Originally Posted by perrjojo
:Just returned from Clearwater and had lunch with our dog on the patio. The reason he was with us is that we were traveling and it's too hot in the car. He was greeted with warm smiles, dog treats, and a nice cool bowl of water. There were no hand sanitizers on the table, no warnings bout washing our hand,no dirty looks and yes, the hostess and waiter did pet him. He lay under the table, quiet, unobtrusive and loved.
Ps I can't stand gum chewers...it's a common, vulgar habit.:
The subject is dogs in restaurants, think golf carts are in another thread..

Apples and oranges, let's get real....What in the world does the events in Boston, Texas, or Chicago have to do with dogs in Florida..Then there is gum chewing thing???..

Didn't see Boston, Texas, or Chicago mentioned when we were bragging about taking dogs in the Clearwater Restaurant..without any of the health requirements being followed..What about the concerns of other patrons???

What it has "to do with it" is that there are many posts complaining about golf speeding tickets, dogs in resturaunts, etc. if this is all we have to complain about; we do indeed have a blessed life. If you don't get the chewing gum part, well, you just don't get my sense of humor but that's ok.

I think it would be great if you would point this out to every dog person you see.

Key West allowed dogs in restaurants' outdoor seating ever since time. Was never illegal in KW if a resto wanted to permit it. We took our dogs to outside parts of restos there for a decade. Heck, they even allow chickens to run around their outside seating. Anyone ever eaten at Blue Heaven??? The only difference is that now that the state of FL has declared this is now legal statewide if you get a permit, all restaurants must now get a permit.

BTW, very useful website.
Thank you

What would you do if you saw a dog saving a chair for his human at one of the squares?

I think dogs are wonderful, but they are still an animal.....and NOT human.

Unless a person actually requires one by law and it is properly trained.....they should stay out of restaurants.

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Not sure what I would do, but to those who had the seat savers on their chairs at SS last weekend, if you are wondering who moved your seat savers and put the two rows in front of you, it was me.
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I could be wrong but I don't think anyone is required by law to have a dog, not yet anyway. Of course, in my village it is mandatory, but still not the law.

As far as the concerns of other patrons, I know there are some people who dislike dogs, for sure. However any time we take our dogs anywhere public, we have a constant stream of people wanting to pat them and ask questions about them. It's been our experience that The Villages is very pet friendly, and most people are warm and congenial and seem to enjoy pets.

Poorly worded probably, but I'm pretty sure you understood what I meant.

In other words, seeing eye/comfort and other dogs......that are covered under the law.

That doesn't mean, just because you feel like bringing your animal in where other people are eating.


As to your comment above...........be assured I wasn't in there at the same time. ;)


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Because I do have the good sense to know..... not to bring an animal into a restaurant.


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Dogs are great and don't think I have ever said they were not but they are dogs not people and at their best they are prone to licking and sniffing anything and everything including themselves and their waste as all animals do. Dogs have their place and it is obvious many badly need their companionship and become totally irrational if anyone doesn't agree that Fido or whoever is not just not the sweetest adorable thing ever was. A lot of other people feel threatened by them, even scared to death of them, or just don't care to have them in their face all the time even in places they are not allowed. Guess we could compare them to a smoker's second hand smoke being in your face if you do not smoke when someone put's their dog where it should not be. Those with dogs at least in this area are still in the minority not the majority even though it seems otherwise. Out of 20 homes nearby 5 have one or more dogs. As far as the constant stream of people wanting to pet them have we ever bothered to notice there are also a lot of people who do not wish to be near them.

Once again, Comfort Dogs are not afforded the same rights as Service Dogs. They are not the same thing.

Excellent post! :bigbow:


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Agree
 

Originally Posted by patty
"If anyone had a problem, they had the good sense to keep it to themselves."

As to your comment above.....[/b][/I]......be assured I wasn't in there at the same time. ;)

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Neither was I ....................

I see I need to simplify this for you. :doh:

If a dog is allowed by law to enter a restaurant....so be it.

If I don't like it, I'll leave.

Other than that, keep animals where they belong and out of restaurants.

If someone doesn't like that...they need to leave.

Is that better? :D

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Well, there you go.
Buh Bye

I see that you are comparing dogs that are permitted on a deck or patio of a restaurant, where they lie quietly under the table, to a Smoker's second-hand smoke being in your face, which is a known health hazard. :ohdear: I don't see the validity of that comparison.

As far as the original topic of this thread, three dogs in City Fire, the manager told me they were documented Service Dogs.

Dog Waste Health Hazard
 

If managers are not allowed to ask, as stated in the posts, how did he know they were documented Service Dogs?????

