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ladydoc 11-20-2011 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Russ_Boston (Post 420264)
Same as Taj - I have no trouble with the drinking water from the filter in the refrigerator. But I don't know about other areas (we're in Buttonwood).

We are also in Buttonwood. Filtered drinking water from the fridge is good, but it does not address the damage to the appliances, horrible white spots on everything from the dishwasher (but mostly the glasses), white spots on the shower door and tile and dry hair.

graciegirl 11-20-2011 11:27 AM

The water here in the summer just smells to high heaven of bleach. Probably because heat promotes the growth of microoganisms and that is the way to kill them.

I haven't noticed any sulfur smell either in Hadley or in new house.

Pooh warned of orange mold in shower and Pooh is a meticulously good housekeeper. Orange mold is a new one for me, but all kinds of molds can grow in showers here simply because of the high humidity and the darkness. I don't think it has anything to do with water quality. More the surface and the circumstances. Those with windows in showers are better off. And with fans in showers too.

A weekly bleaching is good to deter mold in showers but sometimes straight bleach will break down the grout. Some will aim a portable fan toward the shower after using it and if you have a door on shower, leave it open to dry as well as it can.

We are in the semi tropics here, well maybe not technically, but you get what I mean.

ladydoc 11-20-2011 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 420285)
The water here in the summer just smells to high heaven of bleach. Probably because heat promotes the growth of microoganisms and that is the way to kill them.

I haven't noticed any sulfur smell either in Hadley or in new house.

Pooh warned of orange mold in shower and Pooh is a meticulously good housekeeper. Orange mold is a new one for me, but all kinds of molds can grow in showers here simply because of the high humidity and the darkness. I don't think it has anything to do with water quality. More the surface and the circumstances. Those with windows in showers are better off. And with fans in showers too.

A weekly bleaching is good to deter mold in showers but sometimes straight bleach will break down the grout. Some will aim a portable fan toward the shower after using it and if you have a door on shower, leave it open to dry as well as it can.

We are in the semi tropics here, well maybe not technically, but you get what I mean.

Hi Gracie- since we put in the water softener/water filter we have not had any orange moldy stuff....

Russ_Boston 11-20-2011 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ladydoc (Post 420289)
Hi Gracie- since we put in the water softener/water filter we have not had any orange moldy stuff....

You had it prior? You haven't been there that long have you? I haven't noticed any mold or white spots but then again we've only been down 5-6 weeks this year.

HelenLCSW 11-20-2011 12:00 PM

We have been living in Miami for over twenty years --more humid than the villages. While mold is an issue in Florida, the orange stuff is not mold, but minerals. Sounds as though there are two issues with the water in TV. The discoloration and calcification from minerals and tge taste of bleach from the chlorinization of the water to make it potable --so I guess that means we will need both a water softener to address the minerals and a filter to address the taste --or is there a one-size-fits-all?:oops:

janmcn 11-20-2011 12:43 PM

The Villages Drinking Water
 
I was told several years ago that vets were seeing a large number of kidney stones in dogs that they contributed to TV water. I gave my dogs only bottled water since 2004, but my 12 year old male pom has a kidney stone and there's nothing they can do about it.

graciegirl 11-20-2011 01:00 PM

You are right Russ. I haven't lived here long enough to get orange mold. I think Pooh had been here for five or six years when she saw it. She solved problem by removing tiles and putting in solid surface, no grout. I have never seen any kind of mold in showers here, House in Hadley, and rental except black kind. And our house here is only six weeks lived in so no mold at all yet and no big problem with water. BUT it tastes and smells more bleachy than Cincinnati.

We only had Hadley house for three years and only saw a little black mold in shower under shower stoop (We had door) and in corners.

No one I know personally has ever told me their hair turned orange..:wave:

ladydoc 11-20-2011 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Russ_Boston (Post 420295)
You had it prior? You haven't been there that long have you? I haven't noticed any mold or white spots but then again we've only been down 5-6 weeks this year.

Yes, we had it before we put the water conditioner/water filter in. We were here in July and put in the water conditioner in October. And that was long enough for the orange stuff to appear.

ladydoc 11-20-2011 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HelenLCSW (Post 420296)
We have been living in Miami for over twenty years --more humid than the villages. While mold is an issue in Florida, the orange stuff is not mold, but minerals. Sounds as though there are two issues with the water in TV. The discoloration and calcification from minerals and tge taste of bleach from the chlorinization of the water to make it potable --so I guess that means we will need both a water softener to address the minerals and a filter to address the taste --or is there a one-size-fits-all?:oops:

Yes..go to Sear.com and go to water softeners. The hybrid one for $799 is both a water softener AND a whole house water filter. It works great...solved all the water and mold and orange stuff issues.

graciegirl 11-20-2011 01:09 PM

Dying to know what it is. Just curious as to how many have seen orange stuff in shower, and the opinion of expert in the field as to it's origin.

