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DonH57 09-08-2023 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by clekr (Post 2254444)
If you cannot see the gate arms just the way they are, you should not be driving.

About the same as those who've added super bright golf cart lights aimed up at every thing except the cart path blinding oncoming traffic and still can't determine they're in the middle of the cart path till they almost side swipe you.

Laker14 09-09-2023 05:44 AM

Some things to consider:
- Optic green is well known to be more easily seen, especially at night, than red, yet, the gates use reflective red tape for visibility rather than optic green.

-Optic Green tape does not weigh more than red tape

-Yes, we Villagers know about the gates and should be able to anticipate their location, however, good traffic design does not assume every driver to be a local. Non-residents also use these public roads, (that's why they are called "public roads").

It seems that an easy step to take to make the signs more visible would be to employ the Optic-Green reflective tape. Will it solve the problem 100%? No, of course not. But that is not the benchmark for a reasonable improvement.
Would it be cost effective? I believe it would. Perhaps that's why the red firetrucks in TV have the stuff on their bumpers.

Bill14564 09-09-2023 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2254701)
Some things to consider:
- Optic green is well known to be more easily seen, especially at night, than red, yet, the gates use reflective red tape for visibility rather than optic green.

-Optic Green tape does not weigh more than red tape

-Yes, we Villagers know about the gates and should be able to anticipate their location, however, good traffic design does not assume every driver to be a local. Non-residents also use these public roads, (that's why they are called "public roads").

It seems that an easy step to take to make the signs more visible would be to employ the Optic-Green reflective tape. Will it solve the problem 100%? No, of course not. But that is not the benchmark for a reasonable improvement.
Would it be cost effective? I believe it would. Perhaps that's why the red firetrucks in TV have the stuff on their bumpers.

If you are unable to see the very large fire truck in front of you with all its reflective coatings and lights, is a strip of green tape on the bumper going to make a difference?

It has been said in several meetings that the gates at the entrances must follow the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD). I believe these gates are governed by section 2B.68 of that manual. Find the manual, read the section, determine whether Optic-Green reflective tape is permitted, then come to a PWAC meeting with that information and make the suggestion. Simple.

Laker14 09-09-2023 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2254713)
If you are unable to see the very large fire truck in front of you with all its reflective coatings and lights, is a strip of green tape on the bumper going to make a difference?

It has been said in several meetings that the gates at the entrances must follow the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD). I believe these gates are governed by section 2B.68 of that manual. Find the manual, read the section, determine whether Optic-Green reflective tape is permitted, then come to a PWAC meeting with that information and make the suggestion. Simple.

Thanks Coach! I'll get right on it!

golfing eagles 09-09-2023 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2254701)
Some things to consider:
- Optic green is well known to be more easily seen, especially at night, than red, yet, the gates use reflective red tape for visibility rather than optic green.

-Optic Green tape does not weigh more than red tape

-Yes, we Villagers know about the gates and should be able to anticipate their location, however, good traffic design does not assume every driver to be a local. Non-residents also use these public roads, (that's why they are called "public roads").

It seems that an easy step to take to make the signs more visible would be to employ the Optic-Green reflective tape. Will it solve the problem 100%? No, of course not. But that is not the benchmark for a reasonable improvement.
Would it be cost effective? I believe it would. Perhaps that's why the red firetrucks in TV have the stuff on their bumpers.

Maybe. But it seems to me the problem is not so much the gates as it is the drivers. Again, if they can't see a gate, can they see your 4 year old grandchild? Should that person be driving? Should we put optical green tape on visiting grandkids???

Laker14 09-09-2023 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2254789)
Maybe. But it seems to me the problem is not so much the gates as it is the drivers. Again, if they can't see a gate, can they see your 4 year old grandchild? Should that person be driving? Should we put optical green tape on visiting grandkids???

From a practical point of view, I think it's more useful to deal with the world as it is, and not as we may envision a more ideal version.

Bad drivers aren't going away. No treatment of the gate arms will eliminate screw-ups. However, it is obvious that the more visible the arms are, the fewer times they will get hit. That's why law mandates a certain treatment of the gate to enhance visibility.
It is well known that Optic Green is more visible than red and white striping.

Hence, it seems in keeping with the intent of maximizing visibility, Optic Green would be a superior option over red and white striping.

golfing eagles 09-09-2023 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2254812)
From a practical point of view, I think it's more useful to deal with the world as it is, and not as we may envision a more ideal version.

Bad drivers aren't going away. No treatment of the gate arms will eliminate screw-ups. However, it is obvious that the more visible the arms are, the fewer times they will get hit. That's why law mandates a certain treatment of the gate to enhance visibility.
It is well known that Optic Green is more visible than red and white striping.

Hence, it seems in keeping with the intent of maximizing visibility, Optic Green would be a superior option over red and white striping.

