Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1748174)

Seeing it more and more. Way to interact at a distance.
More to learn every day...……………………….

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1748177)

Welcome to Orange Blossom, where this kind of thing isn't uncommon. We meet in the middle of the road sometimes, and just hang out there talking about how the tenant in the green house 2 doors down has done such a fine job with their begonias. And driveway parties that aren't always scheduled - sometimes just a few of us end up coming up the walk to say hi, and we all end up hanging around on the driveway for a half hour.

At a safe distance now, but the phenomenon of spontaneously congregating in the front of the dwelling is pretty common here.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1748153)

Just like gun laws - if one state says "nope can't buy that type of weapon in this state" and anyone can cross the border and buy that type of weapon in the next state, there is NOTHING stopping everyone in the first state from owning that type of weapon.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1748153)

You can't say "You can't walk on the streets but you may leave the state if you want" to one state, and "you can walk on the streets and play bingo and go to church and hang out on the beach" in another state, and not expect the virus to just keep spreading.

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1748219)

Under federal law an individual cannot go to another state and legally purchase a gun if they are banned from owning that gun in their home state. Gun dealers have access to data on each state to insure the sale is legal. An individual is allowed to purchase a long gun, rifle or shotgun, in another state if it is not banned from ownership in the buyer's home state.

In addition an individual cannot legally purchase a hand gun in another state and take possession of it there. They can purchase the handgun and the selling gun dealer is required to ship it to a federally licensed dealer in the purchaser's home state where the handgun will be transferred to the buyer after applicable background checks are completed. Again if the gun is banned that state the buyer cannot take possession of it and the gun dealer will have to return it to the selling dealer.

Yes, an individual can go to another state and possibly buy a gun from a private person that the buyer cannot own in their home state. But, the seller and buyer both have committed a federal felony and if caught would spend years in a federal prison. My source, I held a federal gun dealer license in the past, your source is misinformed or lying.

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1748262)

Whether it's a nationwide guideline or a state-by-state process, either way, I think we all know the virus will "just keep spreading." That's the cost/benefit analysis we've been talking about - the "Sophie's Choice" of sacrificing lives for the greater good of maintaining people's livelihoods and way of life - because there appears to be no other alternative unfortunately. It's the pink elephant in the living room our leaders pretend isn't there and refuse to talk about, understandably.

Few among us ever expected to be faced with an existential crisis and have to make such a terrible choice in our lifetime, but here we are.

It's not realistic to assume the virus won't keep spreading when we reopen the country in the absence of a vaccine or effective treatment. There will be people out there who are asymptomatic and infected. And that's what caused the virus to catch fire in the first place.

I'm wondering how much panic is going to ensue when we're in a movie theater or Villages rec center and someone coughs or sneezes.

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1746107)

From what I understand, our country is preparing to reopen soon, perhaps on a "rolling" basis, before there's an effective treatment or vaccine for Covid-19. Testing is also projected to remain difficult to get. I'm curious how you all will respond to the call to resume our activities under these conditions.

If the virus is still lurking and we have no weapons against it other than masks, alcohol and distancing, will you go back to your restaurants, town squares, the rec centers for card games, mahjong, jam sessions, Beatles group, ceramics, wood shop, etc.? Or will you continue to stay at home? I'm surprised TV's powers that be haven't polled the community on this important question. (Note to Winston: have you asked your members if they will indeed show up?)

I just don't see the logic in unleashing us prematurely. If the virus is still out there, large numbers of people, or even small numbers of people if you prefer, will continue to contract it and pass it on. And that's the situation that got us into this mess in the first place. Even though the virus was not widespread, there was enough of it to allow it to spread exponentially. What makes us think the same thing won't happen again? It probably will, and that's the set up for the "second wave" we've been hearing about.

So why would we want to make a bad situation worse? And why would the current administration want to commit political suicide in the process?

I just don't get it. Can anyone shed some light? What a Sophie's Choice on the part of our leaders on both sides, huh? Either let the economy crumble and the population go mad or kill off a segment of our citizenry.

Originally Posted by Beyond The Wall (Post 1748290)

"unleashing us"?! No one is going to force anyone to go and do any activity they dont want to or feel safe doing. Some of the areas that were closed was complete over kill. The pools for example. It would have made more sense to remove 1/3 of the chairs, space them a little more apart , then to shut them down. It and is complete overkill. Unleash! Please do!

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1748293)

I think this might have solved some of the problem. Enforcing the ID card rules at the pools would help. And spacing the chairs out and not ALLOWING people to clump them together unless they have the same address would help. I mean taking it absolutely seriously. The pool people would need to act as pool police - you're welcome to sit. OVER THERE. Or you can leave. Your choice.

I think it's reasonable.

Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 1748054)

Retired doesn’t mean dead. We need sunshine and to move. We cannot stay indoors like houseplants. We still have lives and there is nothing more essential and required than that. Take basic precautions of distancing and masks and we can leave home.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1748310)

Our restrictions have never said we can not go outdoors. Golf has never been closed here in The Villages. People can exercise and go outdoors for that.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1748286)

You and what army are actively, physically, preventing anyone from doing it? Can it even be prevented at all, with regulation? The question is - IS it being done, with regards to COVID-19?

