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TooColdNJ 08-08-2020 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by donassaid (Post 1814307)
So a worker at a Villages golf course caught Covid 19 and died and it is automatically the fault of the Villages staff and golf should have been the first thing shut down? Really? There is no mention of the health of the Ambassador that died. Was he overweight? On blood pressure meds? Have respiratory issues? Diabetic? He could have picked this up at any number of places. I work at Palmer as a cleaner. All the staff wear face masks and social distance. I keep the bathrooms spotless and disinfected, wiping down everything from the sinks, commode, tower dispensers to even the door handles, locks and flush handles on commode. I also mop the floors. Probably one of the safest places people can go. Stop jumping to conclusions without any evidence to back it up.

:bigbow:

Thanks for a job well done! You’re one of the people we all count on to keep us safe, and I hope others who have the same job around the villages take it as seriously as you do! There are people who cut corners or miss things, not always purposefully. You are obviously one who recognizes the vital nature of what you do.

TerriRacioppo 08-08-2020 08:33 AM

Thank you for your wonderful and diligent work efforts! 👍🏼

EviesGP 08-08-2020 08:33 AM

Exactly what Bogie Shooter said...what exactly should be published? How do we know the circumstances around this man's illness and death? How and where did he contract it? More importantly, if the employer knew he was positive, THEN they should have immediately responded by removing him from the workplace?! But, I'm quite certain they didn't know. To publish something like this would only cause hysteria, and lead to many questions(like I just asked).

As for the practices at the golf courses, I know first hand, that every reasonable step is taken to clean, sanitize, and distance ourselves. Like every other human event, not everyone does everything, like they're supposed to. But it's still very reasonable. I, too, recently resigned due to Covid. But it wasn't for fear of contracting. It was that the job was no longer enjoyable for me. I totally enjoyed being an Ambassador, and interacting with the people. When they took away the water jugs, then our water jugs, then the rakes, then asked us not to touch sand bottles. I was left with driving by(at a distance), and waving, while people were sweltering in the heat. I hope to go back, when things settle. Be safe, and let's pray this subsides and we get a vaccine.

Topspinmo 08-08-2020 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cwhitecat (Post 1814310)
Why?

Cause everything else was. Golfers are not special

skip0358 08-08-2020 08:46 AM

All I can say is this. It's not the Developers fault. Ask yourself these questions you go to mail station how many people have touched your mail before you, you go to the market for groceries how many people have touched what your buying before you , you pay for something with cash or go to the ATM for cash how many people have touched that, was the dish or utensils washed at the proper temperature before you use them and was the server or kitchen person or fast food person changing gloves after each purchase? How long was it before masks were required and how few are still wearing them. Where does it end and how safe can you be? If your going to get it your going to get it. You do the best you can period. Hopefully someday it will be over! Ok I'm ready for the backlash.

Topspinmo 08-08-2020 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by yankygrl (Post 1814400)
Because of HIPPA rules, sometimes they can’t give out specifics. “The grapevine “ always has the info and it gets out but then again it also gets distorted.


But, everybody in the insurance has full access, but I have to pay and request my own medical records.

clwahlstrom 08-08-2020 08:50 AM

Now why would you say that? I think it’s the safest activity in the villages. You must not be a golfer.

DecaturFargo 08-08-2020 09:04 AM

Criminal. Si, what club?

McGyver9 08-08-2020 09:04 AM

This gossip post on TOV is a perfect example of WHY they would prefer it to be kept quiet.
Because they KNOW there are thousands of old bittys just aching for a juicy half-baked story to spread around...

HOW can ANYONE blame/put a finger on WHERE someone contracted "the Rona"?
It's ridiculous!
Cases like these are the reason that tort limitations on "blame" for infection/death are necessary....

And, as previously mentioned, it's up to YOU, personally, to take precautions....like cleaning things YOURSELF (not taking someone ELSE'S word for it)...keep your paws out of your mouth...and to decide for YOURSELF whether or NOT to work a job where you contact literally hundreds of people a day.
If reports of this person's health are true, I'd have to guess that being an ambassador wasn't the ONLY poor decision they made...
RIP

Cecilebug 08-08-2020 09:11 AM

Did you read what this person actually said? This person was NOT THE COWORKER. Sheezzzz

Flamingodoll 08-08-2020 09:20 AM

To many unknown facts missing. I don't believe any of it.

