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CFrance 04-29-2018 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pqrstar (Post 1538053)
Some people refer to a traffic circle as an intersection.

Thus the 1st exit is the same as making a right hand turn and you would be in the right lane to do so.

The 2nd exit is the same as going straight and continuing on the same road way. Thus of you have 2 lanes, both could go straight with each lane exiting from the same lane in which they entered.

The 3rd exit is the same as making a left turn. So you would need to be in the inside lane, just as you would at a regular intersection. You would exit from the inside lane.

ALL ENTERING TRAFFIC HAVE A YIELD SIGN and MUST YIELD TO YOU.

This explains how a person makes a left hand turn inside a traffic circle. (It by using the 3rd exit from which you entered the circle)

So, yes, YOU ARE CORRECT about continuous right turns, It is just that you need to enter AND exit in the proper lane according to the exit you plan to use.

This is the easiest way to understand a roundabout, and which lane you should be using to do what.

8notes 04-29-2018 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1537993)
I guess no one had told you that it is OK to turn right from the left lane in a roundabout.

Well anyway, you seem to have learned the lesson on your own. If you are in the right lane, you should always expect the person in the left lane to turn right in front of you. It happens to me all the time.

I assume you are joking.

retiredguy123 04-29-2018 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1537575)
:BigApplause::BigApplause:

100% agree if done on a national level
They could wipe out the national debt

Driving isn't fun any longer

To wipe out the national debt, you would need to collect about $66,000 from every person in the country, even those who don't drive.

8notes 04-29-2018 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by pqrstar (Post 1538053)
Some people refer to a traffic circle as an intersection.

Thus the 1st exit is the same as making a right hand turn and you would be in the right lane to do so.

The 2nd exit is the same as going straight and continuing on the same road way. Thus of you have 2 lanes, both could go straight with each lane exiting from the same lane in which they entered.

The 3rd exit is the same as making a left turn. So you would need to be in the inside lane, just as you would at a regular intersection. You would exit from the inside lane.

ALL ENTERING TRAFFIC HAVE A YIELD SIGN and MUST YIELD TO YOU.

This explains how a person makes a left hand turn inside a traffic circle. (It by using the 3rd exit from which you entered the circle)

So, yes, YOU ARE CORRECT about continuous right turns, It is just that you need to enter AND exit in the proper lane according to the exit you plan to use.

Thank you! Finally, someone who understands the rules. Great explanation. If only people could understand this and put it into practice.

photo1902 04-29-2018 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 8notes (Post 1538064)
I assume you are joking.

No joke. Perfectly legal. Read the pamphlet another user posted if you’re confused.

Polar Bear 04-29-2018 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 1538044)
No sense in trying to explain it to you....

You're absolutely right...you won't be able to explain your position.

Read the multiple posts correcting your incorrect assertions.

VApeople 04-29-2018 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1537993)
I guess no one had told you that it is OK to turn right from the left lane in a roundabout.

Well anyway, you seem to have learned the lesson on your own. If you are in the right lane, you should always expect the person in the left lane to turn right in front of you. It happens to me all the time.

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Originally Posted by 8notes (Post 1538064)
I assume you are joking.

As you gain more experience driving in our roundabouts, you will learn that I am not joking at all.

golfing eagles 04-29-2018 07:35 AM

As much as I hate to agree with PB, he (and pqr and photo) are 100% correct. The "exiting" from the left lane is all relative to where you entered and where you exit----the only time it is "wrong" is when you plan on exiting at the first 90 degree exit--in which case you should be in the right lane. But the most important point---the one that makes it all work---is that NO ONE SHOULD ENTER A RB WHEN THERE IS ONCOMING TRAFFIC IN EITHER LANE. YIELD MEANS YIELD!!! To do otherwise is just a set up for an unscheduled meeting of vehicles.

l2ridehd 04-29-2018 07:37 AM

Two points.

If you make speeding self funding and paid for by ticket collections, you will end up with another Waldo right here in The Villages. Every time LEO are given quotas for tickets, it's a self fulfilling prophesy. Not a good plan at all. I also have seen several speed traps recently so watch out for them, they are out there.

Roundabouts.

They are nothing more then a traffic light replacement. Pretend your at 466 and Buena Vista. If you wanted to turn right, you would be in the right lane before you got to the light. If you wanted to turn left, you would be in the left lane before you got to the light. If you were going straight through either lane works. And you would always yield to a vehicle already in the intersection. Treat any traffic circle exactly the same.

