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RuthA 04-18-2020 12:16 PM
Too stupid to even warrant a response. You must have been smoking pot while you were walking.

Mumbles 04-18-2020 12:17 PM
Since . . .
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by speedo8357 (Post 1748420)
You don’t need a medical degree to espouse common sense. How many degrees do the modelers of those doom and gloom projections, foreseeing 2 million + dead, have? Deaths now projected at no more than a common flu season. The numbers don’t add up, so it’s becoming increasing difficult to maintain faith in models and projections, and forestall my civil liberties based on fallacies.


since very few of us, I assume, have NO CLUE AT ALL as to the type of college degrees statisticians and mappers have glomed onto-- your point is ABSOLUTELY "moot" See Google response to word meaning: having little or no practical relevance, typically because the subject is too uncertain to allow a decision.
"the whole matter is becoming increasingly moot"

Aces4 04-18-2020 12:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by speedo8357 (Post 1748420)
You don’t need a medical degree to espouse common sense. How many degrees do the modelers of those doom and gloom projections, foreseeing 2 million + dead, have? Deaths now projected at no more than a common flu season. The numbers don’t add up, so it’s becoming increasing difficult to maintain faith in models and projections, and forestall my civil liberties based on fallacies.
This logic is what was forecasted if our nation did isolate as requested and squelch the virus’s spread quickly. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Mumbles 04-18-2020 12:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by speedo8357 (Post 1748420)
You don’t need a medical degree to espouse common sense. How many degrees do the modelers of those doom and gloom projections, foreseeing 2 million + dead, have? Deaths now projected at no more than a common flu season. The numbers don’t add up, so it’s becoming increasing difficult to maintain faith in models and projections, and forestall my civil liberties based on fallacies.
I feel rather certain that you can find the same statistics of the average number of flu deaths there have been over many decades: 10,000 to 40,000. And those who will pass from this past year's flu will only AUGMENT the total of flu victims.

Villagelee 04-18-2020 12:23 PM
I'm thinking some do not understand satire. Really got a kick out of this...and I am one of the ones not willing to risk socializing at this time. Thanks for the laugh.

sallybowron 04-18-2020 12:24 PM
You forgot to mention that these infected people can pass it on to other, so often oldies, and kill a lot more people. You mention a few percent of the people will die. If you are in that group would it still be alright. I think not!

Aces4 04-18-2020 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by skarra (Post 1748250)
I understand there is a lot of frustration at staying at home, and some wonder is it worth it? i.e. is the cure worse than the disease, and is it worth giving up our civil liberties?

Here's my idea on making everyone happy. If I were President I would propose the following starting May 1st -

1. People who are compromised or don't feel they wish to play Russian roulette - stay at home like you have been doing already. They will need to stock up on TP, and keep watching Netflix etc. for the entire month of May.

2. For the others who do not fear the virus because they are young, healthy, or just feel immune to it all - we setup Covid-19 stations and beginning May 1st they line up to get their dose of infection. They need to be infected because by May 31st, they will get a card that says they are now immune and can now do whatever they want from that point on - go to parks, go to restaurants and bars (populated with like minded people), get back to work and even visit beaches - they will have all their freedoms back because they can not spread anything. It will be a small price to pay (1% or 2% deaths), but that is what Darwinism is all about. And if they really are strong, there's nothing to worry about.


Now the "participants" have to get infected beginning May 1st because we need to know for certain by May 31st that they had it and survived with immunity. After that they can either enjoy life, or do useful community service for the rest of the people still stuck at home by doing gardening and home delivery of groceries and restaurant orders. Maybe we pay them people $600 per week until they discover a vaccine for everyone else. The big plus is that the folk in 2. will have contributed to herd immunity and they will forever go down as heroes. (statues in every park?) For people in group 1., they will wait a little longer for the vaccine and with so many of the herd now "neutralized" they will not need to worry so much about making the occasional trip outside.

What do you think? Who's ready to start lining up for their dose of Covid-19 beginning May 1st?