Jacob85 08-08-2020 09:26 AM

The villages is going along with the people who think this virus is no big deal. It’s not a matter of people just taking care of themselves, our decisions could result in affecting other people and someone dying. Since there is this selfish attitude here and downplaying the numbers who have died, it gives them permission not to follow the guidelines. Something medical has turned into something political. The villages wants to promote this as a safe place with few cases so they can sell more houses.

Plain&peanut 08-08-2020 09:27 AM

I totally agree with you skip0358.

talleyjm 08-08-2020 09:39 AM

Does anyone know exactly HOW MANY VILLAGERS HAVE DIED FROM COVID? Keep seeing the names of the same two women but I know there have been more than two deaths from the virus. What happened to the male pickel ball player who was hospitalized? Why isn’t anyone interested in the number of deaths?

MSchad 08-08-2020 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PennyAnn (Post 1814339)
And disappointed to hear how many automatically don't believe you, when you actually worked there and saw a cover-up yourself.

Read the op post again. They did not work there so they didn’t observe it first hand. Their neighbor worked there.

Haggar 08-08-2020 09:54 AM

Recovery rate
 
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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1814333)
Wow what a ridiculous post. People die from a lot of things including the flu and other viral and bacterial infections. Covid is not a death sentence. It is not a stage four cancer diagnosis. It is 99% survivable the same as the flu. Yes people are going to die from it just like they do a lot of other things. Could we please stop totally overreacting to this!
The paranoia out there over this virus is just totally ridiculous.

Based upon today numbers for the US the death rate is 3.3% of cases. And deaths follows weeks behind the number of cases diagnosed. This is not the flu!

DonnaNi4os 08-08-2020 10:24 AM

I am always sorry to hear of the passing of a friend or loved one. COVID has led to misinformation and fear. I have always believed that people do the right thing when they are told the truth. Instead we have been fed information the media has spoon fed us, not always the truth. Conspiracy theories still abound. I suggest that we all choose our “bubble” of friends and do what is right for our situation while continuing to wear a mask in public. This unfortunately has led to strained friendships because others don’t understand. As one with several pre-existing conditions I continued to have little contact with people outside of my bubble. I haven’t seen my kids and grandkids since Thanksgiving. It isn’t easy. But if we are smart we will get through this. Stay safe everyone.

Haggar 08-08-2020 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Haggar (Post 1814486)
Based upon today numbers for the US the death rate is 3.3% of cases. And deaths follows weeks behind the number of cases diagnosed. This is not the flu!

And in addition the CDC for the flu season ended April 2020 estimated flu deaths at between 24,000 and 62,000 deaths. In the season ended April 2019 the CDC estimated 34,200 deaths. Covid deaths as of today are more than 161,000.

Any comparison to the flu is totally irresponsible!

graciegirl 08-08-2020 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by talleyjm (Post 1814473)
Does anyone know exactly HOW MANY VILLAGERS HAVE DIED FROM COVID? Keep seeing the names of the same two women but I know there have been more than two deaths from the virus. What happened to the male pickel ball player who was hospitalized? Why isn’t anyone interested in the number of deaths?

Every day there is an update for SUMTER COUNTY. Yesterday there were 29 new cases of Covid-19 in Sumter County. One person died from it yesterday here in Sumter County. That is what I watch. The first part of July it held at 17 deaths for a LONG time and now in four weeks it has more than doubled to 42. That may include prisoners and does not include people in the areas close by in Lake County and Marion County that are part of The Villages. These are the best and most dependable statistics I can find and they show me that in the last four weeks that the area close to home has lost people faster than at any time since March. Here are the stats I follow if anyone is interested. Plus. Don't blame The Villages. People have free will in the choices they make. Most of us CAN stay home if we want to.

covid 19 cases in the villages florida - Bing

Rosie1950 08-08-2020 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1814375)
Proven facts?
Just because a person working for golf died from the virus does not mean it was contacted while working. Any number of other places. So, how is anybody able to list where the infection occurred?
Picking and choosing your activities has nothing to do with cases. Without contact tracing how would it be determined where the virus was contracted at a rec center or some other activity?
What information would you want published in the Daily Sun?
Your statements make no sense, since there is no logical way to do what you are asking.
Your safety is your responsibility......