Those that enter on the right and go 3/4 the way around are breaking the law just as you would be if you approached a traffic light in the right lane and made a left turn. It's called reckless driving and you can and should be ticketed for it. If you cause an accident by someone going straight through and you hit them when they turn in front of you because you are in the right lane going 3/4 the way around, you are at fault.

golfing eagles 04-29-2018 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 1538097)

Roundabouts.

They are nothing more then a traffic light replacement. Pretend your at 466 and Buena Vista. If you wanted to turn right, you would be in the right lane before you got to the light. If you wanted to turn left, you would be in the left lane before you got to the light. If you were going straight through either lane works. And you would always yield to a vehicle already in the intersection. Treat any traffic circle exactly the same.

Those that enter on the right and go 3/4 the way around are breaking the law just as you would be if you approached a traffic light in the right lane and made a left turn. It's called reckless driving and you can and should be ticketed for it. If you cause an accident by someone going straight through and you hit them when they turn in front of you because you are in the right lane going 3/4 the way around, you are at fault.

Or even 1/2 way around. Of course that means you probably entered the RB as the car in the left lane was approaching, WHICH YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE

Polar Bear 04-29-2018 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1538096)
...the most important point---the one that makes it all work---is that NO ONE SHOULD ENTER A RB WHEN THERE IS ONCOMING TRAFFIC IN EITHER LANE. YIELD MEANS YIELD!!! To do otherwise is just a set up for an unscheduled meeting of vehicles.

Pretty much says it all.

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1538096)
As much as I hate to agree with PB...

I feel your pain, ge. :)

golfing eagles 04-29-2018 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA (Post 1537573)
I am fed up with the high speeds on Powell Rd between 44a and 466a. The limit is 35 mph but most all traffic goes 50-55mph. Trucks are the worst offenders. Complaints to the city and county have done nothing.

Not saying that I agree or disagree, but just to play devil's advocate.....
What possible difference could it possibly make to you if you are obeying the speed limit and someone passes you going 50? Unless they are impaired or distracted, they are most likely a much better driver than a clown going 25 in the left lane. And this bothered you enough that you complained to the city? Do you fancy yourself an auxiliary LEO?

Just sayin'(as devil's advocate)

Lindaketchup 04-29-2018 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by spring_chicken (Post 1537908)
BREAKING NEWS: People in The Villages break traffic laws. As do millions of people on every county, state, and federal road in the United States millions of times per day.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...ne-463x308.jpg

:bigbow: :bigbow:

Topspinmo 04-29-2018 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 8notes (Post 1537957)
I'd rather see tickets given out to drivers who disregard the rules in roundabouts. I'd be willing to bet there are more accidents and near misses due to people cutting in front of others illegally from the wrong lane, than from people going 5 or 10 mph over the speed limit. I was going straight the other day and someone did a right turn from the left lane, in front of me, and I barely slammed my brakes on in time. What is the matter with people? Are they that stupid they don't know the rules, or are they just inconsiderate or in la la land?


If you look at the arrows left laner can exit the roundabout at the second, third and 4th exit if they desire to to all way Around. If you was behind some one in the right lane and YOU didnt exit at the first exit. YOU have to yield cause the car to your left has the right away even if he's beside you. You hit him and you will get the ticket.

A friend was in almost same position as you except she was ahead of the left Lanier and at the second exit she got hit at the rear side and ticketed. If you look at the arrows RIGHT lanier must exit at the first exit to have the right away, other wise you half to yield cause you are exiting at the second exit or yield. ( which means you only have the right way at the first exit if cars beside you or slightly ahead of you.)

Even it you enter the round about with traffic in the round about you have to yield (which shouldn't be entering rouandabout when traffic in it and that means coming Around, if they don't have blinker light on that means they are coming around or the Are DSs that don't use blinkers lights.


That's what causes accidents, people can't follow the signs or arrow directed signs.

tomwed 04-29-2018 12:24 PM

Fast forward to 4 min 30 seconds. The creator did a pretty good job of explaining our round about signs.

Topspinmo 04-29-2018 01:10 PM

That wasn't frost? It was hard freeze for several days. You could see how old or tall some of those tropical plants were. So the hard freeze not common. This last winter froze stuff as far down as north Miami. IMO 301 pretty dangerous. Right on the mark on the roundabouts.

Bogie Shooter 04-29-2018 01:53 PM

Can we please switch over to dog poop debate.:pepper2:,

Topspinmo 04-29-2018 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1538228)
Can we please switch over to dog poop debate.:pepper2:,

O come you know a roundabout thread is way better than dog poop thread.

VApeople 04-29-2018 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1538096)
----the only time it is "wrong" is when you plan on exiting at the first 90 degree exit--in which case you should be in the right lane.