If there is a fungus among us, there must be a biochemist by trade too.

Gracie, who still lives by the scientific method.

lovsthosebigdogs 11-20-2011 02:17 PM

Soft Water Question
 
I don't mean to sound stupid, but my only experience with 'soft water' is a trip years ago to my aunt's house and she had a whole house water softener which made my skin and hair feel like I could never wash the soap/shampoo out. The feeling was so awful that I was in the shower for twice as long as usual until she finally came up and asked if I was ok. I told her my skin and hair seemed soapy after several minutes under the water and I couldn't wash out the soap. She laughed and said it was only the softener. Is that the way it is for everyone and do you just have to adjust to that feeling? Or, have they made improvements to the system in the many years since I experienced this as a teenager? I sure hope that this isn't the way I have to live the rest of my days, never knowing if the soap is on or off (truly, no exaggeration on the feeling in my memory. It has stayed with me for 40+ years).
Can anyone tell me if their softener makes any noticable difference when showering or washing?

Bogie Shooter 11-20-2011 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lovsthosebigdogs (Post 420332)
I don't mean to sound stupid, but my only experience with 'soft water' is a trip years ago to my aunt's house and she had a whole house water softener which made my skin and hair feel like I could never wash the soap/shampoo out. The feeling was so awful that I was in the shower for twice as long as usual until she finally came up and asked if I was ok. I told her my skin and hair seemed soapy after several minutes under the water and I couldn't wash out the soap. She laughed and said it was only the softener. Is that the way it is for everyone and do you just have to adjust to that feeling? Or, have they made improvements to the system in the many years since I experienced this as a teenager? I sure hope that this isn't the way I have to live the rest of my days, never knowing if the soap is on or off (truly, no exaggeration on the feeling in my memory. It has stayed with me for 40+ years).
Can anyone tell me if their softener makes any noticable difference when showering or washing?

This may help...............

Do you have hard water? If you do, you may have a water softener to help protect your plumbing from scale buildup, prevent soap scum, and lessen the amount of soap and detergent needed for cleaning. You've probably heard that cleaners work better in soft water than in hard water, but does that mean you will feel cleaner if you bathe in soft water? Actually, no. Rinsing in soft water may leave you feeling a little slippery and soapy, even after a thorough rinsing. Why? The answer lies in understanding the chemistry of soft water and soap.
Hard water contains calcium and magnesium ions. Water softeners remove those ions by exchanging them for sodium or potassium ions. Two factors contribute to that slippery-when-wet feeling you get after soaping up with soft water. First, soap lathers better in soft water than in hard water, so it's easy to use too much. The more dissolved soap there is, the more water you need to rinse it away. Second, the ions in softened water lessen its ability to 'stick' to the soap molecules, making it more difficult to rinse the cleanser off your body.

The reaction between a triglyceride molecule (fat) and sodium hydroxide (lye) to make soap yields a molecule of glycerol with three ionically-bonded molecules of sodium stearate (the 'soap' part of soap). This sodium salt will give up the sodium ion to water, while the stearate ion will precipitate out of solution if it comes into contact with an ion that binds it more strongly than sodium (e.g., the magnesium or calcium in hard water). The magnesium stearate or calcium stearate is a waxy solid that you know as soap scum. It can form a ring on your tub, but it rinses off your body. The sodium or potassium in soft water makes it much more unfavorable for the sodium stearate to give up its sodium ion so that it can form an insoluble compound and get rinsed away. Instead, the stearate clings to the slightly charged surface of your skin. Essentially, soap would rather stick to you than get rinsed away in soft water.

There are a few ways you can address the problem. You can use less soap, try a synthetic liquid body wash (synthetic detergent or syndet), or rinse with naturally-soft water or rainwater (probably won't contain elevated levels of sodium or potassium).

graciegirl 11-20-2011 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 420336)
This may help...............