Maybe. But given some of the drivers here, no matter what you do to the gate they will still get hit. Personally, I would like to see a tire puncture strip that only goes down when the gate goes up----the idiot who hits the gate should share in the inconvenience he has caused everyone else. Plus---it would stop those cyclists who just blow around the gate without even slowing, much to the chagrin of a cart crossing that had limited visibility and had to rely on whether the gate is up or down to determine if it is safe to cross

Bogie Shooter 09-09-2023 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2254812)
From a practical point of view, I think it's more useful to deal with the world as it is, and not as we may envision a more ideal version.

Bad drivers aren't going away. No treatment of the gate arms will eliminate screw-ups. However, it is obvious that the more visible the arms are, the fewer times they will get hit. That's why law mandates a certain treatment of the gate to enhance visibility.
It is well known that Optic Green is more visible than red and white striping.

Hence, it seems in keeping with the intent of maximizing visibility, Optic Green would be a superior option over red and white striping.

I think you are ready with your opinions…….go to the PWAC meeting.

woodywdmt 09-12-2023 09:52 AM

The gates have gate arms unless they have been wiped out by a careless driver. Villagers should be aware that they are there. It's a fact of Villages life. Nuff said.

Number 10 GI 09-12-2023 07:37 PM

EVERY gate that I've gone through in TV there is a scanner you have to pass your entry card over to get the gate to open. How do you forget that you have to stop and do that???? There is a gate arm at every gate I've passed through in TV how do you forget that? At all the gates I've seen, the scanner is around 10 feet back from the gate. How can you not see a gate arm 10 feet in front of you? Don't give me the "sun was in my eyes" excuse. How do you see the road if the sun is in your eyes? Have you not heard of sunglasses? If you can't see the gate arm, it's time to turn in your driver's license before you potentially kill someone because you couldn't see them because the sun was in your eyes. Is your desire to drive more important than a life?

JMintzer 09-12-2023 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2256008)
EVERY gate that I've gone through in TV there is a scanner you have to pass your entry card over to get the gate to open. How do you forget that you have to stop and do that???? There is a gate arm at every gate I've passed through in TV how do you forget that? At all the gates I've seen, the scanner is around 10 feet back from the gate. How can you not see a gate arm 10 feet in front of you? Don't give me the "sun was in my eyes" excuse. How do you see the road if the sun is in your eyes? Have you not heard of sunglasses? If you can't see the gate arm, it's time to turn in your driver's license before you potentially kill someone because you couldn't see them because the sun was in your eyes. Is your desire to drive more important than a life?

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kkingston57 09-13-2023 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2253185)
I hate to say this, but if you can’t see the gate arms, after properly coming to a stop regardless of the gate positioning, then you probably shouldn’t be driving.

Politely dis agree and depends upon what is the background. Gate for Morse, south of 466 and headed south hard to see.

kkingston57 09-13-2023 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2256008)
EVERY gate that I've gone through in TV there is a scanner you have to pass your entry card over to get the gate to open. How do you forget that you have to stop and do that???? There is a gate arm at every gate I've passed through in TV how do you forget that? At all the gates I've seen, the scanner is around 10 feet back from the gate. How can you not see a gate arm 10 feet in front of you? Don't give me the "sun was in my eyes" excuse. How do you see the road if the sun is in your eyes? Have you not heard of sunglasses? If you can't see the gate arm, it's time to turn in your driver's license before you potentially kill someone because you couldn't see them because the sun was in your eyes. Is your desire to drive more important than a life?

I am not blaming sun in my eyes (or any other persons eyes) but the exit gates at Morse and 441 are down a lot. The sun is glaring in the morning hours. I do have good eyesight. This gate is hard to see. It blends in with the background and does not open and close consistently. It would help to mark this gate so that it can be seen more easily. Love to have the contract to fix these gates.

Bill14564 09-13-2023 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2256444)
Politely dis agree and depends upon what is the background. Gate for Morse, south of 466 and headed south hard to see.

Perhaps hard to see because there are no gates on Morse south of 466.

If you mean the gate on Morse heading south and approaching 466 then perhaps the large building in the center of the road should be a clue

Number 10 GI 09-14-2023 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2256449)
I am not blaming sun in my eyes (or any other persons eyes) but the exit gates at Morse and 441 are down a lot. The sun is glaring in the morning hours. I do have good eyesight. This gate is hard to see. It blends in with the background and does not open and close consistently. It would help to mark this gate so that it can be seen more easily. Love to have the contract to fix these gates.

But you are blaming the glaring sun being in your eyes. If you can't see the gate arm because it blends in with the background, maybe your eyesight isn't as good as you believe it is. Still doesn't address how you can forget there is a gate arm at the entrance and that you have to stop at the card reader. Take a little more time after you stop at the card scaner and concentrate on seeing the gate arm.

I fought getting hearing aids because I believed my hearing was OK. After pictures almost falling off the walls from vibration because of the high volume I had the television set at, I finally realized I was pretty deaf.


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