Of course, you are correct.

However, I recently came up to a roundabout in the right lane and another car came up beside me in the left lane. We both stopped to let a car in the roundabout pass by.

Then we started to advance. All of a sudden, the guy in the left lane cut in front of me to turn right at the first exit. I was surprised and I let him go.

Since then it has happened three more times to me. Now, when I am in the right lane, I really keep an eye on the person in the left lane.

Daddymac 04-29-2018 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spring_chicken (Post 1537908)
BREAKING NEWS: People in The Villages break traffic laws. As do millions of people on every county, state, and federal road in the United States millions of times per day.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...ne-463x308.jpg

Hahahahaha :pepper2: :a040:

ColdNoMore 04-29-2018 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 1538044)
No sense in trying to explain it to you. R/b traffic moves in a counter-clockwise direction. When you enter a r/b you are making continuous right turns to exit the r/b. Check the signage if you care too

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Originally Posted by pqrstar (Post 1538052)
Here is the pamphlet provided by Sumter County.
http://www.districtgov.org/community...t-02-08-12.pdf

It explains that if you are going half way around, you have the choice of entering into the outside lane and exiting via the outside lane, OR entering ino the inside lane and exiting via the inside lane.

If you are going 3/4 the way around, you must enter from the inside lane and exit from the inside lane.

NEVER CHANGE LANES IN THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE.

ALL TRAFFIC entering into the traffic circles must YIELD to BOTH lanes inside the traffic circle.



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Originally Posted by pqrstar (Post 1538053)
Some people refer to a traffic circle as an intersection.

Thus the 1st exit is the same as making a right hand turn and you would be in the right lane to do so.

The 2nd exit is the same as going straight and continuing on the same road way. Thus if you have 2 lanes, both could go straight with each lane exiting from the same lane in which they entered.

The 3rd exit is the same as making a left turn. So you would need to enter in the inside lane, just as you would at a regular intersection. You would also exit from the inside lane. You never change lanes while inside a traffic circle.

ALL ENTERING TRAFFIC HAVE A YIELD SIGN and MUST YIELD TO ALL CARS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE.

This explains how a person makes a left hand turn inside a traffic circle. (It is by using the 3rd exit from which you entered the circle)

So, yes, YOU ARE CORRECT about continuous right turns, It is just that you need to enter AND exit in the proper lane according to the exit you plan to use.

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1538096)
As much as I hate to agree with PB, he (and pqr and photo) are 100% correct. The "exiting" from the left lane is all relative to where you entered and where you exit----the only time it is "wrong" is when you plan on exiting at the first 90 degree exit--in which case you should be in the right lane. But the most important point---the one that makes it all work---is that NO ONE SHOULD ENTER A RB WHEN THERE IS ONCOMING TRAFFIC IN EITHER LANE. YIELD MEANS YIELD!!! To do otherwise is just a set up for an unscheduled meeting of vehicles.

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1538114)
Or even 1/2 way around. Of course that means you probably entered the RB as the car in the left lane was approaching, WHICH YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1538186)
If you look at the arrows left laner can exit the roundabout at the second, third and 4th exit if they desire to to all way Around. If you was behind some one in the right lane and YOU didnt exit at the first exit. YOU have to yield cause the car to your left has the right away even if he's beside you. You hit him and you will get the ticket.

A friend was in almost same position as you except she was ahead of the left Lanier and at the second exit she got hit at the rear side and ticketed. If you look at the arrows RIGHT lanier must exit at the first exit to have the right away, other wise you half to yield cause you are exiting at the second exit or yield. ( which means you only have the right way at the first exit if cars beside you or slightly ahead of you.)

Even it you enter the round about with traffic in the round about you have to yield (which shouldn't be entering rouandabout when traffic in it and that means coming Around, if they don't have blinker light on that means they are coming around or the Are DSs that don't use blinkers lights.


That's what causes accidents, people can't follow the signs or arrow directed signs
.




:D

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...abouts-262166/


:popcorn:

golfing eagles 04-29-2018 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1538245)
Of course, you are correct.

However, I recently came up to a roundabout in the right lane and another car came up beside me in the left lane. We both stopped to let a car in the roundabout pass by.

Then we started to advance. All of a sudden, the guy in the left lane cut in front of me to turn right at the first exit. I was surprised and I let him go.

Since then it has happened three more times to me. Now, when I am in the right lane, I really keep an eye on the person in the left lane.

Rule 1: Always expect the other driver to do the most idiotic thing imaginable

Rule 2: I always adjust my speed in a RB so as to never be next to another vehicle

8notes 04-29-2018 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1538245)
Of course, you are correct.