I think this solves all the problems ... that's what all this walking has done to me. Given me time to solve the worlds problems.
As soon as I read “them people” my eyes glazed over and I thought I’d rather the people who are in charge remain in charge.

iafriedman 04-18-2020 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by skarra (Post 1748250)
I understand there is a lot of frustration at staying at home, and some wonder is it worth it? i.e. is the cure worse than the disease, and is it worth giving up our civil liberties?

Here's my idea on making everyone happy. If I were President I would propose the following starting May 1st -

1. People who are compromised or don't feel they wish to play Russian roulette - stay at home like you have been doing already. They will need to stock up on TP, and keep watching Netflix etc. for the entire month of May.

2. For the others who do not fear the virus because they are young, healthy, or just feel immune to it all - we setup Covid-19 stations and beginning May 1st they line up to get their dose of infection. They need to be infected because by May 31st, they will get a card that says they are now immune and can now do whatever they want from that point on - go to parks, go to restaurants and bars (populated with like minded people), get back to work and even visit beaches - they will have all their freedoms back because they can not spread anything. It will be a small price to pay (1% or 2% deaths), but that is what Darwinism is all about. And if they really are strong, there's nothing to worry about.


Now the "participants" have to get infected beginning May 1st because we need to know for certain by May 31st that they had it and survived with immunity. After that they can either enjoy life, or do useful community service for the rest of the people still stuck at home by doing gardening and home delivery of groceries and restaurant orders. Maybe we pay them people $600 per week until they discover a vaccine for everyone else. The big plus is that the folk in 2. will have contributed to herd immunity and they will forever go down as heroes. (statues in every park?) For people in group 1., they will wait a little longer for the vaccine and with so many of the herd now "neutralized" they will not need to worry so much about making the occasional trip outside.

What do you think? Who's ready to start lining up for their dose of Covid-19 beginning May 1st?

I think this solves all the problems ... that's what all this walking has done to me. Given me time to solve the worlds problems.
Great

mjpuleo 04-18-2020 12:34 PM
No one has a definite answer to this

EdFNJ 04-18-2020 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 1748268)
That’s one of the most obnoxious posts yet. Remember karma - what you wish for others, comes back to you double.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Villagelee (Post 1748740)
I'm thinking some do not understand satire. Really got a kick out of this...and I am one of the ones not willing to risk socializing at this time. Thanks for the laugh.
The OP's post was quite obviously "tongue in cheek" or satirical or irreverant and not any more "obnoxious" than a lot of the opposite points of view posted here on TOTV yet s/he makes a very good point. Let those who want to run amok and "be free" and "Free the Villages" and be willing to give their lives for the rest of us (there were numerous posts saying they were willing to "live free or die for freedom and the American way and City Fire" in other threads) do so for the next 30 days and after a month the "herd" will sadly have learned a lesson and those remaining will likely be much smarter and probably thinner (in quantity not waistline). That's what they're asking for by just sending everyone "back to normal" just because they are so bored because they can't play pickelball and crowd into their favorite bars and restaurants.

I'm sure the big guy up north would love to hear that except he might lose a lot of his "peeps" before he really needs them by attrition.

Great post OP. I'm still chuckling how everyone unsurprisingly got sucked in by it.

ithos 04-18-2020 02:20 PM
Talk about being in the bubble.
 
I am surprised of how many Villagers are so self absorbed that they are completely indifferent to the devastation being inflicted on so many who have lost their jobs, life savings and pretty soon maybe even become homeless. Like Tucker said poverty kills people too. If you are so content in the social isolation scheme then keep doing it and you will not be affected by the adverse consequences of opening up the economy.

This is much more than "inconvenient" as Dr Fauci describes it.

We can only print money so long. If we end up in a great depression then the mighty economic engine that so many people take for granted may just collapse. If so then how would we support the massive health system that most retirees have become so addicted to. And with hyperinflation your SS checks will be worth a pittance of what it is today. We will become a third world nation if we wait until the virus is completely wiped out.

