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DAVES 07-29-2021 09:59 AM

For me this is like reading book 6 of a ten volume set. Our fire and emt service is great.
Surely, my fault, I was not aware the Villages is separately funded.
Normal current government is to equalize. Take from what works to support what does not. Result is that the best will deteriorate and the worst will get better.
Reality. For me it is all like reading a mystery and someone told you how it ends.

villagesff 07-29-2021 10:04 AM

Get involved
 
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Originally Posted by Kevin Knussman (Post 1980028)
I would love to learn more. Is there a way to stop at a fire station and ask questions.
You are welcome to email me at knussmank@gmail.com.

Call the Villages Public Safety Department or stop in at any Villages Fire Station. Grab one of us when we’re out. All will explain the situation to you, they also have informational flyers to pass out.
Go to the Sumter BOCC meetings and let them know how you feel
Email, write and call your commissioner

DAVES 07-29-2021 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackhawksFan (Post 1980068)
I am a retired deputy chief from a good size northeastern city I served nearly 25 years. In addition to that I also volunteered for the department in the town I grew up in and later raised my family in.

The volunteer department was one of several in town that were all separate fire districts. Each had its own board of fire commissioners, constitution and by laws. They bought their own apparatus, paid call firefighters and volunteer stipends, had their own fire chief, fire officers and firefighters totally independent of each other. It has been like this since the 1860s. Over those 160+ years the districts have learned to work together not only at emergency scenes but have meetings a few times a year to discuss mutually funded situations like our inter-department technical rescue team.

Each fire district was created by state law. It was done this way so they could effectively tax their district residents for fire services. For many years each district used to do their own tax collection but in the early 90s they turned that over to the town for a 1% administrative fee. These fire districts can not be disbanded without a vote of the district taxpayers and then a second vote of the state legislature. Each year there is a district meeting where the residents approve the tax rate and budget for the upcoming fiscal year. There may be special meetings through out the year for large non budget items such as major building repairs or to purchase new apparatus.

I found working under a municipality vs working under a fire district was definitely different but I preferred the fire district. We always had the best equipment, the firefighters that are paid make very good wages and benefits, their training both in house and from the outside is outstanding for bother care we and volunteer personnel. Over the years I found the district more willing to listen to the firefighters and citizens then any municipality because that was their lone responsibility. While both are held accountable for spending, their actions, etc the district commissioners seemed to take their responsibilities more seriously and always strived to provide the best services to their districts.

A tax district to me is the way to go. As someone who has used the EMS service here the Villages FD paramedics are outstanding. AMR's personnel are also very good it's the management of that entire company nationwide that is poor. Since the end of May we used EMS twice for my 80 yr old mother who had difficulty breathing/minor heart attack. Both times VFD was here quickly somewhere around 4 minutes. It was the county service that was the issue. Each time we waited, the first time was around 20-25 minutes as they came from somewhere further west of us, the second time was slightly longer. I couldn't imagine waiting that long for help w/o the VFD paramedics.

It's been my experience when firefighters want to do something and believe in something to let them do it. These VFD members will continue to provide top notch services if they do this. Yes there will be costs for manpower and equipment but that's the cost of doing business. If it helps provide better, quicker, more efficient medical care I'm all for it.

I know this is probably all over the place but I wanted to give people who have never dealt with an independent taxing district an idea of what it is like. If you have any questions feel free to ask.

We also lived in a town with a volunteer fire dept. They would regularly, aggressively, shake us down to donate to them. Hum, after we paid off our mortgage and so were paying our tax bill direct. Our taxes paid for the fire equipment including the new truck, new fire house etc. Our donation and we gave quite a bit was to cover beer etc.

As far as government, I view it as a necessary EVIL. I do a lot of research before voting.
I do my best not to deal with any of them.

Darlene Lansing 07-29-2021 10:10 AM

I plan to attend the meeting ,
But in the event I can’t make it , how do I contact our Board if Commissioners .
Please provide the contact info !

oldtimes 07-29-2021 10:14 AM

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The Caretaker 07-29-2021 10:21 AM

So true! They were facing bankruptcy until TVs stepped in. They do not know how to run a district as large as TV and provide the services we NEED!

Fenster 07-29-2021 10:41 AM

Thank you Villages Fire Department!
 
We thank you for all you do. Best of luck. We hope you prevail.

I have found the members to be professional, polite, and dedicated.

oldtimes 07-29-2021 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene Lansing (Post 1980089)
I plan to attend the meeting ,
But in the event I can’t make it , how do I contact our Board if Commissioners .
Please provide the contact info !