Some of your statement I agree with, BUT if you were to reread the original post, NOWHERE does it state, the unfortunate person who passed CAUGHT the virus at the course. The poster indicates their friend was uncomfortable with having to share certain items.
Bravo for the poster who said he’s a cleaner at Palmer. Question do you think he stands at the restroom doors and cleaned after each use? I can’t say, but I bet not. After he cleans all you need is that one person and bingo.
I only agree with TDS part of your post.

Joanne19335 08-08-2020 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1814401)
I was also thinking that about HIPPA.

I’m NOT going to believe any of this until someone posts which golf course was involved. Knowing the golf course does not violate any HIPPA regulation.

moe1212 08-08-2020 10:53 AM

Amen / in Massachusetts the official death rate has a notation as follows / Probable cases had either a positive antibody test and either had COVID symptoms or were likely to be exposed to a positive case. They also include individuals whose death certificate listed COVID-19 as a cause of death but who were not tested. Seems like they are trying to juice the numbers / antibody test is 50/50 result accuracey but also stated ; Covid symptoms( which could be any number of different illnesses, Likely to be exposed (what) from what we read everyone is likely to be exposed and lastly death certificates that list covid but were never tested (what)

bgamble3 08-08-2020 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1813848)
everyone is responsible for their own safety...and making their own decisions...your friend did what they felt was right for them

shameful if it actually was 'business as usual'....but I wouldn't immediately jump to that conclusion based on hearsay

You are responsible for your own safety. Don't blame others!

wayneman 08-08-2020 11:16 AM

Really??
 
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Originally Posted by yankygrl (Post 1814408)
Sorry that you and spouse are going through this, but you have a choice - work or not. You have chosen to work whether it’s because you “need” the money or “want” it...you still made the choice to continue being in the environment where you are both at risk.

Really?? Obviously you don’t realize the cost of healthcare.
Especially when a cancer diagnosis is in play. You must be on medicare or very wealthy. We are not close to medicare age, my wife cannot work, so our lively hood depends on me working and providing healthcare. Many times i think how i would like to walk away from healthcare field. If it wasn’t for health insurance, i would walk today without regret. I have put 39 yrs into healthcare in FL. And NO, there are no pensions in FL healthcare.

doodles 08-08-2020 11:40 AM

Why shut down golf. The players never touch anything but their own cart, ball, club.

PhilipB 08-08-2020 11:40 AM

should HAVE been shut down

Travelhunter 08-08-2020 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1814368)
Be responsible for your own safety. It's not up to the villages or anyone else to protect you. I wear a mask when necessary and carry around a small spray bottle of isopropyl alcohol. Doesn't matter what those around me do. I am careful what I touch and wash with alcohol afterward.

I too am careful. The developer has no right to withhold Covid information in the villages. This post states the information was “hush hush”. If that is true the developer should be exposed for this conduct and taken to task
We need to be able to make informed decisions and decide individually how much risk we are willing to expose ourselves too!

Travelhunter 08-08-2020 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1814375)
Proven facts?
Just because a person working for golf died from the virus does not mean it was contacted while working. Any number of other places. So, how is anybody able to list where the infection occurred?
Picking and choosing your activities has nothing to do with cases. Without contact tracing how would it be determined where the virus was contracted at a rec center or some other activity?
What information would you want published in the Daily Sun?
Your statements make no sense, since there is no logical way to do what you are asking.
Your safety is your responsibility......

No it doesn’t mean it was contacted where working. It certainly means that all of the people he was in contact with while working are at risk, need to quarantine and get tested!!!!!!!!!!
To keep this “hush hush” is as unethical as it is irresponsible

jimjamuser 08-08-2020 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 1813858)
A good friend of mine works at a rec. center and told me that they keep it totally safe with constant disinfection efforts, no one there has tested positive and I would be willing to bet that this will not be on the news and the reason you haven't heard of this situation is because The Villages are keeping it hush hush. I like proven facts, I do not like hearsay.