Places like Sweden and Austria seem to have navigated a much less severe course successfully so far. There are many areas in the US that are barely affected. Let's get them back to normal as fast as possible. Some plans will not work but we can learn lessons from them without risking a big resurgence of the disease and then apply it to areas with higher rates of infection.

We can not let our futures be determined by a cadre of bureaucrats who think and live in a vacuum.

DianeM 04-18-2020 02:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1748815)
The OP's post was quite obviously "tongue in cheek" or satirical or irreverant and not any more "obnoxious" than a lot of the opposite points of view posted here on TOTV yet s/he makes a very good point. Let those who want to run amok and "be free" and "Free the Villages" and be willing to give their lives for the rest of us (there were numerous posts saying they were willing to "live free or die for freedom and the American way and City Fire" in other threads) do so for the next 30 days and after a month the "herd" will sadly have learned a lesson and those remaining will likely be much smarter and probably thinner (in quantity not waistline). That's what they're asking for by just sending everyone "back to normal" just because they are so bored because they can't play pickelball and crowd into their favorite bars and restaurants.

I'm sure the big guy up north would love to hear that except he might lose a lot of his "peeps" before he really needs them by attrition.
The gates will not be thrown open. Regaining our liberties will be a gradual process

. Have two weeks of lower reported deaths or illness
. Phase 1 - similar to what is now. Few stores open but social distancing remains as does limiting groups to 10 or less
. Phase 2 - more stores open including bars (that should make drunks happy) and some restaurants but with large spacing between
. Phase 3 - pretty much all is open again

All phases are in two week increments. If they start spiking in cases or deaths, all bets are off and they go back to lockdown

mollyb 04-18-2020 03:42 PM
Interesting. But.....The villages is a retirement community chuck- full of at risk seniors.

Bill Torres 04-18-2020 04:31 PM
I think you still need to walk some more!🤪

HelenLCSW 04-18-2020 05:35 PM
Immunity
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by skarra (Post 1748250)
I understand there is a lot of frustration at staying at home, and some wonder is it worth it? i.e. is the cure worse than the disease, and is it worth giving up our civil liberties?

Here's my idea on making everyone happy. If I were President I would propose the following starting May 1st -

1. People who are compromised or don't feel they wish to play Russian roulette - stay at home like you have been doing already. They will need to stock up on TP, and keep watching Netflix etc. for the entire month of May.

2. For the others who do not fear the virus because they are young, healthy, or just feel immune to it all - we setup Covid-19 stations and beginning May 1st they line up to get their dose of infection. They need to be infected because by May 31st, they will get a card that says they are now immune and can now do whatever they want from that point on - go to parks, go to restaurants and bars (populated with like minded people), get back to work and even visit beaches - they will have all their freedoms back because they can not spread anything. It will be a small price to pay (1% or 2% deaths), but that is what Darwinism is all about. And if they really are strong, there's nothing to worry about.


Now the "participants" have to get infected beginning May 1st because we need to know for certain by May 31st that they had it and survived with immunity. After that they can either enjoy life, or do useful community service for the rest of the people still stuck at home by doing gardening and home delivery of groceries and restaurant orders. Maybe we pay them people $600 per week until they discover a vaccine for everyone else. The big plus is that the folk in 2. will have contributed to herd immunity and they will forever go down as heroes. (statues in every park?) For people in group 1., they will wait a little longer for the vaccine and with so many of the herd now "neutralized" they will not need to worry so much about making the occasional trip outside.

What do you think? Who's ready to start lining up for their dose of Covid-19 beginning May 1st?

I think this solves all the problems ... that's what all this walking has done to me. Given me time to solve the worlds problems.
The problem with your proposal is that at this point we don’t know whether or not they will be immune or how long the immunity will last. All of the infectious disease specialists have expressed this concern. We are hoping that herd immunity will develop quickly but since this is a new virus we really don’t know. Also healthy people have also died so induced immunity thru exposure may actually kill more people than make them immune. That’s why it takes so long to test vaccines properly.


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