Please see post #25

GypsyRN 07-29-2021 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene Lansing (Post 1980089)
I plan to attend the meeting ,
But in the event I can’t make it , how do I contact our Board if Commissioners .
Please provide the contact info !

See post #25 for contact info.

lorilorilori 07-29-2021 11:11 AM

Thank you for sharing this Info
 
With P/T residents, F/T workers, F/T players ... it is so hard to keep up w politics nationally and locally. TY 4 sharing this info. :bigbow:

mjpuleo 07-29-2021 01:00 PM

Get more manpower for both the EMS and Fire Department and continue as it is now.

HoosierPa 07-29-2021 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by villagesff (Post 1979572)
Hi
I am writing this as a resident and a Villages Firefighter. Bradley Arnold is trying to take away your Fire Department! It sounds strange, but it is what is happening. I am not going to belittle the men and women of Sumter County FD or AMR, but your Villages Firefighters are under attack. We provide you with many services that neither organization will provide. We as an organization do it for less per call than Sumter FD with better manning. Our Firefighters are treated better because the residents care to have the best services. Take a look outside of the Villages and see if there is a difference, I will discuss and or answer any of your questions truthfully and the best I can if you have any. You all need to let The Sumter Board of Commissioners know you want to keep your Villages Firefighters. Sorry this is so long. I know there will be trolls and naysayers and that’s okay, I just wanted you all to know what is going on.
Stay safe

Bradley Arnold is just doing his job. He is making suggestions to improve service. Give it a break

villagesff 07-29-2021 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackhawksFan (Post 1980012)
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Can you tell me what the current staffing wants to do? If it were put to a vote which option would the majority choose?

Are you guys unionized through the IAFF?

The Villages Firefighters are represented by IAFF local 4770. They are very active in this fight as well as the admin staff of the dept. Speaking ex officious, I believe the staff is 100% against combining with the county under county control. I believe the majority would prefer the independent tax district, but again that is my opinion from speaking with people.

Two Bills 07-29-2021 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by HoosierPa (Post 1980236)
Bradley Arnold is just doing his job. He is making suggestions to improve service. Give it a break

As far as TVFS is concerned, is Mr. Arnold not trying to 'fix' what isn't broken?

Stu from NYC 07-29-2021 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1980278)
As far as TVFS is concerned, is Mr. Arnold not trying to 'fix' what isn't broken?

Is he doing what his boss the developer told him to do?

Dond1959 07-29-2021 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1980353)
Is he doing what his boss the developer told him to do?

You know Arnold works for the BOCC, but your hate for the developer clouds all your replies. Ask the 3 knuckleheads you guys elected what they plan to do. No matter what the advisory group recommends it is ultimately up to the BOCC which is controlled by the 3 stooges. It will be interesting to see if they foul up this decision like they have on other decisions over the past 6 months (impact fees and trying to raise the fire assessment by 300%).

villager@casa-aloha.net 07-30-2021 09:12 PM

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The Villages FD is opposed to merging staff and equipment with Sumter Co. Please attend the Ad Hoc Committee meeting @ Wildwood Community Center, 4 August, 7PM. Your voice matters.

Stu from NYC 07-31-2021 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dond1959 (Post 1980356)
You know Arnold works for the BOCC, but your hate for the developer clouds all your replies. Ask the 3 knuckleheads you guys elected what they plan to do. No matter what the advisory group recommends it is ultimately up to the BOCC which is controlled by the 3 stooges. It will be interesting to see if they foul up this decision like they have on other decisions over the past 6 months (impact fees and trying to raise the fire assessment by 300%).

First of all I do not hate the developer. I think the family has done a brilliant job developing this place and applaud them for it.

What I do not like is their political control of the legislature here.

Have said all along that Sumter county and the developer should compromise on the impact fees so that the county can keep growing.

villagesff 07-31-2021 11:28 AM

To answer some of the questions. We are specifically talking about the Fire rescue. They, BOCC/ Arnold ere trying to take away. The ambulance transport could/ should be done by the FD as in most of the state.
Yes, with a possible caveat. The Villages FD could start transport as soon as legally possible. (Not as long as the naysayers say). We would have to increase some personnel, probably from the existing contract service.
As far as taxes and the rest of the county regular taxes and the Fire assessment for the rest of theSumter county would cover theirs. The county would also have to increase if the transport as well.