Do you have hard water? If you do, you may have a water softener to help protect your plumbing from scale buildup, prevent soap scum, and lessen the amount of soap and detergent needed for cleaning. You've probably heard that cleaners work better in soft water than in hard water, but does that mean you will feel cleaner if you bathe in soft water? Actually, no. Rinsing in soft water may leave you feeling a little slippery and soapy, even after a thorough rinsing. Why? The answer lies in understanding the chemistry of soft water and soap.
Hard water contains calcium and magnesium ions. Water softeners remove those ions by exchanging them for sodium or potassium ions. Two factors contribute to that slippery-when-wet feeling you get after soaping up with soft water. First, soap lathers better in soft water than in hard water, so it's easy to use too much. The more dissolved soap there is, the more water you need to rinse it away. Second, the ions in softened water lessen its ability to 'stick' to the soap molecules, making it more difficult to rinse the cleanser off your body.

The reaction between a triglyceride molecule (fat) and sodium hydroxide (lye) to make soap yields a molecule of glycerol with three ionically-bonded molecules of sodium stearate (the 'soap' part of soap). This sodium salt will give up the sodium ion to water, while the stearate ion will precipitate out of solution if it comes into contact with an ion that binds it more strongly than sodium (e.g., the magnesium or calcium in hard water). The magnesium stearate or calcium stearate is a waxy solid that you know as soap scum. It can form a ring on your tub, but it rinses off your body. The sodium or potassium in soft water makes it much more unfavorable for the sodium stearate to give up its sodium ion so that it can form an insoluble compound and get rinsed away. Instead, the stearate clings to the slightly charged surface of your skin. Essentially, soap would rather stick to you than get rinsed away in soft water.

There are a few ways you can address the problem. You can use less soap, try a synthetic liquid body wash (synthetic detergent or syndet), or rinse with naturally-soft water or rainwater (probably won't contain elevated levels of sodium or potassium).

And I thought you were just another pretty face...........

Bogie Shooter 11-20-2011 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 420356)
And I thought you were just another pretty face...........

Gracie, Its just Google.com......................

Russ_Boston 11-21-2011 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ladydoc (Post 420311)
Yes, we had it before we put the water conditioner/water filter in. We were here in July and put in the water conditioner in October. And that was long enough for the orange stuff to appear.

3 months was very quick and hopefully it was an exception. Anyone else (especially in Buttonwood or newer sections) have this orange mold issue? I'll certainly be on the lookout (but then again I don't think I'd overlook something orange growing in my shower:))

lovsthosebigdogs 11-21-2011 07:06 PM

Thanks
 
[QUOTE=Bogie Shooter;420336]This may help...............

This was much more of an explanation than I ever expected but it was pretty impressive. Google or not, I was glad to get it. I guess I can get used to it or use less soap/shampoo or, as you said, change to a different kind. That slippery feeling is what I was talking about and it is weird but a person can get used to anything in paradise!

thekeithfan 11-25-2011 08:12 AM

Salt
 
Actually salty water is good for the palms. In fact I salt my palms with epsom salt every other month. Makes them green and grow like they are on something!

B. Johnson 11-25-2011 08:49 AM

Tamarind Grove Water Question
 
Have read many comments about water quality in various areas of TV; anyone care to comment about the water taste, smell, hardness in Tamarind Grove?

CarGuys 11-25-2011 10:37 AM

I am interested
 
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Originally Posted by B. Johnson (Post 422079)
Have read many comments about water quality in various areas of TV; anyone care to comment about the water taste, smell, hardness in Tamarind Grove?

As a owner there I am going to be very interested. I am going to have my friends in Tamarind who are there now have the water tested.

Bogie Shooter 11-25-2011 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CarGuys (Post 422109)
As a owner there I am going to be very interested. I am going to have my friends in Tamarind who are there now have the water tested.

Be sure you know the reputation of the one doing the testing.

ladydoc 11-25-2011 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CarGuys (Post 422109)
As a owner there I am going to be very interested. I am going to have my friends in Tamarind who are there now have the water tested.

You just need to taste it....

CarGuys 11-25-2011 09:39 PM

Taste
 
Thank you for your recommendation. This July we did.

That is why I am getting it tested by a independant lab. Not a water salesperson or the local water authority.

With a Cattle pasture in back of our home. Drainage ponds everywhere, fertilizer and who knows what that runs off the streets and down into the Aguifers. Puplic water has to be safe. Chlorine kills everything.
I believe in test don't guess.

It's a CarGuy thing. Verify don't assume.

Russ_Boston 11-27-2011 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CarGuys (Post 422279)
That is why I am getting it tested by a independant lab. Not a water salesperson or the local water authority.