Dogs are likely more of an immediate risk to health than second hand smoke and it only takes one exposure to cause a problem. Read any of the following links for proof..and there are many more..owners want to eat with them fine with me but let's just follow the health laws that are for our protection. It would be absurd to say the dogs here are so clean it does not apply to them.

Health Risks
That leaves dogs. Officials know that they have a lot of educating to do before people realize their pooch can be a canine sewage pipe. Some people find it humiliating to carry a plastic bag.

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2011/...e-health-risk/

www.anapsid.org/zoonoses2.html

http://www.ehow.com/facts_5552007_he...dog-urine.html

The composition of dog urine is much the same as human urine, but dogs use their noses more than humans to understand the world around them. Their curiosity can cause them to contract infectious diseases; at least one of those can be passed on to humans.

Read more: Health Related Risks to Humans From Dog Urine

Thank you so much for the links, I always go to Scoopdedoo.com when I want the real truth-LOL

Really glad I could help...

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Taken From 3rd Web Link: There are health perils to owning pets -- a fact many pet owners seem to prefer to ignore, often choosing unbridled affection over hygiene.

Can't say for sure but they may have been regular customers. Restaurant managers usually remember these things. Often those with service dogs will voluntarily show their documentation but it isn't required nor can it be requested.

Yes, I also read your third link to Melissa Kaplan's Herb Care Collection.

Your first link "Health Risks" is for Scoopdedoo.com

Perhaps this link can provide real info The Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind

[QUOTE=Patty55;662678]Yes, I also read your third link to Melissa Kaplan's Herb Care Collection.

Thank you so much for the links, I always go to Scoopdedoo.com when I want the real truth-LOL



Really was done but : Maybe we need to click on the links again in your last post where they were copied or check your computer for major problems ...have no idea what we're talking about Herb Care??? LOL I think it is Herp

Melissa Kaplan's
Herp Care Collection
Last updated January 13, 2013
Pets Pose Health Hazards, Experts Warn

For the umteenth time, no one has a problem with true service animals helping anyone that has one..on the inside or outside as the laws provide for this

[QUOTE=KeepingItReal;662640][B]If managers are not allowed to ask, as stated in the posts, how did he know they were documented Service Dogs?????
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How on earth could I possibly respond to your question? I called the manager of City Fire. He told me the three dogs in question were documented service dogs. :ohdear: I have no reason to feel that he was lying.

I'm sorry, but I think you are prejudiced against dogs in general.

[quote=Barefoot;662693]He/she should know and nope, I have had dogs all my life and a Sheltie house dog for many years. We never took her to a grocery store or a restaurant and we didn't take her out to other places she should not be. Our dog never left our yard until her business was done and then we walked. Just gets old when people want to scoff at the laws, health warnings, and just do whatever they wish without regards for the rights and wishes of others. Though many with dogs want to ignore the health issues the people who don't have a dog understand the risks, take them seriously, and should not have to worry what is left on the floor, chairs, tables, etc. at a restaurant from the previous patron and their dog.

Again, no one has a problem with true service animals helping anyone that has one..on the inside or outside as the laws provide for this and these folks depend on these animals to go about their lives

[quote=KeepingItReal;662702]Absolutely, NOBODY should ever ignore a warning from Scoopdedoo.com

FYI-Service animals out of harness act like any other well-mannered dog. You wouldn't know the difference. In harness, they are "on the job".

[quote=Patty55;662705][quote=KeepingItReal;662702]

Absolutely, NOBODY should ever ignore a warning from Scoopdedoo.com

FYI-Service animals out of harness act like any other well-mannered dog. You wouldn't know the difference. In harness, they are "on the job".



There is an old saying that there are none so blind as those that refuse to see......

The Villages is pet friendly with two dogs allowed per household. Some restaurants allow well-behaved dogs on the patio. I don't understand why people who think pets are dirty and/or distasteful would choose to live in TV.

Turn that around and say a lot of people don't understand why people want to bring their dogs to a restaurant unless the restaurant is following the Florida Laws that allow it then it their choice to be there or not. If they are following the laws then no problem, if not then no dogs should be there on the patios. it is really pretty simple if you think about it. Being pet friendly does not mean there are no requirements about where they can and cannot go. Personally I don't enjoy seeing a dog clean themselves no matter how quietly and well behaved they are while doing so not to mention the urine and waste residue they leave, especially the urine dribbles where they sit or lay not to mention the occasional pile of waste left behind.
I am sure when we moved here we thought people would be respectful of others and not assume everyone's yard and all the public areas were set aside for their dogs including the cul de sac common areas.

