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Russ, I think Duffysmom meant that she's grateful that POA watches over some of the things being done by the developer. The first I heard of the poaching was by the Orlando Sentinel. I haven't seen a thing about the poaching in the POA paper. I doubt I will -- it is not the type of thing that concerns the POA. It may concern some of us because of the moral, ethical issues, but it really doesn't affect TV residents and the POA is very much into what affects the residents.

Advogado likely knows what he's talking about
 

I bet Advogado knows what he's talking about. Advogado means "lawyer" in Portuguese. If his username equates to his profession, he's well educated. Indeed, he strikes me as learned as evidenced by the frequent cogency of his arguments, regardless whether one agrees with him or not. Critical thinking raises the quality of the debate. I appreciate Advogado's comments from that standpoint alone and thank him for offering his thoughts to the controversy.

I think the implication was that use of the word Avocado was an intentional slap not a misprint. That was the rude part.

I'm quite sure Advogado got it.

Well said katezbox. It comes across as petty name calling just because someone doesn't agree with one's opinions.

Unfortunately, we readers are never sure who is who and what their agenda is when we read the posts .

More than once I have been said to be in the Morses pay by people who don't know me.

When we post with a lot of venom and not so many facts we devalue our own property. We really need to research our facts just to protect ourselves and our investment. The world is watching this forum. I think that honesty is key, but speculation, hearsay and gossip, not so much.

Right on.

Mark Twain said, "Facts are Pesky things?"

Yep, I knew that about fire ants!:beer3:
If you think the world reads TOTV, you need to get out more. !!! I mean like take a train or a plane. :laugh:

I'm leaving now.:pepper2:

Google Analytics for this weeks traffic on Talk of The Villages

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I must be running with the wrong crowd when I travel! Now Larry get off TOTV. Bye.;)

I am bumping my own post because someone challenged that the world does indeed read TOTV and so do potential buyers that may want to buy your house if you dislike it here so much you want to leave.:spoken:

It is a pleasure to bump your thoughtful post again. I decided not to read the thread after I read the title...ok...I peaked and saw your post. IMHO...the use of the word "felony" was calculated to incite and slant the tone. It suggested much more than the update it purported to be. It was unnecessary (read the title without the word) and specious. Further, it voided any suggestion of objectivity by the OP. In that regard it is not honest. One can speculate it was not intended to inform.....it was intended to perpetuate an agenda. Words have meaning but do not always mean.....people mean.

Gossip is an interesting word. Lisa Kirk, the actress, defined it quite accurately. "A gossip is someone who talks to you about others, a bore is someone who talks to you about himself, and a brilliant conversationalist is one who talks to you about yourself".

So.....how have you been?

Have a good day.

Very interesting, but one could only imagine just how many of those hits are bots* going around harvesting information for spamming or whatever else and not humans browsing!

* bot (bhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/obreve.gift) n. Short for robot. A software program that imitates the behavior of a human, as by querying search engines or participating in chatroom or IRC discussions.

I'm sure you are probably right, but we would also like to think that those are real people. There is always a way to throw cold water on ones enthusiasm.

:coolsmiley:

So Gracie... is your freezer full of venison? Want to share?

Okay, okay... sorry. That wasn't very nice

So what was this post all about again???

Oh nothing....

We don't eat venison, or squirrel or dog...Do you have me mixed up with Fumar????

Thank heavens I consider you my friend logdog....or the girls and I would be calling on you.........:pepper2:

But, but, Gracie ... I LOVE deer liver. Won't you please share? Pretty please?

[Goes and stands the corner.]

Red. You ain't right.

YOU are one of the girls.

I know -- that's why I'm standing in the corner (but I still want some deer livier).

:agree: We need posters like Advogado. I hope he continues to participate.

:agree: Forward On Advogado!

Three cheers for Advogado!

We don't always agree - but his arguments are thought out and well-reasoned...

:agree::agree:

I got it, but I thought it was kind of silly.

Ad hominum attacks in the forum
 

I got it, but I thought it was kind of silly.

Back to the subject of the thread
 

First, thanks to you and others who have come to my defense. I doubt that I am more "learned" than any other contributors, but I have spent a fair amount of time studying and thinking about how The Villages and Developer operate.

I have noticed that some posters, when confronted with facts or opinions that reflect unfavorably on the Developer, tend to ignore the substance of the facts or opinion and launch an []ad hominium[/I] attack on the presenter of the facts or opinion. If this forum is to have any value, I think that we should all try to avoid that tactic. If my facts are wrong or if you think my opinion is nonsense, I would ask that you say so vigorously and give the reasons that you think so. It is not productive, and frankly a little silly, to simply call me a "naysayer" or tell me to sell my house and move if I don't like it here.

