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mbh913 08-17-2015 07:26 AM

Who or what is "the Village Government?" Maybe we ought to think about getting one somewhere on that 20 year time line.

graciegirl 08-17-2015 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mbh913 (Post 1100706)
Who or what is "the Village Government?" Maybe we ought to think about getting one somewhere on that 20 year time line.



Hmmmm.


The Village government at this time is the Morse family south of 466.


And how they run things is the one thing I love more than any thing else about this place. Maybe because they do a great job, do not try to put themselves in the spotlight and have become a huge success without federal help and by doing it the old fashioned way working hard and investing their own money, time and time again.


This has caused them to be very rich. But they weren't very rich twenty years ago. It is the American dream and we are living it too.


Amen. There will be a moment of silence while y'all think about this.

rongeorge 08-17-2015 07:50 AM

How about a high speed train (100 mph+)?

tntfox 08-17-2015 08:11 AM

Teleportation, Beam me to Honest Johns. lol

twoplanekid 08-17-2015 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mbh913 (Post 1100706)
Who or what is "the Village Government?" Maybe we ought to think about getting one somewhere on that 20 year time line.

The Village government that I am referring to is the CDDs under the collective banner of the Villages. Five residents of each residential CDD are elected by their CDD residents to run operations within the boundaries of that CDD. Three commercial CDDs are still controlled by the developer and CDD 11 which is temporally under the control of the developer as the developer initially installs the five officials to run a residential CDD.

With growth of the Villages, the influence of the developer on day to day operation of the residential CDDs fades. And to some extent, the developer has less control on the operation of the Villages as a whole.

2015+15= 2030 It will be here before we know it!

graciegirl 08-17-2015 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 1100757)
The Village government that I am referring to is the CDDs under the collective banner of the Villages. Five residents of each residential CDD are elected by their CDD residents to run operations within the boundaries of that CDD. Three commercial CDDs are still controlled by the developer and CDD 11 which is temporally under the control of the developer as the developer initially installs the five officials to run a residential CDD.

With growth of the Villages, the influence of the developer on day to day operation of the residential CDDs fades. And to some extent, the developer has less control on the operation of the Villages as a whole.

2015+15= 2030 It will be here before we know it!



I have to ask. You thinkin' to be mayor? You really need to live here full time first and absorb how nice it is RIGHT NOW.

graciegirl 08-17-2015 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1100111)
I think you should move here full time, because spending so much time off campus is making you overthink things. Or take up golf.



This is the advice which shouldn't be heeded, Bogie?


Maybe you are right. You usually are.

dbussone 08-17-2015 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 1100757)
The Village government that I am referring to is the CDDs under the collective banner of the Villages. Five residents of each residential CDD are elected by their CDD residents to run operations within the boundaries of that CDD. Three commercial CDDs are still controlled by the developer and CDD 11 which is temporally under the control of the developer as the developer initially installs the five officials to run a residential CDD.

With growth of the Villages, the influence of the developer on day to day operation of the residential CDDs fades. And to some extent, the developer has less control on the operation of the Villages as a whole.

2015+15= 2030 It will be here before we know it!

Keep in mind that a traditional governmental arrangement cannot work for The Villages. We exist within 3 municipalities: Lady Lake, Wildwood, and Fruitland Park. And 3 counties: Sumter, Marion, and Lake. If I recall, there are portions of TV that are also in unincorporated territory of Sumter County. A single governmental entity cannot, IMO, exist in this environment. The developer has arranged a masterful scheme to deal with the intricacies here. I, for one, love it....and a benevolent dictatorship.

twoplanekid 08-17-2015 08:43 AM

Yes, once I meet the residency requirements for office I will be off to the races making changes.:crap2:

Polar Bear 08-17-2015 08:47 AM

Traveling the Villages in 2030
 
Almost all trips longer than about 15 minutes in TV are what I would call non-essential, elective travel...a restaurant you choose to go to, a special store, entertainment other than what's at the square nearest you, etc.. I don't see that changing no matter how much TV grows.

Mass transit is not required here. Of course that's an opinion from somebody who believes that mass transit is a money-sink in general, costing a fortune, paid for by everybody, used by very few. Very few, very specific types of environments warrant its consideration. TV is not one of them.

dbussone 08-17-2015 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1100779)
Almost all trips longer than about 15 minutes in TV are what I would call non-essential, elective travel...a restaurant you choose to go to, a special store, entertainment other than what's at the square nearest you, etc.. I don't see that changing no matter how much TV grows.

Mass transit is not required here. Of course that's an opinion from somebody who believes that mass transit is a money-sink in general, costing a fortune, paid for by everybody, used by very few. Very few, very specific types of environments warrant its consideration. TV is not one of them.

