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rubicon 08-09-2012 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeod (Post 536911)
I'm afraid the AAC has opened a large can of worms with this vote. If residents can ignore deed restrictions as far as signs are concerned, what other restrictions can be ignored? Turn your home into a storefront with the traffic that will occur? Cut down that ancient, pesky live oak that drops leaves into your pool? Install that 14' windmill in the front yard you've always wanted? Let that hedge grow to 20' blocking your neighbor's view? Why not?

Also of concern is that the AAC decision opens the district to lawsuits. I would expect the Morse's to file suit over each and every violation of the deed restrictions and be joined by homeowners doing the same. How long will it take before we are spending a lot of amenity monies trying to justify not enforcing existing deed restrictions.

Yes, we are an older population, and there will be circumstances when we have to sell a home. If the deed restriction on signs is so onerous, perhaps it would have been better to not buy here. Somehow, I don't see a large build-up of pre-owned homes inventory here. I also don't see the outside realtors going out of business because of the lack of signs here. And doesn't the developer also adhere to the "12X12 window only" restriction?

Apparently, a signature on the bottom line accepting these restrictions means nothing anymore. I didn't think we were the generation that decided to ignore rules when they became "inconvenient". I served a president of a homeowners association in CA and I can tell you truthfully that if you allow the slightest deviation from a deed restriction, someone will take advantage of it. And if you try to enforce it, they will point to that exemption and you will lose.

mikeod: spot on...that was my concern. Obviously this is an argument between the Developer's Home Sales Unit vis a vis other Realtors. I would suggest there is a solution to their dispute. However to drag district 1-4 and there was mention of District 5 into this fray and to challenge Deed Restritions, et is a vey dangerous game.

I have not been a big fan of the Developer from the standpoint of a consumer because of the monopoly he holds in Sumter County . As I have said it is good to be the king and as such I looked forward to when he stepped down.

However after the AAC decision concerning this issue it gives me reason to pause and wonder if perhaps we are better having the king.

Finally as I recall a member took a poll on this very issue on another thread and the overwhelming majority wanted the restriction on signage to stay in place.

Ciao All (tha't what Southern Italians say Y'all)

Madelaine Amee 08-09-2012 10:39 AM

Real Estate Signs
 
Under the District Supervisors to Hear Sign Issue it states:

"Supervisors in District 1 through 4 will hear the issue Friday at the Sumter Landing District Office located at 1894 Laurel Manor Drive in The Villages".

If not the public, who are they going to hear from? I'm assuming there will be interested parties waiting to be "heard".

Poorly written ................ confusing.

njbchbum 08-09-2012 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rhood (Post 536953)
You can read the AAC agenda and minutes on the District's web site.

not for at least another month! the minutes do not often get posted in a timely fashion. the minutees for the July 16, 2012 Amenity Authority Committee Budget Workshop have not even been posted yet. i doubt the 8/7 mtg minutes will be posted in time for residents to review them before their cdd meetings!

njbchbum 08-09-2012 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 536963)
mikeod: spot on...that was my concern. Obviously this is an argument between the Developer's Home Sales Unit vis a vis other Realtors. I would suggest there is a solution to their dispute. However to drag district 1-4 and there was mention of District 5 into this fray and to challenge Deed Restritions, et is a vey dangerous game.

I have not been a big fan of the Developer from the standpoint of a consumer because of the monopoly he holds in Sumter County . As I have said it is good to be the king and as such I looked forward to when he stepped down.

However after the AAC decision concerning this issue it gives me reason to pause and wonder if perhaps we are better having the king.

Finally as I recall a member took a poll on this very issue on another thread and the overwhelming majority wanted the restriction on signage to stay in place.

Ciao All (tha't what Southern Italians say Y'all)

rubicon/mike -
1] do either of you reside or own property in the villages cdds 1-5 and/or in lady lake/lake county villages? if not, why do you even care or are you concerned about the signage issue in those areas.
2] does the aac make decisions that impact your cdd in the villages?
3] are either of you concerned that after the developer turns governance over to your cdd, that he can come in and just change your deed restrictions?
4] re the poll - unless the poll was restricted to impacted members, it has no bearing on the impacted residents and villages - does it?

