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"Not all intersections are the same"---quite obvious. When an intersection is busy enough it earns a traffic light. Some earn turn arrows. "When vehicles are in the turn lanes of 466A, you cannot adequately see traffic coming straight through."---Disagree, and I drive it frequently--do you? But I agree with Village Thinker, moving the left turn lane over would improve visibility for everyone, since some people seem to have a problem with it. "Entering the intersection just to wait for the light to change so you can make the turn is absurd."----Don't remember saying THAT. But if I am the first car in line to make a left, I will pull up to the center line of the cross road, since I will turn on yellow if needed. Do you stay back at the end of the turn lane? If so, and since you state you cannot see what is coming, you then sit there as the light turns red? That is essentially a self imposed red turn arrow, except that you are imposing it on everyone behind you as well. "But I'm not going to change your mind, so there's no use discussing it."--actually, if you make a logical argument, you might. So far, it's an epic fail. "Turn arrows won't foul up traffic to the point of congestion. It's a preposterous statement in this area."---Really? People constantly are complaining about traffic, especially this time of year. So you think making a line of cars stop and wait 3 minutes when they might very well have been on their way does not add to congestion? Please rethink that one. "My opinion is that in certain intersections, turn arrows need to be implemented"---best statement in your post, since you are entitled to your opinion. But overall, I'll give you a 3 on a scale of 10. Maybe we should waltz instead of tango:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: |
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Back on topic, again, you posted "Turn arrows won't foul up traffic to the point of congestion. It's a preposterous statement in this area."---Do you live in a vacuum??? It should be 100% obvious that whenever you plant vehicles on a road that are doing nothing, it increases congestion. What do you think is happening in the turn lane behind you as you sit at a red arrow? Easy answer---it backs up further and further until the last cars have their rear ends hanging out stopped in the left lane of the highway. How safe do you thin THAT is? You must have implicit trust that the cars approaching at 45+ mph are paying attention! And don't tell me it doesn't happen, because it just happened to me last week on 466 waiting to turn south on Morse. Even with my flashers on, I had a reasonable degree of concern that some bozo would be texting or daydreaming and run right into me. There is no red arrow at that intersection, and yet there were about 25 cars overflowing the left turn lane. Add a red arrow and now you have how many???? And how many more intersections will now experience this problem? Or do you still think that contention is "preposterous"??? How would you deal with the new widespread turn lane back ups---increase the green arrow time? That of course just backs up the traffic going straight even further. You see, cause and effect is a relatively simple principle. And don't tell me this paragraph is just "my opinion", because it is EXACTLY what would happen, it is inevitable just on the logistics alone. So if the mature, logical, coherent presentation above doesn't at least make you reconsider, at least do me 2 favors. 1) refrain from calling other posters names when you lose an argument 2) Please do not get ahead of me in a left hand turn lane:1rotfl::1rotfl: |
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Let me use turning left on BV from heading west on 466A as an example: I can see the light from over a mile away--this gives me a gestalt on whether the light will turn when or shortly after I arrive. If it is obvious that it is going to turn red, I even slow down a bit , let it change and wait for the arrow. As I approach the turn lane, even before entering it, I am observing and evaluating the traffic flow in the other direction. I know in advance if this is going to be an easy turn or near impossible, again , in the latter case, I stop short of the intersection and wait for the arrow. If the traffic in the other direction is light, I will pull up to the center line of the intersection, since I will be able to turn, and only rarely do I have to turn on yellow since I know what is coming in the other direction. Also, never turn your wheels left until you start to turn, otherwise you run the risk that a distracted driver will rear end you and push your car into the path of oncoming traffic. Even as I'm driving along 466A, I avoid riding side by side with another car--they are too unpredictable and there is very little reaction time if they do something stupid. I've been driving for 45 years and have never been in an accident BECAUSE I am aware of my surroundings, despite driving in NYC and Long Island most of those years. |
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"Entering the intersection just to wait for the light to change so you can make the turn is absurd."----Don't remember saying THAT. But if I am the first car in line to make a left, I will pull up to the center line of the cross road, since I will turn on yellow if needed. Do you stay back at the end of the turn lane? If so, and since you state you cannot see what is coming, you then sit there as the light turns red? That is essentially a self imposed red turn arrow, except that you are imposing it on everyone behind you as well. GE, I agree with most of what you say except that I think that it's against the law to wait in the middle of the intersection to make a left turn. I think the law states you cannot block the intersection. Please correct me if I am wrong. |
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