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JoeC1947 04-20-2013 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 663116)
Including this one we now have 120 posts and we still do not know how fast the OP was traveling when he received a ticket .

Can we assume that of one driving a golf cart travels in excess of 20mph (20.1.........) he/she can be ticketed
Why don't you call the OP and ask him? He posted his phone number in his first post.

CFrance 04-20-2013 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 663116)
Including this one we now have 120 posts and we still do not know how fast the OP was traveling when he received a ticket .

Can we assume that of one driving a golf cart travels in excess of 20mph (20.1.........) he/she can be ticketed
Over on my post about the friend who had to go to court, the guy who showed up a day late and was arrested got his original citation for going 23 mph. I no longer remember... what is the top speed limit for a golf cart? (We don't have one.)

Gerald 04-20-2013 03:49 PM
when a person buys a golf cart they are set correctly for 19.6 mph. Most they will go is 20 mph. To go faster someone had to move the limiter on the cart. That being said . The person who drives faster then the original speed knows that the speed has been changed. Getting a ticket always seems to happen. Then they complain. You want to go faster then enjoy the ticket.

Villageswimmer 04-20-2013 06:13 PM
On a related issue, is it illegal to pass walkers or bikes since it requires leaving the diamond lane?

CFrance 04-20-2013 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by naneiben (Post 663328)
On a related issue, is it illegal to pass walkers or bikes since it requires leaving the diamond lane?
That's a good question. I thought walkers were not supposed to be in the diamond lane if there is a sidewalk. Anybody? I don't know about bikes. Is there a minimum speed that must be maintained in the diamond lane?

paulandjean 04-20-2013 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 663355)
That's a good question. I thought walkers were not supposed to be in the diamond lane if there is a sidewalk. Anybody? I don't know about bikes. Is there a minimum speed that must be maintained in the diamond lane?
You could go 1 mph if you want. there is no set speed.

bluedog103 04-20-2013 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Gerald (Post 663226)
when a person buys a golf cart they are set correctly for 19.6 mph. Most they will go is 20 mph. To go faster someone had to move the limiter on the cart. That being said . The person who drives faster then the original speed knows that the speed has been changed. Getting a ticket always seems to happen. Then they complain. You want to go faster then enjoy the ticket.
When a person buys a cart they usually don't have speedometers. Not many of us can tell the difference between 19.9 and 20 mph, or 21, 22 or 23 mph simply by the way the cart drives. What, other than a flashing red light in your mirror, would make you suspect that your cart is too fast? There are plenty of carts out there cruising along at 12 to 16 mph so you wouldn't know by the number of slower carts out there. There are plenty of carts doing in excess of 25 mph so even if you're clipping along at 23 mph you're likely going to be passed frequently.

DonH57 04-20-2013 07:29 PM
I know it was posted on here before but I don't remember where. Someone posted that the diamond lane may be left to facilitate a left hand turn or to pass in a safe manner. I believe the poster quoted Lt. Wolfe from SCSO. I personally don't know he actually stated that. Quite frankly I would think walking in any active motor traffic lane would at best present a hazardous condition.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 04-20-2013 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 662034)
Speaking of that in comparison to other traffic laws I always wondered how if you drive 21 mph in a golf cart and the limit is 20 mph the "speeding ticket" becomes "driving an unregistered vehicle". If you are going 21 in a 20 zone in a car it's still called speeding. The dierence in fine amounts makes me question the intent of public safety measures as a automobile becomes a heavier projectile with speed. Maybe I'm confusing myself now but I dn't understand the fine ratio as per vehicle type. Maybe others understand. ?
A golf cart that is capable of going over 19.9 mph is classified as a "Low Speed Vehicle" and must be registered and have all of the same safety equipment as a car.

DonH57 04-20-2013 10:13 PM
Thanks Winston for that description on that statute. I guess my confusion is based on the way I posed the question or the way I wrote it. When I get a chance I'll get online and read the full statute on low speed vehicles.