However, I recently came up to a roundabout in the right lane and another car came up beside me in the left lane. We both stopped to let a car in the roundabout pass by.

Then we started to advance. All of a sudden, the guy in the left lane cut in front of me to turn right at the first exit. I was surprised and I let him go.

Since then it has happened three more times to me. Now, when I am in the right lane, I really keep an eye on the person in the left lane.

My point exactly. What kind of idiot turns right from the left lane, cutting in front of the right lane of traffic to do so? Should be given a ticket.

Polar Bear 04-29-2018 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 8notes (Post 1538271)
My point exactly. What kind of idiot turns right from the left lane, cutting in front of the right lane of traffic to do so? Should be given a ticket.

After entering the roundabout, taking the first exit from the left lane is not proper. Taking the second or third exit from the left lane is perfectly fine.

ColdNoMore 04-29-2018 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1538296)
After entering the roundabout, taking the first exit from the left lane is not proper. Taking the second or third exit from the left lane is perfectly fine.

Exactly!

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...241-post1.html

Why is it so hard for some people...to understand that? :oops:

Topspinmo 04-29-2018 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1538254)

A am amazed that I agree with-- I agree with 4 lane roundabouts the navigation directionally signs should be standard like the one in the bottom or the many arrow lane sign before most roundabouts. Why they have the tops ones I'm stumped???:undecided: I know that's hard to believe!

Topspinmo 04-29-2018 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 8notes (Post 1538271)
My point exactly. What kind of idiot turns right from the left lane, cutting in front of the right lane of traffic to do so? Should be given a ticket.

IMO that scenario rare? Really takes a DA to exit right in the left lane at first exit after entering roundabout. The rules and law clearly states right lane done not have right away to go straight after the first exit in roundabout.

EviesGP 04-29-2018 06:01 PM

And this Thread has gone on thru 7 pages??? Where do I go to get a life???

ColdNoMore 04-29-2018 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by EviesGP (Post 1538327)
And this Thread has gone on thru 7 pages??? Where do I go to get a life???

Anywhere you would like.

The beauty of the way this whole thing works, is that you can even choose...not to read the posts in this thread. :thumbup:

Topspinmo 04-29-2018 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by EviesGP (Post 1538327)
And this Thread has gone on thru 7 pages??? Where do I go to get a life???

I guess nowhere cause you're here reading all of it;)

OhioBuckeye 04-30-2018 05:33 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by raynan (Post 1537563)
I agree, the speed limits are just being ignored especially in golf carts. Would someone please set a trap on Bailey Trail and pull over golf carts. We have a speedometer and we do 20. The governor will kick in and slow us down at 20.8 on a downhill and we're lucky to get 19 uphill near Cane Garden. Carts are going past us like we're sitting still. No turn signals are being used or if they are, are not being shut off so you don't know if they're going to turn or not. We have seen several close calls at intersections and carts making turns on 2 wheels. Slow down folks! Nothing is that important to put lives in danger. The carts are not toys.

I agree,my golf cart will run 20 mph. I think every golf cart that has ever followed me has passed me when I'm going 20 mph. Some of these golf carts will pass me going over 25 mph. Since I've lived here as a resident for 6 yrs. I've only seen 3 golf carts pulled over. People must set their own governor what they want it to run. Everytime I get something done to my cart at the dealer, they want me to sign a paper saying I'll let me reset or check my cart to see if it only runs 20 mph. Everytime I get it back it always runs slower. Personally I don't think it really does any good to have speed laws on carts that they don't even enforce. Also I don't think people on carts know what a STOP sign is, nobody stops, they slow down & go right on thru the sign. I'm surprise someone hasn't gotten T boned at one of the tunnels yet. People leave there turn signals on & people at the tunnel exit assume these people are going to turn. It was a bad design for the cart manufacturers not to put automatic disengaged turn signals on carts.

IndianaJones 04-30-2018 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1538242)
O come you know a roundabout thread is way better than dog poop thread.

Maybe we need a thread about people who let their dogs poop in the roundabout??? Just sayin, let's cover all the bases!:D

justjim 04-30-2018 07:48 AM

Wishing for more tickets
 
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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1537521)
No inference to whether they are "out there" or not.
The point is there is significantly less traffic enforcement than in the past. And there should be many, MANY more traps!
In my humble opinion.

OP, someone once told me, “careful what you wish for”.

FromNY 04-30-2018 08:13 AM

I have seen Village vehicles on Buena Vista doing way over 35miles an hour. So if Community Watch, Trollly, and Village airport vans cannot follow the law why should anyone? Sad world.

