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ThirdOfFive 05-29-2023 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by charlie1 (Post 2221768)
Not sure if it was that way for years BUT I also wonder what their agenda is for going to Wildwood to raise the flag. The prison has a little over 10% of their positions open and are trying to fill them. What can Wildwood do! They are just using scare tactics to get something in return from the prison. Unfortunately, there are people that will panic and will "spread the scare".

When you were younger, when the company was short staffed we all pitch together to still get the job done until they could hire help. We maybe did not like it but we did not try to start a panic!
If those guards are union, I guarantee that this will NOT be happening. Doing so short-circuits the need for more workers and as unions live on dues and large memberships. Workers going above and beyond to help one another because of warm body shortages just isn't tolerated.

Stu from NYC 05-29-2023 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2221854)
If those guards are union, I guarantee that this will NOT be happening. Doing so short-circuits the need for more workers and as unions live on dues and large memberships. Workers going above and beyond to help one another because of warm body shortages just isn't tolerated.
Unions did a good job improving work conditions but now it is getting the money from dues.

Worked in a union shop and was amazing how often work came to a standstill while you waited for a "specialist" when any other worker could have moved the material a few feet.

Gpsma 05-29-2023 02:06 PM
And fearful Villagers and Union fellow travelers will agree we are in danger

kkingston57 05-29-2023 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2221865)
Unions did a good job improving work conditions but now it is getting the money from dues.

Worked in a union shop and was amazing how often work came to a standstill while you waited for a "specialist" when any other worker could have moved the material a few feet.
Agree on the specialist, but what kind of different trades/specialists are at a prison? Better ? is how much they are paid by the state of Florida. Florida has always been one of the lowest paying states in the US. Not going to get better. Recent influx of out of staters has made, FL a harder place to live for the working populace.

Gpsma 05-29-2023 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2221877)
Agree on the specialist, but what kind of different trades/specialists are at a prison? Better ? is how much they are paid by the state of Florida. Florida has always been one of the lowest paying states in the US. Not going to get better. Recent influx of out of staters has made, FL a harder place to live for the working populace.
But isnt coleman a federal prison….i would think they are paid under the fed compensation system…i bet a lot better then state prison employees

Stu from NYC 05-29-2023 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2221877)
Agree on the specialist, but what kind of different trades/specialists are at a prison? Better ? is how much they are paid by the state of Florida. Florida has always been one of the lowest paying states in the US. Not going to get better. Recent influx of out of staters has made, FL a harder place to live for the working populace.
Federal position and suspect the staff is very well paid

MrChip72 05-29-2023 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2221915)
Federal position and suspect the staff is very well paid
Have met a couple of retired prison guards in the past few years. They all seem to have done well for themselves financially and retired in their early 50's.

ithos 05-30-2023 04:37 AM
The only significant risk is from the Camp section since they are allowed to roam freely at times according to the description. https://www.bop.gov/locations/instit...aohandbook.pdf These are usually people either near their release date or convicted of non violent crimes. The difference now is that there is much more development instead of pastures and farms surrounding the site.

The biggest risk is to the staff who will have less backup when inmates commit violent acts.

GizmoWhiskers 05-30-2023 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by HandyGrandpap (Post 2221697)
This issue is a concern we all need to monitor,

Statement by credible Employee:

“While this number may sound sufficient, FCC Coleman is short staffed by 100 officers. This translates to 554 officers split between five institutions and five shifts, attempting to supervise 6,219 individuals convicted of committing crimes such as murder, drug trafficking, and sexual violations of our most vulnerable population, children,” Perry said.

The leadership of FCC Coleman reported staffing numbers at 91 percent.

“However, the complex suffers with daily vacant posts of approximately 175 positions equating to a staffing percentage in the 70’s,” Perry added.


https://www.**************.com/2023/...HRhAab4s0o%2Fx
Well, if The Villages / UF nixes the medical research and educational center buyers are being sold on, they can switch the focus of Middleton from under 55 Dr's and Nurses to Correctional Officers to work at Coleman. Win win.

MandoMan 05-30-2023 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by HandyGrandpap (Post 2221697)
This issue is a concern we all need to monitor,

Statement by credible Employee:

“While this number may sound sufficient, FCC Coleman is short staffed by 100 officers. This translates to 554 officers split between five institutions and five shifts, attempting to supervise 6,219 individuals convicted of committing crimes such as murder, drug trafficking, and sexual violations of our most vulnerable population, children,” Perry said.

The leadership of FCC Coleman reported staffing numbers at 91 percent.

“However, the complex suffers with daily vacant posts of approximately 175 positions equating to a staffing percentage in the 70’s,” Perry added.


https://www.**************.com/2023/...HRhAab4s0o%2Fx
Perhaps Coleman could hire some of those thousands of unqualified people hired last year to be school teachers. The working conditions are similar to those in many Florida schools, and the pay might be better.

NoMo50 05-30-2023 07:13 AM
The latest rumor is that the convicts at FCC Coleman have, themselves, unionized. They have secretly planned a mass escape once the guard staffing level drops below 70%. Maps have been distributed amongst the convicts detailing the location of snowbird property in The Villages, which the convicts will use as shelter until they can disappear into the populace. This could well be in your village.

NoMo50 05-30-2023 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2221713)
No big deal, as long as there’s only one escape a year…..

Last escape, April 2022 (LAST YEAR) - a mob hit man.
That inmate had been placed in a halfway house, and walked away. Hardly a prison escape, although it is technically classified that way.

Morty S 05-30-2023 07:25 AM
I heard there closing the prison and turning it into a Costco.

jimkerr 05-30-2023 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by HandyGrandpap (Post 2221697)
This issue is a concern we all need to monitor,

Statement by credible Employee:

“While this number may sound sufficient, FCC Coleman is short staffed by 100 officers. This translates to 554 officers split between five institutions and five shifts, attempting to supervise 6,219 individuals convicted of committing crimes such as murder, drug trafficking, and sexual violations of our most vulnerable population, children,” Perry said.

The leadership of FCC Coleman reported staffing numbers at 91 percent.

“However, the complex suffers with daily vacant posts of approximately 175 positions equating to a staffing percentage in the 70’s,” Perry added.


https://www.**************.com/2023/...HRhAab4s0o%2Fx
What makes this employee “credible”?

Captainpd 05-30-2023 08:18 AM
Really
 
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Originally Posted by rjn5656 (Post 2221703)
Credible employee? Union leadership. Who usually have an agenda.
WTF does unions have to do with this.


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