LndLocked 04-20-2013 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 663370)
I know it was posted on here before but I don't remember where. Someone posted that the diamond lane may be left to facilitate a left hand turn or to pass in a safe manner. I believe the poster quoted Lt. Wolfe from SCSO. I personally don't know he actually stated that. Quite frankly I would think walking in any active motor traffic lane would at best present a hazardous condition.
I would be hard pressed to think of one single diamond lane with an adjacent sidewalk north of 466

Oh wait, I thought of one ..... Mulberry Ln. from BVB to Belle Meade Cr. .... total distance about 1/4 mile.

DonH57 04-21-2013 09:10 AM
I should clarify I not trying to say it's illegal for pedestrians to walk there. I just personally would not do it. I see people do it on one of our adjacent streets walking either facing against or with the direction of traffic.

George Bieniaszek 04-21-2013 09:21 AM
Lots of posts here from cart owners not knowing the true speed of their golf carts. If you don't have or do not wish to have a speedometer installed on your cart, you can borrow or mount your GPS on your cart to see what the top speed is. Also, if you have an I phone or Smart Phone, you can download a free app called Speedometer and check your speed that way.

Better to be in the know than reaching in your wallet to pay for the infraction.

LuckySevens 04-21-2013 10:55 AM
golf cart rules
 
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Originally Posted by Russ_Boston (Post 661972)
Goodie two shoes comments aside I think the bigger issue is that golf cart laws are archaic when it comes to golf cart communities like TV. These are not your average golf carts anymore. Many of us have seat belts, some have enclosures, some have beefed up brakes and suspensions etc. etc.

Does anyone really think 24 mph is too fast in the diamond lanes? I don't. I have one cart that is governed at 20mph and I get passed by 40% of drivers on Bailey Trail. I'm not mad at them and they do it safely. My other cart is capable of exceeding 20mph but I try to keep it around 22 or so but even that seems slow.

Let's remember this (and you can search this site for verification): We were once told for many years that it is better to NOT have seat belts in our golf carts. Lt. Wolfe of Sumter County would cite some outdated and not relevant video showing roll overs. Well times have changed and if you read the POA bulletin every month you'll see that seat belts DO help the vast majority of cart accidents. My point is that just because we have a law doesn't mean the law shouldn't be reviewed and amended based on new technology. I think it is time for that review. But in the meantime don't get caught speeding or driving an 'unregistered vehicle (that's a joke)'
Your comments make more sense to me than any of the 14 pages I read on this subject. What do we have to do to get 'them' to amend the golf cart laws.
If a car goes 2 or 3 miles over the limit, they seldom get a ticket, but if a golf cart speeds by 2 or 3 mph, it suddenly becomes a killing machine in the eyes of some people. I'm wondering if these do-gooders that are SO strict about the speed of golf carts NEVER speed in their motor vehicle. After all, it IS against the law. lol
On another subject, bicycles vs. golf carts.....I still think I am much safer driving my golf cart than someone is in a bicycle, yet cyclists without registration are allowed to drive on the street with cars and I cannot in my non registered golf cart. They are exempt from the frivilous rules because they don't have a motor. ??? Doesn't make any sense to me, just because it is the law. I would be terrified to be riding a bicycle on a main street in the traffic. There are some weird laws in Florida!!! Just sayin!

perrjojo 04-21-2013 12:22 PM
Things that make you go, hmmmmmmm! Why are people who think the rules and laws apply to EVERYONE, called "Goodie Two Shoes"? Some laws may be archaic and need to be changed but they need to be changed, not ignored.

paulandjean 04-21-2013 02:20 PM
OK,I admit it. I have driven 21mph.I might have driven my car a couple of miles over the speed limit sometime in my life.Shame,Shame,Shame.... I would never ever consider wearing seatbelts in a golf cart,to dangerous I would take my chance jumping out if that was the case.

TomW 04-21-2013 10:41 PM
Local lore has it that the fine for an unregistered vehicle is ~$750 but the owner can request time to present the court with a mechanic's certification that the vehicle has been modified so that it cannot exceed 20mph, the penalty is reduced to court costs for the first offense. I don't know if this is true but I've heard it often over the past years.

I have a street legal and when I am doing 25mph, I routinely get passed (doors blown off) by non-registered carts that are doing many mph more than me. I would guess they are operating in excess of 30mph. An acquaintance who works at a local cart dealership says most trade in carts have brakes that are completely shot and couldn't stop the cart under any sort of speed/load in an emergency.