Please (RE) Read Post #172

Dogs are great and don't think I have ever said they were not but they are dogs not people and at their best they are prone to licking and sniffing anything and everything including themselves and their waste as all animals do. Dogs have their place and it is obvious many badly need their companionship and become totally irrational if anyone doesn't agree that Fido or whoever is not just not the sweetest adorable thing ever was. A lot of other people feel threatened by them, even scared to death of them, or just don't care to have them in their face all the time even in places they are not allowed. As far as the constant stream of people wanting to pet them have we ever bothered to notice there are also a lot of people who do not wish to be near them.

I'll tell you why. Because we don't think the PETS are dirty, distasteful or anything else!!!! It's the numerous OWNERS who are the problem!

Every week there is another dog poop thread that accumulates dozens and hundreds of posts, with thousands of views, about the numerous inconsiderate, disrespectful, irresponsible dog owners who let their dogs crap on other people's lawns and rec center and pool/postal station lawns, and do not pick up after the dog, and their dog urine kills grass that has cost money to plant and maintain.

There have also been lengthy threads about the ignoramuses who pick up their dog's crap at the pool/postal station, and throw it into the trash cans by our postal boxes, creating a disgusting stench coming out of the trash cans. It's been discussed ad nauseaum whether there should be dog crap disposal receptacles there.

Then there have also been several threads about people wanting to keep dogs out of the town square dance and seating areas, because they have stepped in manure that the dog owners did not pick up, and what's a person going to do to get rid of manure off their shoes while there at the square?!?! Buy new shoes? Go to SweetBay and buy a spatula and toothpicks to dig and scrape the crap out from between all the treads? Or go home to get different shoes? Either way, that person's night is done when they step in a dog pile.

The real problem is that the limitation of only credentialed service dogs being allowed inside and outside restaurants in FL is disappearing, with various communities adopting ordinances allowing PET dogs, cats, and other pet animals to be in restaurant dining areas.

If that gets approved in TV, the irresponsible, selfish, egotistical "I don't give a damn" dog owners cited in all the infamous dog poop threads here will be "exercising their rights"....and there WILL be dog manure left under restaurant tables....or in walkways where servers carrying loaded food trays will slip on fresh dog crap and they will fall with food platters flying. All the dog poop threads here leave NO doubt this is what will happen if PET dogs and other animals are allowed in restaurant dining areas here in TV.

And already, the enablers here are making excuses for scofflaws.

:bigbow::bigbow::mademyday:

So, what's your point? Life goes on, whether a dog licks my ear, or pees on my bushes. The world has a lot more problems that should be addressed.
Just sayin--------:ohdear:

especially the urine dribbles----Dogs have dribbles?????? How about that!!!!!

I never studied a dogs privates to see if they dribble.

I hope I'm around with my video camera to catch that action:a040:
Great footage for Americas Funnies Videos, I might be the big winner:pepper2::pepper2:

There are probably more men in TV that have "dribbles" than dogs!

ILOVE TV - you have to be kidding me???

And I'm just curious - some people complaining are saying ok to service dogs, but have a problem with non/service dogs being dirty. Not sure how you can make that distinction?

ILOVETV - this all sounds like a "crock of s---" to me. Keep in mind that TV is comprised of folks who thought they were moving to a really tolerant, friendly, and understanding community of like minded individuals. Old folks have pets and pets pee and poop outdoors, hopefully. You can't pick up pee but the poop is a different story - should be picked up and if not people should be fined. Remember, all those wild critters you don't believe are in TV are doing their number on your lawn. Loosen up and enjoy. No one really cares how cool your lawn looks but they do care about how "America"s friendliest hometown" looks to the next new neighbor. Just my humble opinion.

I have seen many posts saying that the restaurant cannot ask whether the dog is a service dog. That is not correct. From the ADA requirements:
Revised ADA Requirements: Service Animals

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Service Animals Must Be Under Control

Under the ADA, service animals must be harnessed, leashed, or tethered, unless these devices interfere with the service animal’s work or the individual’s disability prevents using these devices. In that case, the individual must maintain control of the animal through voice, signal, or other effective controls.

Inquiries, Exclusions, Charges, and Other Specific Rules Related to Service Animals
When it is not obvious what service an animal provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. Staff cannot ask about the person’s disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task."

So the restaurant can ask if the animal is a service dog related to a disability but cannot ask what the disability might be although it can ask what special skill the animal has acquired (that would seem to indirectly identify most disabilities)

Therapy dogs are not service or assistance dogs. Service dogs directly assist humans and have a legal right to accompany their owners in most areas. In the United States, service dogs are legally protected at the federal level by the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. Therapy dogs do not provide direct assistance and are not mentioned in the Americans with Disabilities Act