchase several of them in a package through Amazon at a much cheaper rate. I've also replaced all of the valves for my neighbor, so I've become pretty proficient with this project.
I prefer the valves that function with a 1/4 turn. Those are the ones our plumber used. They work great.......so far. Easy peasy to turn on and off and have not leaked at all.

coffeebean 10-15-2023 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Hape2Bhr (Post 2265540)
Would your shower/tub also have two more shutoffs in the wall?
How do you access those valves if they are in the wall?

retiredguy123 10-15-2023 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2265571)
How do you access those valves if they are in the wall?
There are no valves inside the wall. Showers and tubs do not have shutoff valves.

Bogie Shooter 10-15-2023 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2265568)
Do we have copper pipes in these homes? I thought all were PVC pipes even in the slabs. I may be wrong. Our home was built in 2007.
I’m guessing he is talking about……….
Location: Highland Lakes, Leesburg, Florida

coffeebean 10-15-2023 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2265574)
There are no valves inside the wall. Showers and tubs do not have shutoff valves.
That makes more sense. Thanks.

maggie1 10-16-2023 04:19 AM
Should I Replace Them?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2265375)
We had a plumber out recently to reinstall sink pipes after replacing countertops.

He pushed us to replace the plastic fittings ad house is 14 years old. Wanted $ 100 each for about 10. Went on and on about how flimsy they are and an accident waiting to happen.

Should we replace them?
I'd say that you should replace them even if they aren't leaking at present. However, you can fix the problem yourself by installing a Shark Bite valve and a braided metal water line for each outlet. I replaced all the valves in our house and it probably cost me less than $100 and that was for materials.

TheWarriors 10-16-2023 05:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2265514)
In case you haven't noticed, no one has ever accused The Village's Developer of being a quality builder. They throw up junk, as fast and as cheaply as they can.

For most builders, "Building Code" is a bare minimum level of professionalism. For TV builds, "Code" is moving target.
You’re home must have really been poorly built. Having built four other homes prior to TV, I can say my home was built very well.

midiwiz 10-16-2023 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MrLonzo (Post 2265300)
(see photo)
I've never seen plumbing fittings like this before (bathroom and kitchen sinks). Are they shutoff valves? If so, how do they work? Or better yet, what is the name of this fitting (so I can Google it)?

A more general question: is there such a thing as a homeowner 'user manual' that would answer questions like this?
yep and replace them with standard 1/4 turn you'll be better off going forward

BobnBev 10-16-2023 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2265379)
$1,000 would be about $150 for parts, $150 for profit on the parts, and $700 for labor. Even at $100/hour it doesn't seem like the job would take seven hours.

Probably not a bad idea to replace them (I have not but I'm thinking about it) but definitely worth getting additional quotes.
I'd replace the plumber, he's ripping you off.

Rodneysblue 10-16-2023 10:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrLonzo (Post 2265300)
(see photo)
I've never seen plumbing fittings like this before (bathroom and kitchen sinks). Are they shutoff valves? If so, how do they work? Or better yet, what is the name of this fitting (so I can Google it)?

A more general question: is there such a thing as a homeowner 'user manual' that would answer questions like this?
Yes, push/pull.

Bogie Shooter 10-16-2023 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Rodneysblue (Post 2265759)
Yes, push/pull.
Obviously didn't read beyond the first post.........................:doh:

galluccb 10-17-2023 08:25 AM
Shark bite combined valve with connector
 
Push pull

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I've never seen plumbing fittings like this before (bathroom and kitchen sinks). Are they shutoff valves? If so, how do they work? Or better yet, what is the name of this fitting (so I can Google it)?

A more general question: is there such a thing as a homeowner 'user manual' that would answer questions like this?[/QUOTE]

Stu from NYC 10-17-2023 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 2265740)
I'd replace the plumber, he's ripping you off.
I didn't trust the quote and thought he was rather pushy.

EHS210 10-17-2023 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by galluccb (Post 2265956)
Push pull

UOTE=MrLonzo;2265300](see photo)
I've never seen plumbing fittings like this before (bathroom and kitchen sinks). Are they shutoff valves? If so, how do they work? Or better yet, what is the name of this fitting (so I can Google it)?

A more general question: is there such a thing as a homeowner 'user manual' that would answer questions like this?
[/QUOTE]

They are Accor FlowTite fittings. Two styles. One with a crimped on (non removable supply line), the other with 1/2" nom. x 3/8" O.D. Comp. Cap

FlowTite(R) 4ALL Angle Stop Valve 1/2" nom x 3/8" | ACCOR Technology

EHS210 10-18-2023 07:17 AM
They are Accor FlowTite valves

kcrazorbackfan 12-11-2023 11:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrLonzo (Post 2265300)
(see photo)
I've never seen plumbing fittings like this before (bathroom and kitchen sinks). Are they shutoff valves? If so, how do they work? Or better yet, what is the name of this fitting (so I can Google it)?

A more general question: is there such a thing as a homeowner 'user manual' that would answer questions like this?
Just had all of mine replaced today by Mike Scott Plumbing. Found one of the push/pull valves leaking; replaced it with 1/4 turn valves.

retiredguy123 12-11-2023 11:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2265375)
We had a plumber out recently to reinstall sink pipes after replacing countertops.

He pushed us to replace the plastic fittings ad house is 14 years old. Wanted $ 100 each for about 10. Went on and on about how flimsy they are and an accident waiting to happen.

Should we replace them?
Actually, your house probably has at least 12 of the push-pull valves. I have not had an issue, so I do not plan to replace them. But, I am sure you can find someone who will do it for a lot less than that.

kcrazorbackfan 12-11-2023 07:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2281571)
Actually, your house probably has at least 12 of the push-pull valves. I have not had an issue, so I do not plan to replace them. But, I am sure you can find someone who will do it for a lot less than that.
$69.99 per valve from Mike Scott
Plumbing.

Bilyclub 12-11-2023 08:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by matandch (Post 2265459)
Make sure you know where main and all fixture shut off valves are. Copper pipes deteriorate and fail after about 25-30 years. It’s a common problem in Florida. Mine failed under the house slab beneath a bathroom and flooded 3 rooms because I didn’t know where the main shut off valve was. $30k in damage.


Pretty sure most of the houses in TV have plastic pipe under the slabs.


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