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dirtbanker 04-16-2015 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1045361)
Just for laughs (I hope):

what is the difference between a villager and a canoe?
Canoes tip!:clap2:

What is the difference between a Villager and a puppy?
A puppy eventually stops whining!

I am saddened that Katie Bells is closing...I doubt I will attend anything at the Sharon...I don't believe Valet parking is going to be a profitable business in TV.

JoMar 04-16-2015 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtbanker (Post 1045902)
What is the difference between a Villager and a puppy?
A puppy eventually stops whining!

I am saddened that Katie Bells is closing...I doubt I will attend anything at the Sharon...I don't believe Valet parking is going to be a profitable business in TV.

It will be interesting to revisit yours and other posts in a year to see what impact actually occurs.

Bogie Shooter 04-16-2015 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtbanker (Post 1045902)
What is the difference between a Villager and a puppy?
A puppy eventually stops whining!

I am saddened that Katie Bells is closing...I doubt I will attend anything at the Sharon...I don't believe Valet parking is going to be a profitable business in TV.

Part time? What does that mean?

OldManTime 04-16-2015 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1044783)
Page C1 of The Daily Sun has an article about a test for valet parking that will begin April 27. An Orlando company will park your car for $10 or cart for $5 while you are at the evening entertainment and retrieve it when you are done.

This will (according to the diagram) use existing parking spaces in front of the LSL movie theater for valet spots. These are public streets. How can they be taken for a private company?

Is this the camel's nose under the tent to charge for seating on the squares - $5 if you want a prime spot and the free seats at the very back?

I wonder how many Villagers will pay $5 or $10 for valet parking? I know I will not!

Unless you are part of the rich and famous, you will be walking from the back of the parking lot to the Sharon. If the developer had a hart, he would provide FREE shuttle service for those that can't walk that far.

Bonny 04-16-2015 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by OldManTime (Post 1045999)
Unless you are part of the rich and famous, you will be walking from the back of the parking lot to the Sharon. If the developer had a hart, he would provide FREE shuttle service for those that can't walk that far.

"Free shuttle" ? Who is going to get a vehicle and volunteer to sit out in the heat, rain, cold, etc. just incase someone needs a ride ? Or do you mean free and the developer will pay for it? Really ??

tomwed 04-16-2015 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by OldManTime (Post 1045999)
Unless you are part of the rich and famous, you will be walking from the back of the parking lot to the Sharon. If the developer had a hart, he would provide FREE shuttle service for those that can't walk that far.

I disagree. If someone spends $150 for a pair of tickets, another $10 isn't going to matter. It's not a yard sale. You're going out for the night. Enjoy your blessings.

Bogie Shooter 04-16-2015 11:40 AM

Heartless Developer??

tomwed 04-16-2015 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1046035)
Heartless Developer??

add that comment for me too

ahayward65 04-16-2015 12:55 PM

The valet parking in theory is a great idea. My question is what happens when a show ends and 1000 people come out and want their vehicles?

FredJacobs 04-16-2015 12:58 PM

In regard to the article about “testing” a valet parking service, I wonder who will benefit and who will lose out.

The charge for this service is purported to be $5 for golf carts and $10 for cars. The company representative said that the price is low when compared to other valet services. I may have seen an extra charge of $2 or so added to the parking fee but this is usually to assure that the valet gets a minimum tip. The same is true for venues that have free parking. Speaking of tips, the proposed valets had better be well paid because I don’t see anyone adding a tip.

In the diagram, that accompanied the article, it showed that 5 parking spaces (15 for golf carts – 3 carts parking perpendicular per space) would be lost to allow for dropping off the cars. Where will the valets park the vehicles in their care? Will they drive around and look for spots or will there be a large reserved area in the nearby parking lots? If the latter, then the result is a much greater loss in parking spots - maybe 20, 30 or even 40 spots that become unavailable to the public. All of this is added to the usual loss of parking spots on Market Nights. By the way, if they do set up a reserved area for the valets to park (I assume young men and women in their 20’s), I hope they have the good sense to rope off an area in the furthest corner of the lot and not make the rest park further away from the square. .

Having lived in large towns and cities, it has been my experience that when government imposes fees or taxes on an activity or product, it is because they want the added revenue or they want to reduce access to activity or both. The objective in this “test” is unclear. Is it to raise revenue? I laud the developer and the management team for their business acumen and entrepreneurship. But this seems to be squeezing nickels and dimes which, to me, is way beneath them. Is it to reduce the number of people coming to the squares? Why only Spanish Springs and Lake Sumter Landing? Is it to get more people to consider going to Brownwood? None of these reasons seem fair to the merchants and vendors at Lake Sumter or Spanish Springs?

Here, at The Villages, we do not pay for parking. I’m afraid that this “test” will only be seen as paying an extra $10 for entertainment, dining or shopping at the squares. This will affect merchants around the squares who may see a loss of revenue and raise their prices to compensate. The vendors at Market Nights have the additional choice of not participating. Either way, it affects us all.

In answer to my original question, the owners of the valet company benefits, The Villages, by collecting fees from vendors, benefits. Possible losers are merchants and through them, the general population.

I urge everyone to assure that this "test" fails.

JoMar 04-16-2015 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ahayward65 (Post 1046070)
The valet parking in theory is a great idea. My question is what happens when a show ends and 1000 people come out and want their vehicles?