TCLaD 07-31-2021 02:36 PM

Who Would?
 
If County takes over, would they in turn have to pay for and buy the Villages Fire Stations, Fire Trucks and First Responder vehicles and rescue equipment from The Villages Fire District? Who own all this now?

villagesff 07-31-2021 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLaD (Post 1981321)
If County takes over, would they in turn have to pay for and buy the Villages Fire Stations, Fire Trucks and First Responder vehicles and rescue equipment from The Villages Fire District? Who own all this now?

Yes, I am pretty sure they would have to purchase a good portion of the assets.

Taltarzac725 07-31-2021 09:52 PM

I found the fire station first responders who came here to Lynnhaven very often last Summer and Fall (2020) very professional. Think we had people from different fire stations.

They did hint that I should look into home health care as I called 911 a lot. Which I did. Found someone good.

Would need a lot more information though about what is going on with the Fire Stations to make any kind of comments.

TCLaD 08-01-2021 07:38 AM

That alone would cost tax payers millions of dollars. TV has built many beautiful firehouses. I can see Sumer County closing some of them as their plan for providing county coverage and response time seems to be very different than The Village's current plan. Closing fire houses is a very common practice in city/county run departments to save on money.

njbchbum 08-01-2021 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1980975)
First of all I do not hate the developer. I think the family has done a brilliant job developing this place and applaud them for it.

What I do not like is their political control of the legislature here.

Have said all along that Sumter county and the developer should compromise on the impact fees so that the county can keep growing.

Compromise!?!?! Didn't the Developer offer to pay a 40% higher impact fee and the Commissioners turned the offer down?

Bill14564 08-01-2021 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by villagesff (Post 1981254)
To answer some of the questions. We are specifically talking about the Fire rescue. They, BOCC/ Arnold ere trying to take away. The ambulance transport could/ should be done by the FD as in most of the state.
Yes, with a possible caveat. The Villages FD could start transport as soon as legally possible. (Not as long as the naysayers say). We would have to increase some personnel, probably from the existing contract service.
As far as taxes and the rest of the county regular taxes and the Fire assessment for the rest of theSumter county would cover theirs. The county would also have to increase if the transport as well.

Thank you for this.

The county would not take over TVFD in order to fix what is broken in TV, the county would take over in order to utilize funds and manpower from TVFD in order to try to fix what is broken in the rest of the county. The suburban nature of TV and the rural nature of most of the rest of the county require different approaches; a one-size-fits-all solution won't work. There is nothing good that could come of this.

While an independent taxing district would come with additional overhead, it may be the only way to protect TVFD by moving it out of reach of the county.

The current ambulance situation is a separate problem though it will likely be used to make changes in the FD service too. As I understand it from reading these posts, TVFD provides great, timely response for emergency calls but they do not transport patients. The ambulance transports patients but does not provide timely response. If TVFD was to provide transport service then they would need to increase staff and equipment.

No matter what happens we will likely be paying more in the future:

1. If the county takes over TVFD then the service will likely decline as resources are pulled away and costs will increase in an attempt to regain the service levels. If the county does not take over TVFD then costs will increase as they attempt to provide the same service levels in the rest of the county.

2. If an independent taxing district is established then our FD assessment might decrease but since the county will no longer receive FD assessments from TV, they will need to increase property taxes to make up for the loss.

3. If TVFD is tasked to provide ambulance/transport services then they will need funding for additional equipment and manpower.

I don't mind paying a little more for better services. When given an opportunity, I'll vote for the addition of ambulance/transport services to TVFD and an independent district to run it.

villagesff 08-02-2021 06:53 AM

Action
 
Hello again
The main thing I want to say is If you want to keep your Villages Fire Rescue, Please come to the Ad hoc EMS committee and the Sumter BOCC meetings and make sure you let them know that you want to keep your Fire/rescue Dept. Write emails and make phone calls too, But COME TO THE MEETINGS. It is up to you.

Thanks

dotti105 08-04-2021 04:52 PM

As members of our Village's AED team we attended the Fire Chief's meeting today at Lake Deaton. It is amazing that the County Commission wants to dismantle our outstanding Fire and Public Safety Dept. The ambulance response time is documented to be lousy and has been historically. The emphasis should be on fixing the Ambulance service, not modifying the Fire and Public Safety Dept. We will be attending the AdHoc committee meeting tonight and will be writing our county commissioners.

Please speak up, or we will lose our Fire Dept. This decision is being made in just a few weeks.

Educate yourselves on this issue and speak up.


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