RedChariot 08-09-2012 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Roaddog53 (Post 536807)
With all the housing for sale and rentals out there, neighborhoods will look like highway billboards now. I think IMHO it will open up even more issues. Where will it stop? What about political signs, or any sign someone wants to display now. I like the pristine look myself as the Morse family tried to say.

Well said. Many came here because it is a well groomed, pristine environment. This is not going to look good. very very surprized by the vote.

bkcunningham1 08-09-2012 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RedChariot (Post 537031)
Well said. Many came here because it is a well groomed, pristine environment. This is not going to look good. very very surprized by the vote.

RedChariot, the vote only effects the area where signs have been allowed anyway. This just says keep doing what you've been doing.

cathyw 08-09-2012 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 536959)
Correct me if I am wrong Cathy. I don't think it is at Laurel Manor Rec Center..and I am not sure it is open to the public, but I could be wrong.

I think that it says that "Supervisors in districts that are responsible for deed restriction enforcement are being asked to decide if they want to enforce the the restriction on yard signs.

Supervisors in District 1 through 4 will hear the issue Friday at the Sumter Landing District Office Boardroom located at 1894 Laurel Manor Drive in The Villages.

District 1 meets at 8 a.m., followed by district 2 at 9:30 a.m., District 3 at 11:00 and District 4 at 1:30 p.m. District 5 meets Aug. 17 at 8 a.m. in the same location.

If you'd like to contact your supervisors to express your views on the sign issue, they can be reached at the following email addresses;

District 1: dist1board@district gov.org

District 2: dist2board@district gov.org.

District 3: dist3board@district gov.org

District 4: dist4board@district gov.org

District 5: dist5board@district gov.org." end of quote from The Daily Sun article August 9,2012

Gracie,
Thanks for pointing out the correct address. It is NOT in the Laurel Manor REC CENTER, it is across the way from the rec center. Coming from Buena Vista, turn in towards the Laurel Manor Rec Center, but make the 1st right into 1894 Laurel Manor Drive.

Here's the link to the agenda for the meeting.... definitely appears to be open to the residents. Remember, the CDD board is elected to represent the residents.
(We are talking about the older CDD's which have been turned over to the residents)
This thread does not really concern those that live in CDDs 6 thru 10 where nothing is being changed.
Currently, certain Villages are allowed to have signs and they STILL HAVE these signs. If you like the way TV looks RIGHT NOW, there will not be any change if the rules are not enforced.(CHANGED). I love the way the Villages look right now...it's been like this for 20+ years....lets leave it that way. The alternative might be costly.

Item 11 refers to this issue being discussed.
http://www.districtgov.org/PDFView/P...20120810030201

justjim 08-09-2012 01:37 PM

Those of us who live south of 466 probably should stay out of the "fray." One quick point. You are allowed (south of 466) to put up Open House signs for the time you are having an open house. We did and also an advertisement in The Daily Sun. The Villa in Caroline we owned was sold the second week we had an open house. In TV, the open house concept seems to work very well. It did for us. Yes, we did have a regular for sale by owner sign in the window. Someone posting on this Thread mentioned a build out in 1 or 2 years. For what its worth, I think its more like 5 or 6 years.

cathyw 08-09-2012 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 537091)
Those of us who live south of 466 probably should stay out of the "fray." One quick point. You are allowed (south of 466) to put up Open House signs for the time you are having an open house. We did and also an advertisement in The Daily Sun. The Villa in Caroline we owned was sold the second week we had an open house. In TV, the open house concept seems to work very well. It did for us. Yes, we did have a regular for sale by owner sign in the window. Someone posting on this Thread mentioned a build out in 1 or 2 years. For what its worth, I think its more like 5 or 6 years.


Good points !

