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retiredguy123 05-18-2025 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kansasr (Post 2432206)
Junk mail provides approximately 20% of all USPS revenues and helps subsidize first-class mail. As small price to pay to have to deal with what comes to your individual mail box.

FedEx and UPS would be happy to deliver junk mail, if it was profitable. It's not. Only the Government can afford to lose money every year and stay in business.

Rsb23 05-18-2025 06:50 AM

Wrong
 
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Originally Posted by mikreb (Post 2432192)
USPS might be profitable if they'd stop wasting time delivering junk mail. Do you see UPS or FedEx delivering stuff no one wants. I clean out my mailbox once a week and it's packed with all junk/trash.

The USPS (United States Postal Service) is primarily funded by its own operations, relying on revenues from the sale of postage, products, and services. It's not funded by taxpayer money, unlike most other federal agencies, and is designed to be self-sufficient. However, Congress can provide supplemental funding, as seen in the Postal Service Reform Act of 2022, and the USPS may also receive taxpayer funds during crises, like the COVID-19 pandemic.

Without the “junk mail” they wouldn’t have any money to operate. Who uses snail mail? Most use email and have gone paperless for most things.

It’s sad that we sometimes listen to bad information and believe is the way our world is. Cutting the small federal funds will safe little, but cost us the “taxpayers “ greatly. Very sad the way our world seems too be going.

retiredguy123 05-18-2025 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rsb23 (Post 2432213)
The USPS (United States Postal Service) is primarily funded by its own operations, relying on revenues from the sale of postage, products, and services. It's not funded by taxpayer money, unlike most other federal agencies, and is designed to be self-sufficient. However, Congress can provide supplemental funding, as seen in the Postal Service Reform Act of 2022, and the USPS may also receive taxpayer funds during crises, like the COVID-19 pandemic.

Without the “junk mail” they wouldn’t have any money to operate. Who uses snail mail? Most use email and have gone paperless for most things.

It’s sad that we sometimes listen to bad information and believe is the way our world is. Cutting the small federal funds will safe little, but cost us the “taxpayers “ greatly. Very sad the way our world seems too be going.

Read their own reports:

"The U.S. Postal Service (USPS) reported a net loss of $9.5 billion in fiscal year 2024. This was an increase from the $6.5 billion loss in the previous year. The USPS anticipates another net loss of $6.9 billion for fiscal year 2025.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
FY2024 Loss: USPS reported a $9.5 billion net loss for fiscal year 2024.
FY2025 Projection: The agency expects to end fiscal year 2025 with a $6.9 billion net loss.
Factors Contributing to Losses: USPS attributed a significant portion of its losses to retiree costs and workers' compensation payments, which are largely beyond its control. The company also faces challenges with declining mail volume.
Reform Efforts: The USPS is implementing a 10-year "Delivering for America" plan to address its operational and financial issues. However, the agency is still falling short of its goal to break even."

merrymini 05-18-2025 07:13 AM

We are losing a lot of money to get almost nothing but unwanted junk in the mail box. Times have changed and the post office should change along with it. I would guess about 90 percent is unnecessary trash. All my important stuff is on line. People do not even send Christmas cards any more.

Bill14564 05-18-2025 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 2432220)
We are losing a lot of money to get almost nothing but unwanted junk in the mail box. Times have changed and the post office should change along with it. I would guess about 90 percent is unnecessary trash. All my important stuff is on line. People do not even send Christmas cards any more.

A lot of what we consider wasteful, expensive, and unnecessary becomes absolutely critical when it is needed. That siren that annoys you when they test it can be a lifesaver when used to warn of a tornado. That seatbelt that is such a pain in the neck and has never helped you at all might save your life one day. And that inefficient, expensive USPS that you spend a lot of money on to get almost nothing but unwanted junk mails (90% at least) delivers that other 10% which is not unwanted and can include financial statements, notices required by the government, mail-in ballots, and Christmas cards.

Don't think just about the 90% that you don't want, consider what would happen if you didn't receive the 10% that you do want.

G.R.I.T.S. 05-18-2025 07:40 AM

Before you place blame on current policies, TV developers offered land for a new post office as they were planning their expansion south when buildout was expected to be 2015. It was declined.

Bill14564 05-18-2025 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S. (Post 2432224)
Before you place blame on current policies, TV developers offered land for a new post office as they were planning their expansion south when buildout was expected to be 2015. It was declined.

Does that mean TV told the USPS that they would not go beyond 44 but offered land for a post office somewhere in the Brownwood area? If that is the case then with Lady Lake already handling the volume, with Wildwood just three miles away, and with no homes south of 44 to service I can understand why the offer would be declined.

Topspinmo 05-18-2025 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rsb23 (Post 2432213)
The USPS (United States Postal Service) is primarily funded by its own operations, relying on revenues from the sale of postage, products, and services. It's not funded by taxpayer money, unlike most other federal agencies, and is designed to be self-sufficient. However, Congress can provide supplemental funding, as seen in the Postal Service Reform Act of 2022, and the USPS may also receive taxpayer funds during crises, like the COVID-19 pandemic.