This isn't about guns. It's about social distancing, washing hands, trying not to congregate if it can be avoided, when your state has just opened one of the two primary tourist attractions in the state's existence.

It's like, if the governor tells Disney World "go ahead, open up" tomorrow. TOMORROW. And Disney says "woah awesome, hotels, trams, rides, sidewalks, attractions - OPEN FOR BUSINESS!" and then they put a sign on the gate that says "please respect social distancing."

Not Gonna Happen.

People will either come in droves, ignore social distancing, and give the virus to the employees - who will spread it to their families, who will spread it to the supermarkets, who will spread it to strangers - which is how this whirlwind started in the first place...

Or

They will avoid these places like the plague - and since the places all opened for business, it also means they are now staffed, and have to pay their staff, the lights are all one, the rides are all powered up, the hotel housekeeping folks are all lined up with freshly washed linens and the scones for the free breakfast buffet are thawing out in the fridge - but have no revenue coming in with which to pay for all this.

So you're going to end up with a fresh new batch of sick and dead people

OR

You're gonna end up with a lot of bankrupt stores.

All because one tourist attraction opened up too soon. Just like the beaches are opened to the public too soon, without ANY possible ability to control the crowds.

Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 1748313)

The planet does not revolve around a golf club. There are are other things people want to do like maybe go to a pool or just plain see friends or go to a movie or go out to dinner or get a mani/pedi or go shopping or go to rec centers or go to Disney, etc. there is life out there that people want back.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1748332)

I agree with this, Diane. However, I was responding to a poster who said that people do not want to be cooped up inside all the time (or something to that effect). I was referring to the fact that even during our restrictions, we can still go outside to exercise. No one has to remain cooped up inside.

Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 1748345)

Actually it was me you responded to but I was responding to someone who doesn’t want to leave the house. That was why I said we were not houseplants and needed to move. No one said we have to be indoor prisoners but some have taken it literally. Ahh....this too shall pass. Have a good evening.

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1748359)

Can we do roundabouts now?

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1746155)

I agree to some extent with the idea of what you post.

Agree that the inside rec centers be closed, or limited with someone to serve as a counter, and limited group sizes, with no loitering in the halls or central area. If a club has more than 15 members, then that club can't have a full-membership meeting inside. If the club only has 5-10 members then they can have their meeting, with chairs spaced appropriately, and any buffet-style treats at the end of the meeting have to be visited one person at a time.

If you open the larger pools only, then everyone who goes to any of the pools, will all try to congregate at only the larger pools. For that reason I would suggest opening ALL the pools but limiting them to ONLY residents of the area. In other words - if you live in the Paradise Rec center area, then you can't go to the Caroline Pool.

If your area doesn't have its own pool you can use the regional pool. If your area has its own pool, you should not be using the regional pool.

And it needs to be, for the time being, residents only. Tenants are residents, so as long as they have a residents' ID, they should have the same privileges. GUESTS should not be permitted, for now at least. Not grandchildren, not kids. Properties are intended to have 2 residents per home. So only 2 resident IDs should be issued to any individual home.

The problem with the squares is people congregating in close quarters. I'd suggest removing the seating entirely - no more seats allowed, not even if you bring them in yourself. That will drastically reduce the number of people who congregate, and limit how long they stay in the area.

Open all businesses to OUTDOOR business only. Sidewalk sales, outdoor eating, etc. It's a sad fact that if you give people an inch, they'll take a mile. If you let exactly 4 people into your boutique, then when one leaves the next one in line will demand to be let in with her spouse and visiting grandkids. It would just be a logistic nightmare to enforce social distancing rules inside cramped boutiques like those in the squares.

For the same reason, instead of weekly, biweekly, or monthly craft fairs - maybe make them daily. Turn the squares into pedestrian traffic only, and make these "events" non-events by making them commonplace.

You'll have fewer people attending on a daily basis, but vendors will still be able to take in a profit because the same number of people will be attending weekly. The population gets spread out, instead of all showing up at once.

I also think it might be possible to implement a drink chit system. You can buy drink credits, and use up to 2 per day. They could be attached to your Villages ID, or drivers' license for the public that doesn't live in the Villages. That way they can't be used by other people.

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1748359)

Can we do roundabouts now?

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1748300)

I would not bathe with a person who might have tuberculosis and I would not swim with someone who might have Covid-19. Immersing yourself in salt water doesn't seem like a safe thing to do in these germy times.

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1748632)

Yes.

Yes - Roundabout - YouTube

Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 1746179)

Yes of course they’re opinions. Just conversation since no one has a working crystal ball.

Originally Posted by 600th Photo Sq (Post 1748911)

Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 1748313)

The planet does not revolve around a golf club. There are are other things people want to do like maybe go to a pool or just plain see friends or go to a movie or go out to dinner or get a mani/pedi or go shopping or go to rec centers or go to Disney, etc. there is life out there that people want back.