Pretty much the same when 900+ came out of the Church on the Square. Not a big traffic difference and I doubt that 1000 people will use valet.

looneycat 04-16-2015 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FredJacobs (Post 1046072)
In answer to my original question, the owners of the valet company benefits, The Villages, by collecting fees from vendors, benefits. Possible losers are merchants and through them, the general population.

I urge everyone to assure that this "test" fails.

the obvious answer is, if the service prospers there is a need for it, no need no service. In the past I have seen valet services using remote lots taxiing their people to the lot to return cars. Not knowing their plan I am not going to assume anything.

JoMar 04-16-2015 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FredJacobs (Post 1046072)
In regard to the article about “testing” a valet parking service, I wonder who will benefit and who will lose out.

The charge for this service is purported to be $5 for golf carts and $10 for cars. The company representative said that the price is low when compared to other valet services. I may have seen an extra charge of $2 or so added to the parking fee but this is usually to assure that the valet gets a minimum tip. The same is true for venues that have free parking. Speaking of tips, the proposed valets had better be well paid because I don’t see anyone adding a tip.

In the diagram, that accompanied the article, it showed that 5 parking spaces (15 for golf carts – 3 carts parking perpendicular per space) would be lost to allow for dropping off the cars. Where will the valets park the vehicles in their care? Will they drive around and look for spots or will there be a large reserved area in the nearby parking lots? If the latter, then the result is a much greater loss in parking spots - maybe 20, 30 or even 40 spots that become unavailable to the public. All of this is added to the usual loss of parking spots on Market Nights. By the way, if they do set up a reserved area for the valets to park (I assume young men and women in their 20’s), I hope they have the good sense to rope off an area in the furthest corner of the lot and not make the rest park further away from the square. .

Having lived in large towns and cities, it has been my experience that when government imposes fees or taxes on an activity or product, it is because they want the added revenue or they want to reduce access to activity or both. The objective in this “test” is unclear. Is it to raise revenue? I laud the developer and the management team for their business acumen and entrepreneurship. But this seems to be squeezing nickels and dimes which, to me, is way beneath them. Is it to reduce the number of people coming to the squares? Why only Spanish Springs and Lake Sumter Landing? Is it to get more people to consider going to Brownwood? None of these reasons seem fair to the merchants and vendors at Lake Sumter or Spanish Springs?

Here, at The Villages, we do not pay for parking. I’m afraid that this “test” will only be seen as paying an extra $10 for entertainment, dining or shopping at the squares. This will affect merchants around the squares who may see a loss of revenue and raise their prices to compensate. The vendors at Market Nights have the additional choice of not participating. Either way, it affects us all.

In answer to my original question, the owners of the valet company benefits, The Villages, by collecting fees from vendors, benefits. Possible losers are merchants and through them, the general population.

I urge everyone to assure that this "test" fails.

Sorry Fred, I will be one of those that will do what ever I can to make sure it succeeds. It's just another one of those services that some people will want to use and I resent you trying to infringe on my freedom, or the freedom of choices for others in TV, to choose what works for me.

looneycat 04-16-2015 01:18 PM

:thumbup:
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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1046079)
Pretty much the same when 900+ came out of the Church on the Square. Not a big traffic difference and I doubt that 1000 people will use valet.

:thumbup:

Bonny 04-16-2015 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FredJacobs (Post 1046072)
In regard to the article about “testing” a valet parking service, I wonder who will benefit and who will lose out.

The charge for this service is purported to be $5 for golf carts and $10 for cars. The company representative said that the price is low when compared to other valet services. I may have seen an extra charge of $2 or so added to the parking fee but this is usually to assure that the valet gets a minimum tip. The same is true for venues that have free parking. Speaking of tips, the proposed valets had better be well paid because I don’t see anyone adding a tip.

In the diagram, that accompanied the article, it showed that 5 parking spaces (15 for golf carts – 3 carts parking perpendicular per space) would be lost to allow for dropping off the cars. Where will the valets park the vehicles in their care? Will they drive around and look for spots or will there be a large reserved area in the nearby parking lots? If the latter, then the result is a much greater loss in parking spots - maybe 20, 30 or even 40 spots that become unavailable to the public. All of this is added to the usual loss of parking spots on Market Nights. By the way, if they do set up a reserved area for the valets to park (I assume young men and women in their 20’s), I hope they have the good sense to rope off an area in the furthest corner of the lot and not make the rest park further away from the square. .

Having lived in large towns and cities, it has been my experience that when government imposes fees or taxes on an activity or product, it is because they want the added revenue or they want to reduce access to activity or both. The objective in this “test” is unclear. Is it to raise revenue? I laud the developer and the management team for their business acumen and entrepreneurship. But this seems to be squeezing nickels and dimes which, to me, is way beneath them. Is it to reduce the number of people coming to the squares? Why only Spanish Springs and Lake Sumter Landing? Is it to get more people to consider going to Brownwood? None of these reasons seem fair to the merchants and vendors at Lake Sumter or Spanish Springs?

Here, at The Villages, we do not pay for parking. I’m afraid that this “test” will only be seen as paying an extra $10 for entertainment, dining or shopping at the squares. This will affect merchants around the squares who may see a loss of revenue and raise their prices to compensate. The vendors at Market Nights have the additional choice of not participating. Either way, it affects us all.

In answer to my original question, the owners of the valet company benefits, The Villages, by collecting fees from vendors, benefits. Possible losers are merchants and through them, the general population.

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I urge everyone to assure that this "test" fails.

Really, are you serious ?


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