UHH47 04-30-2018 08:17 AM

I am a advocate of driving the speed limit in The Villages. I question why Powell Rd has a 35 mile speed limit. A 4 lane divided highway with very low volume side traffic I don’t understand why the speed couldn’t be a 45 MPH road like the 2 lane extension north of 466A.

Topspinmo 04-30-2018 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by FromNY (Post 1538512)
I have seen Village vehicles on Buena Vista doing way over 35miles an hour. So if Community Watch, Trollly, and Village airport vans cannot follow the law why should anyone? Sad world.

BV and MB have slow speed to allow LSV being cash for clunkers paid for most of them.

Topspinmo 04-30-2018 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by UHH47 (Post 1538515)
I am a advocate of driving the speed limit in The Villages. I question why Powell Rd has a 35 mile spoof limit. A 4 lane divided highway with very low volume side traffic I don’t understand why the speed couldn’t be a 45 MPH road like the 2 lane road north of 466A.

Probably to allow LSV to strip malls off 44

elreib 04-30-2018 08:40 AM

I agree. Too many cars and carts think they do not have to stop at stop signs on the 25mph streets. They just slow down to 20 (from 35) and slip on through regardless if there is a car stopped waiting for them to stop and take their turn. It is always "their turn" (so they think). So often I have a close call at the corner of Belle Meade and Argyll, or Legacy. Use of turn signals helps as well. They do not know how important they are. SLOW DOWN PEOPLE, YOU ARE RETIRED!

Topspinmo 04-30-2018 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye (Post 1538442)
I agree,my golf cart will run 20 mph. I think every golf cart that has ever followed me has passed me when I'm going 20 mph. Some of these golf carts will pass me going over 25 mph. Since I've lived here as a resident for 6 yrs. I've only seen 3 golf carts pulled over. People must set their own governor what they want it to run. Everytime I get something done to my cart at the dealer, they want me to sign a paper saying I'll let me reset or check my cart to see if it only runs 20 mph. Everytime I get it back it always runs slower. Personally I don't think it really does any good to have speed laws on carts that they don't even enforce. Also I don't think people on carts know what a STOP sign is, nobody stops, they slow down & go right on thru the sign. I'm surprise someone hasn't gotten T boned at one of the tunnels yet. People leave there turn signals on & people at the tunnel exit assume these people are going to turn. It was a bad design for the cart manufacturers not to put automatic disengaged turn signals on carts.

Well for one it hard to enforce traffic laws on private roads (MMP). I agree if they are speeding down the diamond lanes then should be open season. I also agree that any LEO can set on any street and ticket carts, cars, bikers, and probably walkers that refuse to walk single file. But, with other duties nearly impossible to monitor all streets.

I noticed most abuser's of golf cart speed limit are golfers racing to their next tee time. Gas golf cart will run close or over 40 MPH if you take the governor out. The lawn mower engine will just keep winding up to air intake limit. I witnessed several carts speed at 38 plus.

The two elect carts that can be manipulated faster are par carts and star carts, some star carts have high and low switch, on low limited to 20 mph, flip it to high side and 35 Plus. Other brands if computer can't be reset have to have high speed motor and bigger tires.

Most don't let their gas carts wind all the way down due to the centrifugal clutch when there no traffic close. If there at 4'way stop and they're there first what difference does it make. Just like cars that do the rolling stop when other vehicles are at the stop sign waiting. not in line until stop at stop signs which means behind the stop sign not with front bumper out in the intersection.

Few even law enforcement stop behind stops sign or come to complete stop. No big deal IMO unless there are vehicles already in line at intersections

bbbbbb 04-30-2018 11:15 AM

Speed kills
 
Hi and thanks for the comments on speed. Well, we do have plenty of Happy Hours Bandits on the road. You can see them, take a walk at any square at about 3 to 6 and see the persons, who wobble over to the car or the cart. On the MMP paths, it is a real danger later in the day. Yes, we have our cart governed to 19.5 max. Carts over take us, then pull away after passing and that pull away is estimated at 10 mph so 20 plus 10 is 30. Some of us are keeping track, taking photos etc. It is a tragic event about to happen. So when this Village is, hopefully, hit with a class action lawsuit I will be first in line to tell some hair raising stories. This Village group will not support ID numbers on a cart. they will not support having a responsible call center to report offensive driving. I have called in about this, better to talk to a light pole. OK, the only thing they respond to is money money and money.
Their money making booze halls are well filled by the persons parking in the squares and going into drinking big time a big part of the day. Village Mgt. are enabling and helping this anomaly to happen and lei us hope they see a judge who will rap them, money is the only thing they respond to.

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