Agree 100%.

twoplanekid 08-17-2015 09:09 AM

It’s always good to look at things from a different perspective and ask those questions that could result in better ways to go forward. I thank everyone for presenting their views on a subject that in the future will affect us all. Sorry, all of the political talk in the news is getting me fired up and in the mood to change things.:crap2:

don4345 08-17-2015 09:11 AM

Monorails, Street Cars, are you kiddig me, you don't want to paint a line on the golf paths because it cost to much money. Wake up jump in the pool play some golf enjoy The Village .

dbussone 08-17-2015 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 1100787)
It’s always good to look at things from a different perspective and ask those questions that could result in better ways to go forward. I thank everyone for presenting their views on a subject that in the future will affect us all. Sorry, all of the political talk in the news is getting me fired up and in the mood to change things.:crap2:

No need to apologize.

tomwed 08-17-2015 09:13 AM

I think by 2030 we will have self driving carts, self driving cars and bicycles that stop at stop signs..Or even better, a self driving bus that stops at the 3 squares, hospital,fresh market,aldis,the new goodwill and walmart

don4345 08-17-2015 09:21 AM

Stop Signs
 
A buddy of mine went to one of the town meetings an a guy got up and asked ifnhe is in a golf cart do i have to stop at red lights!!! So stop signs i guess you just blow the off. Realy Sad

tomwed 08-17-2015 09:44 AM

"The Villages grew by 5.4 percent between July 1, 2013 and July 1, 2014. Its population sat at an estimated 114,350 as of July." http://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/26/the-v...etro-area.html

If it only maintained that growth, wouldn't the population be [.054 X 114,350] X [2030-2014] + 114,350 = 213,148?

Here comes Costco.

dbussone 08-17-2015 09:57 AM

Traveling the Villages in 2030
 
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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1100807)
"The Villages grew by 5.4 percent between July 1, 2013 and July 1, 2014. Its population sat at an estimated 114,350 as of July." http://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/26/the-v...etro-area.html

If it only maintained that growth, wouldn't the population be [.054 X 114,350] X [2030-2014] + 114,350 = 213,148?

Here comes Costco.

Nice try Tom. I wish! About Costco, not 213K people.

tomwed 08-17-2015 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1100807)
"The Villages grew by 5.4 percent between July 1, 2013 and July 1, 2014. Its population sat at an estimated 114,350 as of July." http://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/26/the-v...etro-area.html

If it only maintained that growth, wouldn't the population be [.054 X 114,350] X [2030-2014] + 114,350 = 213,148?

Here comes Costco.

my math is wrong----it's a compound equation
year 1 114,350 x 1.054 = 120,524
year 2 120,524 x 1.054 = 127,032

year 16 =265,268

That's enough for a Costco and a Trader Joe's!

graciegirl 08-17-2015 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by don4345 (Post 1100790)
Monorails, Street Cars, are you kiddig me, you don't want to paint a line on the golf paths because it cost to much money. Wake up jump in the pool play some golf enjoy The Village .



He isn't HERE. I think that is the problem. He is in Ohio thinking about the lovely new home he has purchased and has only occupied for a few weeks. It is making him overthink things. He is a very nice man, but a bit type A I am guessing. He really needs to take up both pickleball and golf, and join the Democrat club and find a nice church and enjoy a few hundred nights on the squares.


All this talk of changing my beloved Villages is getting ME upset. ;)

dbussone 08-17-2015 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1100822)
my math is wrong----it's a compound equation
year 1 114,350 x 1.054 = 120,524
year 2 120,524 x 1.054 = 127,032

year 16 =265,268

That's enough for a Costco and a Trader Joe's!

I'll forgo both to keep the population much lower!

I think we are projected to have a pop'n around 125K at buildout. And we sure won't have much internal growth ... what with the fertility rate here ... so I think 125K is probably pretty realistic. I.e., Unless the developer keeps finding more property around here.

Villager65 08-17-2015 11:35 AM

Out of curiosity, what are you basing the growth rate on? The Villages approaches its buildout in about 2 years. Not trying to be sarcastic, but how can The Villages approach such a growth by 2030?

Polar Bear 08-17-2015 11:53 AM

I hate to sound like a broken record, but "buildout" is a moving target, updated as each new phase comes along.

dbussone 08-17-2015 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1100860)
I hate to sound like a broken record, but "buildout" is a moving target, updated as each new phase comes along.

Polar - you are too young to be a broken record...how about a loop on a reel to reel recorder? 😃 (Just kidding, you know)

tomwed 08-17-2015 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Villager65 (Post 1100851)
Out of curiosity, what are you basing the growth rate on? The Villages approaches its buildout in about 2 years. Not trying to be sarcastic, but how can The Villages approach such a growth by 2030?