If you must drive fast, consider seat belts and disc brakes!

vj1213 04-22-2013 10:08 AM
I guess many of you would consider me a "Goodie two shoes". Maybe sometimes I am. Regardless of who you are or where you live there will always be laws and rules. It's your choice whether you obey or not or b**** because the rules are stupid. Have I ever broken a rule...well certainly!! Do I always drive the speed limit...absolutely not (I've had a few tickets in my time). But never once have I complained when I was pulled over for breaking the law. I take responsibility for my actions and don't blame the law or the officer for doing his job. If the speed limit for carts was raised to 25mph, the same people would complain because it's not 30. And then there are those who just like to come on here with remarks to try and stir the pot. So basically the choice is yours, break the law...pay the price! If the law is ever changed I am sure many will just find something else to complain about.

looneycat 04-22-2013 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 663693)
Things that make you go, hmmmmmmm! Why are people who think the rules and laws apply to EVERYONE, called "Goodie Two Shoes"? Some laws may be archaic and need to be changed but they need to be changed, not ignored.
I would guess that it mostly applies to those who vigorously point out others misdeeds and non-adherence to rules so they can feel morally superior....

chilout

jtdraig 04-22-2013 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by johmer1 (Post 661832)
I was driving down bailey trail going towards the gate when a traffic police officer came out of hiding and pulled me over for driving my electric cart over the allowed 20 miles an hour. Since golf carts by state law cannot exceed 20 miles an hour and when it does it is no longer a golf cart but a motor vehicle. Has anyone out there in Sumter County have or had the same issue? I need to know what happened when you had to appear in court. How much was the fine and did you have to replace your motor for a slower one? Call me at 352 750-9514 or respond to this thread with advise for me before May 1. That is the date I have to go to court in Bushnell.
Best thing you can do is to get your cart governor altered and take the evidence to the Court to present to the Judge. I'd suggest being somewhat contrite and not arrogant. You will pay a fine plus court costs..which will probably be in the range of $400.00 or so. You may be assessed points on your insurance policy as well.

blueeagle65 04-22-2013 03:53 PM
I saw two cars pulled over for speeding on Buena Vista today. Thank you deputies. Go get em all! :police:

capecodbob 04-22-2013 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by blueeagle65 (Post 664417)
I saw two cars pulled over for speeding on Buena Vista today. Thank you deputies. Go get em all! :police:
How do know they were "speeding"?
Maybe they were driving in the left hand lane, not passing anybody, and going UNDER the speed limit.

And what's happened to America's Friendliest Home Town?

HMLRHT1 04-22-2013 05:17 PM
Just my two cents worth here. Someone has mentioned in this thread and in various similar threads that the people who get the tickets never post on here. Why should they when it basically turns into a lynch mob. Why would anyone want to subject themselves to all of this holier than thou rhetoric? It isnt informational when everyone says u deserve it. He asked a question, that's all. He know he has to face the judge.

gomoho 04-22-2013 05:23 PM
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holier than thou rhetoric
Oh, I like that and boy does it sum things up. I for one try to remember "there but for the grace of God go I".

OnTrack 04-22-2013 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 664469)
Oh, I like that and boy does it sum things up. I for one try to remember "there but for the grace of God go I".
I couldn't agree with both of you more. :thumbup:

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eremite06 04-22-2013 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by HMLRHT1 (Post 664467)
Just my two cents worth here. Someone has mentioned in this thread and in various similar threads that the people who get the tickets never post on here. Why should they when it basically turns into a lynch mob. Why would anyone want to subject themselves to all of this holier than thou rhetoric? It isnt informational when everyone says u deserve it. He asked a question, that's all. He know he has to face the judge.
I posted my ticket experience and took my medicine, not from posters, but from the lawful consequences.

Sure hope that the two cars that were stopped were not two "goody two shoes." :police:

Russ_Boston 04-22-2013 08:31 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again - I see way more problems in TV with drivers not going fast enough! I've been on Morse coming home from TVRH with a line of 10-15 cars bumper to bumper behind someone doing 20-22 mph down the 30 MPH road. And you can't pass on that stretch. Now someone tell me how that doesn't cause problems when that many cars are neck to neck.