....

Verify don't assume.

Very smart on your part. Think I'll do the same.

ladydoc 11-27-2011 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Russ_Boston (Post 422728)
Very smart on your part. Think I'll do the same.

You guys are right about testing for the nasties and crawlies, but even if there are none (and there won't be none) it would still taste terrible.

Russ_Boston 11-27-2011 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ladydoc (Post 422731)
You guys are right about testing for the nasties and crawlies, but even if there are none (and there won't be none) it would still taste terrible.

Actually don't mind the taste from the refrigerator filter.

CarGuys 11-27-2011 02:56 PM

Giardia and others
 
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov AKA Beaver Fever! - NO Snide rude JOKES Please

This is why the Nasty chlorine taste, Even in the Finger lakes where we have a 300 ft deep ice cold 16 mile long class AAA drinking water lake that supplies all of Syacuse and surrounding areas.

Skaneateles was just told it has to better treat its water without chlorine.

There are so many Dairy Farms and Golf Courses and People with Lawn Treatments. It all runs down hill folks.

As a side note -More waste oil runs into our Oceans every single day from drainage run offs, leaking cars equipment etc. Than the Valdez Oil Spill did in one day in Alaska.

One Gallon of used motor oil can contaminate one million gallons of fresh drinking water. So that leaking Golf Cart, Tractor, Truck drips. It rains it washes off to TV street drains and thats not the end of the story?

CaptJohn 11-27-2011 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CarGuys (Post 422279)
I believe in test don't guess.

Verify don't assume.

Ditto. :agree: The old 'trust but verify' thing of the cold war.

rubicon 11-27-2011 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CarGuys (Post 422800)
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov AKA Beaver Fever! - NO Snide rude JOKES Please

This is why the Nasty chlorine taste, Even in the Finger lakes where we have a 300 ft deep ice cold 16 mile long class AAA drinking water lake that supplies all of Syacuse and surrounding areas.

Skaneateles was just told it has to better treat its water without chlorine.

There are so many Dairy Farms and Golf Courses and People with Lawn Treatments. It all runs down hill folks.

As a side note -More waste oil runs into our Oceans every single day from drainage run offs, leaking cars equipment etc. Than the Valdez Oil Spill did in one day in Alaska.

One Gallon of used motor oil can contaminate one million gallons of fresh drinking water. So that leaking Golf Cart, Tractor, Truck drips. It rains it washes off to TV street drains and thats not the end of the story?

Allied signal contaminated Lake Ontario. The heavy development all around Skaneateles Lake didn't help there. Owasco lake is landlocked and that helps it. I haven't been on Cayuga lake or Oneida lake for some time.
and Cayuga Lakes

CarGuys 11-28-2011 12:13 AM

Prison
 
They built a prison on a old farm in Moravia at the end of Owasco. They dump the " Treated" sewage right into a fresh water drinking lake! And when it rains hard the plant by passes treatments.

The water there has been on alert for years and beach swim warnings.

Ontario is OK Allied Chemical runined Onondaga Lake. It has become a marvelous study of how with care and $$$$$$$ of treatment a dead lake can come back alive again. VERY SLOW! but returning. Will Salmom ever swim in it again as in the past???

Yes developement has hurt many areas. In TV I am concerned about the water tables lowering and our homes going into sink holes. But that is another topic

Thanks for the reply.

Regards- Herv

graciegirl 11-28-2011 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CarGuys (Post 422959)
They built a prison on a old farm in Moravia at the end of Owasco. They dump the " Treated" sewage right into a fresh water drinking lake! And when it rains hard the plant by passes treatments.

The water there has been on alert for years and beach swim warnings.

Ontario is OK Allied Chemical runined Onondaga Lake. It has become a marvelous study of how with care and $$$$$$$ of treatment a dead lake can come back alive again. VERY SLOW! but returning. Will Salmom ever swim in it again as in the past???

Yes developement has hurt many areas. In TV I am concerned about the water tables lowering and our homes going into sink holes. But that is another topic

Thanks for the reply.

Regards- Herv

Carguy...what makes me think you are a worrier?? Maybe because I am one too...or used to be.

Look around you here and you will see folks who are walking upright and drink the water everyday. If it was making them sick, there would be a huge outcry. I think that the filtered water from the refrigerator is fine and if you want to be sure add a little alcohol. That should get rid of any microscopic critters.

Water is easy to have tested, but don't rely on the guys trying to sell you something.