Mikeod 08-09-2012 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cathyw (Post 536948)
The main issue is that ALL VILLAS north of 466 and several Villages, including Santiago, Santo Domingo and Rio Grande, to name a few, have in their current deed restrictions that they ARE ALLOWED to have signs in their front yard.
This is only affecting a small part of the Villages, yet so many are up in arms.
So, come to the meeting,and you will hear the arguments for both sides.

I have looked at all the deed restrictions for Districts 1 & 2 in which the Villages of Santiago, Santo Domingo, and Rio Grande are located. EVERY section (except Villas) has the same prohibition on signs other than owner's name in Section 2.13 or 2.14. Please refer me to the appropriate sections on these deeds that allow signs other than owner's name.

I think the reason so many are up in arms is that a representative body has indicated it chooses to not enforce restrictions that were in place when the properties were purchased. If it can do this with signs, what other deed restrictions will it deem inconvenient in the future? There are many people that specifically bought here because the deed restrictions, in their mind, were appropriate and insured against the neighborhood changing in a manner they did not wish to see.

cathyw 08-09-2012 03:20 PM

Here it is for Rio Grande <( page 17 )
http://www.districtgov.org/images/De...o%20Grande.pdf

AGAIN, if the deed rectrictions were in place and everyone signed on , there would be NO iSSUE. The ISSUE is the fact that people signed deed restrictions 12 to 20 years ago, and now they MAY be changed,
If you live south if 466 , this issue does not affect you. The rules SOUTH of 466 will remain the same.

Mikeod 08-09-2012 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bkcunningham1 (Post 536935)

The slippery slope fallacy you give sounds good, except for the fact that these things you are saying haven't happened in all the years the restriction hasn't been enforced.

So, to me, now the board has set a policy for this one area of TV and the matter is settled. Do you live in Lake County/Lady Lake that this particular discussion is about? If not, then I suggest, very respectively, that you go to the appropriate meeting that does affect where you own in TV and voice your concerns.

Perhaps these things haven't happened as yet because some people were reluctant to violate a deed restriction. Now that the AAC has basically said it is OK to continue to put up signs in violation of the deed restrictions, why should any other restriction be any different?

The matter is definitely not settled, as seen by the admission of counsel that the developer and/or homeowners can legally sue to enforce the restrictions.

From prior posts I can see that you have a very vested interest in the restrictions being ignored. But I also have an interest in looking at TV as a whole community, not a collection of separate districts. I have seen the result of that in several communities where different developers built separate neighborhoods that were dramatically different from each other, dragging down the value and appearance of the whole area. I bought here because I believe deed restrictions as set forth are necessary for the long term success of this community.

janmcn 08-09-2012 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeod (Post 537173)
Perhaps these things haven't happened as yet because some people were reluctant to violate a deed restriction. Now that the AAC has basically said it is OK to continue to put up signs in violation of the deed restrictions, why should any other restriction be any different?

The matter is definitely not settled, as seen by the admission of counsel that the developer and/or homeowners can legally sue to enforce the restrictions.

From prior posts I can see that you have a very vested interest in the restrictions being ignored. But I also have an interest in looking at TV as a whole community, not a collection of separate districts. I have seen the result of that in several communities where different developers built separate neighborhoods that were dramatically different from each other, dragging down the value and appearance of the whole area. I bought here because I believe deed restrictions as set forth are necessary for the long term success of this community.

Didn't the recent legislation passed by the Florida legislature say that the deed restrictions have to be complaint driven? If so, it appears the developer doesn't have a stack of complaints.

cathyw 08-09-2012 03:40 PM

According to District Staff, Deed restrictions are STILL complaint driven.

njbchbum 08-09-2012 03:48 PM

mike - you live in caroline - when was the last time you were in any of the impacted areas BEFORE this issue arose? cathyw and i have each provided you reference to the deed restrictions that DO permit the signage in question - why can you not accept that it is there and that the developer is attempting to take it away?

the villages IS a collection of separate districts - thus, we have separate governing bodies! they share their unity in their sense of commUNITY!

in the original historic district there are other deed violation infractions besides for sale signs - and ya know what - the neighbors there DON'T have a problem with it!


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