Not a one-time occurrence. I see it 2 out of 3 days I work per week.

JoeC1947 04-23-2013 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Russ_Boston (Post 664597)
I've said it before and I'll say it again - I see way more problems in TV with drivers not going fast enough! I've been on Morse coming home from TVRH with a line of 10-15 cars bumper to bumper behind someone doing 20-22 mph down the 30 MPH road. And you can't pass on that stretch. Now someone tell me how that doesn't cause problems when that many cars are neck to neck.

Not a one-time occurrence. I see it 2 out of 3 days I work per week.
Just because the speed LIMIT is 30MPH doesn't mean you need to go 30MPH. Most of us are retired here and like to take our time and smell the roses. I must disagree with you though. When I'm on a two lane road going exactly the speed limit (I always use cruise control), I get passed on the right by almost everyone. I have to admit, it brings me some joy to see some maniac behind me trying desperately to pass. I used to be one of those maniacs but I finally realized how wrong that was in a retirement community as beautiful as this one. Ever notice the flowers in the round-a-bouts? Slow down you move too fast, got to make the morning last (as the song says). Leave a little early to compensate for slow drivers.

emconover 04-23-2013 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeC1947 (Post 664729)
Just because the speed LIMIT is 30MPH doesn't mean you need to go 30MPH. Most of us are retired here and like to take our time and smell the roses. I must disagree with you though. When I'm on a two lane road going exactly the speed limit (I always use cruise control), I get passed on the right by almost everyone. I have to admit, it brings me some joy to see some maniac behind me trying desperately to pass. I used to be one of those maniacs but I finally realized how wrong that was in a retirement community as beautiful as this one. Ever notice the flowers in the round-a-bouts? Slow down you move too fast, got to make the morning last (as the song says). Leave a little early to compensate for slow drivers.
If people are passing you on the right you do not belong in the left lane. The left lane is for passing. Keep right except to pass.

njbchbum 04-23-2013 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeC1947 (Post 664729)
Just because the speed LIMIT is 30MPH doesn't mean you need to go 30MPH. Most of us are retired here and like to take our time and smell the roses. I must disagree with you though. When I'm on a two lane road going exactly the speed limit (I always use cruise control), I get passed on the right by almost everyone. I have to admit, it brings me some joy to see some maniac behind me trying desperately to pass. I used to be one of those maniacs but I finally realized how wrong that was in a retirement community as beautiful as this one. Ever notice the flowers in the round-a-bouts? Slow down you move too fast, got to make the morning last (as the song says). Leave a little early to compensate for slow drivers.
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Originally Posted by emconover (Post 664837)
If people are passing you on the right you do not belong in the left lane. The left lane is for passing. Keep right except to pass.
joec1947 - such driving behavior is certain to provoke road rage; and it is a bloody shame that you or anyone would take some joy in provoking same!

am sure you are aware that on a road with more than one lane, the left lane is a passing lane and the right lane is for thru traffic...why then, do you not obey the rule of the road?

what is to be gained from driving like a moving speed bump other than aggrevating other drivers and provoking road rage within them?...unless of course you are a deputized county/state motor vehicle official on duty at the time you behave in such fashion - which i highly doubt.

tzangrilli 04-23-2013 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 664843)
joec1947 - such driving behavior is certain to provoke road rage; and it is a bloody shame that you or anyone would take some joy in provoking same!

am sure you are aware that on a road with more than one lane, the left lane is a passing lane and the right lane is for thru traffic...why then, do you not obey the rule of the road?

what is to be gained from driving like a moving speed bump other than aggrevating other drivers and provoking road rage within them?...unless of course you are a deputized county/state motor vehicle official on duty at the time you behave in such fashion - which i highly doubt.
Wrong, this is not an interstate. The left lane is also used to make left turns and to enter a roundabout properly. There are no minimum speeds required so you can go as slow as you want. Speed limit means maximum speed allowed.

Mango47 04-23-2013 12:25 PM
Does the "reasonable man concept" and "common cutesy" ring a bell? Slower traffic should always use the right lane unless turning left, passing or entering a rounder. Mango

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