I base the 5.4% growth rate from the following piece. The buildout changes everything.

The Villages, FL—America's fastest-growing metro area
Jacob Pramuk | @jacobpramuk
Thursday, 26 Mar 2015 | 11:55 AM ET

The U.S. migration to sunshine continues.

The Villages—a Florida area based around its namesake retirement community—was the fastest-growing U.S. metropolitan area for the second year in a row, the U.S. Census Bureau said on Thursday. Six Florida metropolitan areas ranked among the 20 fastest-growing in the country.

Growth in those metropolitan areas helped Florida become the nation's third most populous state.

The Villages grew by 5.4 percent between July 1, 2013 and July 1, 2014. Its population sat at an estimated 114,350 as of July.

Polar Bear 08-17-2015 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1100862)
Polar - you are too young to be a broken record...how about a loop on a reel to reel recorder? 😃 (Just kidding, you know)

Heheh. You ARE kidding! I'm old enough to be an accidental scratch on a hieroglyphic!! :a20:

dbussone 08-17-2015 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1100874)
Heheh. You ARE kidding! I'm old enough to be an accidental scratch on a hieroglyphic!! :a20:

Ok, so a not so dead sea scroll then?

jhdarien 08-17-2015 12:59 PM

How true

FosterMomma 08-17-2015 02:04 PM

I'm hoping to be alive then... that might just be good enough!

KEVIN & JOSIE 08-17-2015 02:48 PM

I think we assume moving forward that the now young future Villagers will have enough retirement income to sustain The Villages lifestyle. With more elimination of defined pensions, difficulty saving for retirement, and employment with lower salaries, The Villages could actually decrease in population size by 2030. Young people today are experiencing difficulty trying to build their net worth. Not saying this is going to happen, just throwing out another scenario.

Bogie Shooter 08-17-2015 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KEVIN & JOSIE (Post 1100968)
I think we assume moving forward that the now young future Villagers will have enough retirement income to sustain The Villages lifestyle. With more elimination of defined pensions, difficulty saving for retirement, and employment with lower salaries, The Villages could actually decrease in population size by 2030. Young people today are experiencing difficulty trying to build their net worth. Not saying this is going to happen, just throwing out another scenario.

Not all of them are having a problem.

KEVIN & JOSIE 08-17-2015 03:09 PM

Not a blanket statement that ALL are experiencing trouble. Just saying that there may be enough to impact the future. Again, nobody has a crystal ball.

tomwed 08-17-2015 03:25 PM

Village Van 160 for 2 people plus tip

Orlando to NYC 400 for 2 people round trip

In 2030 I want an airport nearby flying north everyday. With 40% of the villagers coming from the northeast I think this would be a real game changer. You could visit the grand kids more often if you didn't have to deal with the Orlando airport.

pauld315 08-17-2015 08:07 PM

I thought The Villages was out of land to build on with about 55000 homes (approx 110000 residents) or has that changed ?

Polar Bear 08-17-2015 09:03 PM

Traveling the Villages in 2030
 
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Originally Posted by pauld315 (Post 1101113)
I thought The Villages was out of land to build on...or has that changed ?


It hasn't changed...it was simply never true. :)

tomwed 08-17-2015 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pauld315 (Post 1101113)
I thought The Villages was out of land to build on with about 55000 homes (approx 110000 residents) or has that changed ?

I thought so too but I don't remember the source of that information. I think my realtor told me. That's why it seemed important to buy before everything was gone and got very expensive. No regrets.

NavyVet 08-17-2015 10:38 PM

It takes me 25 minutes (by automobile) to get to the VA Clinic and I'm not even south of 466A. Try telling all the Veterans here, as well as many seniors who have lots of medical appointments and such, that anything over 15 minutes drive is non-essential, elective travel. It's not about being convenient to your favorite restaurant/golf course/bar; it's that TV is so large and spread out that a number of villages are quite a distance from anything IMPORTANT. Just saying.

outlaw 08-18-2015 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by pauld315 (Post 1101113)
I thought The Villages was out of land to build on with about 55000 homes (approx 110000 residents) or has that changed ?

According to the developer's sales people, you better hurry and buy your house in TV before the build out is completed any day, and prices for resales go through the roof.

outlaw 08-18-2015 07:38 AM

Before I bought in TV, I talked to a man who had moved 5 times within TV in about 6 or 10 years (don't remember exactly the number of years). Anyway, he advised me that the most important thing is to decide WHERE to live in TV because it is so big, you could spend a lot of time going and coming to your places of interest and activities if you choose the wrong area. I think it's like any medium size municipality. You tend to narrow your "acceptable" locations to areas that provide the most overall conveniences for your particular interests.

funnygirl 08-18-2015 10:32 AM

Are you sure the developer is going to keep on buying land and building?


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