By the way, I do like the lifestyle here, but the great lifestyle is irrelevant to most of the controversies involving the Developer. We should remember that the Italians justified Mussolini because he made the trains run on time. I guess we know how that turned out for Italy.

When we buy a house here, we are making an investment. It is my view that it behooves us to watch over that investment and to do what we can to protect that investment from actions by the Developer that could imperil it. Some the Developer's actions clearly have done so-- witness the facts underlying the class-action lawsuit and the multiple charges made in the IRS investigation.

Now, to return to the subject of this thread, i.e., the Morse-poaching charges. An earlier post said that the poaching charges really don't affect TV residents. That was my first reaction too. However, upon further reflection, I thought about the list of criteria I use when deciding whether or not to invest in a stock, and I think I've changed my mind about the charges not affecting TV residents. Right up at top of my list of investment criteria list is management integrity.

The reason for this is not just ethical standards on my part but is also the realization that unethical management generally causes bad things to happen to the operations of a company. In the past few years, we have seen numerous examples of this. If I were thinking of investing in a company and one of its top executives and his close associates were facing multiple felony charges, and, even worse, if that company, through its wholly owned newspaper, attempted to keep the news from the people with the most-legitimate interest in it, I would have serious misgivings about investing in that company.

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Thanks for the correction.

Like, I said in my post, if my facts (including spelling) are wrong, just tell me. Hopefully, I will not be asked to sell my house and move to Sun City.

Thank you for your post. I agree 100%.

We have purchased a lot in Buttonwood and will begin building as soon as our home sales here in California.

I believe it's my responsibility to know what is happening in my life and the lives of those I invest in.

So many people claim, I didn't know and thus become victims of having their heads in the sand.

Once again your post is excellent

I also agree completely. Thanks for putting it into words. On this thread you can see someone telling me to move. Well, I just don't take posters like that seriously.

Even though I said I was through with this thread, I am not. Please bear with me a little more.

The Morse family-in this thread- have been compared to Charlie Manson, Adloph Hitler, and Mousilini. Kind of harsh, if you ask me.

There were comments made about needing integrity at the top of a corporation. Do we have integrity in all of our elected officials? We would like it but it doesn't happen. We need corporate leadership who will look out for the best interests of The Villages. I do not agree with the Morse ultra-conservative politics by any means and I get a big laugh out of the Daily Sun columns and letters to the editor.

I am not a hunter nor a supporter of the NRA at all. I used to hunt but after getting out of the Army in 1969, I got rid of my rifle and have not picked one up since.

There were comments about my saying that nothing is holding you in The Villages and if the integrity of the corporation management is beyond your liking, you can move. I am not telling anyone to move. It is the same thing with donations to the Moffit Center. Donate to it if you want or don't. I want to live in harmony. We all worked hard for our slice of Heaven. Let's enjoy it to the fullest.:beer3:

Hopefully, this has cleared the air and we can all get along.

I agree as well. One of the reasons I absented myself from this forum for over a year is that the discourse had turned into petty name calling. It is something I truly despise (and a reason I rarely listen to the talking heads on radio or TV on either side). One tiny fact is buried in a pound of drivel and the yelling commences. I feel that this has become accepted in our society. I also believe that manners and respect - even for those you disagree with - are a reflection of who we are.

Sorry for the hijack - off my soap box for now...

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I think we should all mind our own business. Enough said.

Well said dear Kate. I agree with a lot of people on here, in full, in part, sometimes, always....a little.

I have a VERY hard time getting into an open minded and agreeable feeling when some posters post who never, NEVER have ANYTHING positive to say about ANYTHING. Right away I feel like my girdle is too tight, and I don't even wear a girdle, anymore. I should maybe.

I hear what you are saying but doesn't that go against the whole idea of public forums like TOTV? The idea here is to express your opinion on the questions that have raised. You don't have to agree with any or all of them. But each person's opinion should be respected and given consideration.

I would think public forums are not your thing if you don't want to express your opinion.

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I've been reading this stuff for quite a while now and only have one question for the last 50 or so posters; does anyone remember that the subject of this Thread is "Update on Morse Felony Charges in Montana Poaching Case"? Can't remember the last post that had to do with killing Trophy Elk without a license, or the status of the criminal charges against the leader of the pack.