Without the “junk mail” they wouldn’t have any money to operate. Who uses snail mail? Most use email and have gone paperless for most things.

It’s sad that we sometimes listen to bad information and believe is the way our world is. Cutting the small federal funds will safe little, but cost us the “taxpayers “ greatly. Very sad the way our world seems to be going.


IMO the problem like most federal agencies too many outrageously over paid management/ supervisors/quality control that don’t control quality and not enough worker grade employees. Seems like when the cut it always one actually doing the work and one’s making the decisions don’t cut their own throats. The actual work don’t get done and costs are same or rise.

I wonder if USPS has Flex Time hours for it management like federal government? Another fraudulent management system for management cause they can’t/won’t deal with people coming in late.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-18-2025 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2432215)
Read their own reports:

"The U.S. Postal Service (USPS) reported a net loss of $9.5 billion in fiscal year 2024. This was an increase from the $6.5 billion loss in the previous year. The USPS anticipates another net loss of $6.9 billion for fiscal year 2025.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
FY2024 Loss: USPS reported a $9.5 billion net loss for fiscal year 2024.
FY2025 Projection: The agency expects to end fiscal year 2025 with a $6.9 billion net loss.
Factors Contributing to Losses: USPS attributed a significant portion of its losses to retiree costs and workers' compensation payments, which are largely beyond its control. The company also faces challenges with declining mail volume.
Reform Efforts: The USPS is implementing a 10-year "Delivering for America" plan to address its operational and financial issues. However, the agency is still falling short of its goal to break even."

Curious: does the Army report their financial shortcomings? When was the last time the Department of Agriculture showed a profit? What about Health and Human Resources? Is ICE presenting a balance sheet in the black this year? The Library of Congress is earning how much, exactly, for our country? In US Dollars please.

Since when is ANY government agency supposed to turn a profit? America is not a corporation. The government doesn't exist to be profitable. It might, at some point, be profitable, but that isn't its purpose. Government agencies cost money. Most of them don't have any actual revenue at all, they just spend. The USPS is no different, they do have revenue but it is marginal compared to its costs to operate. It is working as intended.

donfey 05-18-2025 09:11 AM

Usps
 
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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2432148)
Too many chiefs and not enough Indians.

The problem has been the same for 75 (or more) years: JUNK MAIL!

When advertisers can flood the system with garbage (to us) at 4 or 5 cents each, while we pay 63 cents to send a payment or mail a card, there surely is a mismatch. By the way, magazine publishers pay about HALF that much per issue, so you're subsidizing your neighbor's Ladies Home Journal, too. [I wonder what Elon would do with the USPS.]

retiredguy123 05-18-2025 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2432257)
Curious: does the Army report their financial shortcomings? When was the last time the Department of Agriculture showed a profit? What about Health and Human Resources? Is ICE presenting a balance sheet in the black this year? The Library of Congress is earning how much, exactly, for our country? In US Dollars please.

Since when is ANY government agency supposed to turn a profit? America is not a corporation. The government doesn't exist to be profitable. It might, at some point, be profitable, but that isn't its purpose. Government agencies cost money. Most of them don't have any actual revenue at all, they just spend. The USPS is no different, they do have revenue but it is marginal compared to its costs to operate. It is working as intended.

My pet peeve about the USPS is that some USPS proponents do not want to count the retiree costs in their budget, but these costs are huge and they cannot be ignored. Also, the other agencies you mentioned do not claim or even try to balance a budget because their functions mostly cannot be performed by corporations. Those that can should be contracted out. But almost all USPS functions could be performed by FedEx, UPS, and others.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 05-18-2025 09:26 AM

When I lived down south I used the Coleman fl post office, very close ,nice people

justjim 05-18-2025 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by willimmac (Post 2432209)
I think it is great some of the waste is being trimmed from the USPS. They keep wanting more money and the service gets worse and worse. Its no secret what the problem is!

Could Congress be the problem? USPS has proposed a number of times to close many rural offices and make other changes but Congress refuses to take those recommendations.

JMintzer 05-18-2025 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2432257)
Curious: does the Army report their financial shortcomings? When was the last time the Department of Agriculture showed a profit? What about Health and Human Resources? Is ICE presenting a balance sheet in the black this year? The Library of Congress is earning how much, exactly, for our country? In US Dollars please.

Since when is ANY government agency supposed to turn a profit? America is not a corporation. The government doesn't exist to be profitable. It might, at some point, be profitable, but that isn't its purpose. Government agencies cost money. Most of them don't have any actual revenue at all, they just spend. The USPS is no different, they do have revenue but it is marginal compared to its costs to operate. It is working as intended.

I thought we were told that the USPS was NOT a government agency?

So which is it?

dougjb 05-18-2025 09:39 AM

The only way the developer would allow a post office in The Villages is if the PO would pay a percentage of all its sales to the developer. There is not a store in The Villages that doesn't do that!


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