The only way to keep an indoor building "totally safe" from a highly contagious, AIRBORNE deadly virus would be to PADLOCK that building until the US has around 80% of its people vaccinated (if the vaccine is good for about 1 year, which no ones knows yet). Saying that somewhere is totally safe is one way to keep people employed with a veneer of "normality" - until DEATHS are so great that normality and the social fabric is disrupted and the US is FORCED to re-quaranteen. Likely, this will happen 3 to 4 weeks after Fl. has opened its schools.

Travelhunter 08-08-2020 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bkcunningham1 (Post 1814390)
Everyone who worked with the deceased was tested. Precautions were taken. God bless the family and friends of the deceased. He had many other health problems prior to getting the virus.

Precautions should have included anyone who might have had contact at the starter shack to be informed

jimjamuser 08-08-2020 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MSchad (Post 1814308)
This is not true. The courses I work at, common areas are sanitized by employees constantly. Carts, including ambassador carts, are sanitized between each use. Extremely sad what happened, but you can’t condemn the entire organization. We are trying very hard to keep your life as normal as possible.

Can life be really normal in an intensely abnormal deadly Plague?

jimjamuser 08-08-2020 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PennyAnn (Post 1814339)
So very sorry to hear about your co-worker. And disappointed to hear how many automatically don't believe you, when you actually worked there and saw a cover-up yourself. Not surprised that TV would hide this vital information. They seem to care more about their image than of people's lives. Happy to hear you were able to quit, to at least keep yourself safe. I guess all those nay sayers won't believe this until they themselves are stricken. Stay home. Wear a mask when out. Save lives.

Good post!

jimjamuser 08-08-2020 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wayneman (Post 1814384)
Mr. Ledbone1,
You sir are part of the problem. I have a wife with stage 4 cancer with a suppressed immune system.
I also work daily on the front lines so I speak from experience. I see people who have covid with no symptoms. I see people who have severe symptoms and pass away. I also see people who recover and will have lasting neurological symptoms or heart & lung issues. People who have some pre existing issues are at a huge risk, especially from people like you who continue to look at this as “paranoia”.
It’s real, it needs to be contained, and with flu season around the corner deaths will rise significantly.
And just so you know, wherever you go, whatever you do, if the person next to you has not been careful, they could be infecting you. Even in your local ER waiiting room. I sincerely hope you change your way of thinking.

That was REAL truth. A mature, intelligent ADULT telling his CHILDREN to be responsible and careful!

dcurrie947 08-08-2020 12:46 PM

Thank you

jmkeyzers 08-08-2020 01:29 PM

Shutting down golf is crazy. No details on the dead person. You don’t even know if work was a factor. Stop the fear mongering.

ScottYvonne 08-08-2020 01:47 PM

It’s an individual responsibility to protect yourself. We have to stop trusting others to the right thing.

Curtisbwp 08-08-2020 02:00 PM

In 1957 the usa was ravaged with covid 3. It was worse than the pandemic today. There were NO home confinement, no masks and no social distancing. The Jewish community in NY, NJ, CONN, and Mass protected their children by sending them to a camp in Maine. Today, generation after generation still send their young to that same camp in maine. People took responsibility for their own wellbeing, NOT TODAY!! Today people angrily demand that others protect them. If you are eager for others to tell you how to live your life well then "have at it" i choose to protect myself. Amen and God be with you.

jimjamuser 08-08-2020 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottYvonne (Post 1814624)
It’s an individual responsibility to protect yourself. We have to stop trusting others to the right thing.

You can NOT trust other people to do the RIGHT thing. That's why anarchy does NOT work and why people NEED Government. Granted that a government with a just, light touch is best.

Aspillaga60@yahoo.com 08-08-2020 02:39 PM

Covid 19
 
Your very welcome!!! and as Recreation Assistant we do our best to protect us and others.:icon_wink:

Stu from NYC 08-08-2020 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1814633)
You can NOT trust other people to do the RIGHT thing. That's why anarchy does NOT work and why people NEED Government. Granted that a government with a just, light touch is best.

Very true. One of the worlds biggest lies is I am from the govt and here to help you


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