Good Morning Herve!:wave:

wesmin 11-28-2011 08:19 AM

back water flush
 
Back water flush is housed outside and returned to ground water.

CarGuys 11-29-2011 11:10 PM

Correct
 
Yep its mostly a three part problem Gracie, Me thinks my posts read worse than my concerns. How else can I get to 8000 like you.

Part one- My dermatologists and countless meds from City water. Took a trip to the Adirondacks MTS for a week this Fall all problems cleared up. Was the water.

Visited TV. Fell in Love with the people area and homes. Did not fall in Love with the water. Problems returned.

Part three- Have spent way to many hours in Earth science environmental class's and field trips. My students have to learn the cause and effect of a Automobile and its carbon foot print from Well to Wheels and then recycled back.

After visiting countless water treatment plants and sewage treatment plants I recieved Wayyyyyyyy to many visuals and information..

It will all be fine! I just have to start drinking Jack Daniels again! but thats another post.

See you in January- Merry Christmas All

graciegirl 11-30-2011 06:40 AM

Car.

Each of my kids and grandkids went through a stage of being vegetarians because the idea of eating an animal was so abhorrant to them at the time. Schools try to educate but sometimes they sensitize in areas that are not good for visual pictures for your whole life. Some of us are way more visual than others and we really don't need to see the xxxx floating in what will become drinking water.

Nature has it's own processes of restoring water to clean...or fairly clean and now we are doing the job for nature.

It is just like surgery, not everyone wants or needs to know the visual, even though our lives depend on it.

So everyone who just read what I wrote above take deep breaths and look at all the folks in golf carts driving around not sick or dead from the water. And if I have ruined drinking water for the rest of your lives, please choose something healthy to drink.

The water we drink has been recycled for.......ever. AND we are still here, now thanks to the processes of modern science.

Good morning all. I really do just love all of you.

CarGuys 11-30-2011 07:59 AM

The water we drink has been recycled for.......ever. AND we are still here, now thanks to the processes of modern science.

Good morning all. I really do just love all of you.[/QUOTE]

Now if you can only find that recycled fountain of youth Gracei we will be all set .

Have a good day which I know you will .Were off to the stress pitt.

Herv

KNOLEN 11-30-2011 01:10 PM

We are new here and are also wondering if a filter system for the water is what we should get. Would love to hear from all.

CarGuys 12-01-2011 11:42 PM

Home Depot
 
If you are so inclined.

Home Depot will give you a envelope with a test strip in it.

It is from Rain Soft they have been testing water since 1953.

No charge to the homewoner and not affilated with local City Water or County Health Departments.

PM me with the results.

Gracie - I'm trying!

I will not worry
I will not worry
I will not worry:icon_bored:

Villages PL 12-02-2011 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LB (Post 418548)
I will search previous posts, but have decided that we will just drink it. Probably better than bottled water.

Good decision! I've been drinking TV water since 1999 and enjoy great health. (Actually, I've been drinking Florida well-water since 1969.)

There's always a lot of concern about drinking water and I don't blame anyone for being concerned. If only people would be as concerned about all the other stuff they put in their mouth.

:wave:

2BNTV 12-02-2011 02:00 PM

WOW - I am a big drinker of water.

I guess I'm going to have to put drinking water in the budget. :jester:

Russ_Boston 12-02-2011 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 2BNTV (Post 424584)
WOW - I am a big drinker of water.

I guess I'm going to have to put drinking water in the budget. :jester:

I drink filtered tap but has anyone seen the ad for 'zero water'? Maybe this would be a cheaper alt than bottled if you are so inclined.

Doodlegirl 12-02-2011 07:58 PM

If you look at Housefacts for North Sumter Utility, you
 
would niether drink or bathe in the water. That report appears to be 2010,
I will be looking forward to the 2011 report. Very bad, and I believe it was
Lady Doc who reported it as 2.1 on a list of 10 as the highest and best score.
I've lived in Florida for nearly 40 years, I've not seen this low a mark on water quality in those years. When I got out of my shower this a.m. I thought I was standing in a swamp. Can't let this continue without calling the water quality people in...shocking, and shocked. And the smell is horrible.
Not smart to say we see lots of people walking, upright in TV, we don't really know how much this bad water situation in some of the villages might be
impacting health on an ongoing basis. I wish the developer didn't own the
water supply in my village...am afraid I might be put on an ice floe like the old
eskimo's if I complain. Very bad marks, very bad 'stuff' in the water in Duval, at least.


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