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jacksonbrown 05-19-2020 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1767317)
Amazing, why would you put yourself or others at risk?
Who are the "others" that are being put at risk.

The golf cart drivers / passengers?

Ridiculous!

banjobob 05-19-2020 06:31 AM
I think there are a few A—holes driving golf carts along with the incompetent ones that should never drive and don’t see ahead over 10 feet in front of them. As a walker maybe carry one of those hand held alert honkers to blow at them when they show their ignorance or incompetence.

Villagesgal 05-19-2020 06:32 AM
Walking is allowed and legal and is good exercise. Carts must move over for pedestrians and cyclists, it's the law. If you are in a cart and want to follow the law, you will move over for walkers and cyclists. If you don't want to follow the law then you have no right to complain about anyone else who doesn't follow the rules, you are just as bad as they are.

Bethwill 05-19-2020 06:36 AM
You are going to cause a serious accident. Pedestrians do not have the right of way in that situation. Hate to tell you but Dan Newlin will tell you that at your age, there is not a high dollar settlement in your future. The formula they use doesn't work for senior citizens.

ldovermiller 05-19-2020 06:36 AM
I was informed that the golf cart lane was for golf carts, bikes not walkers. I've seen walkers in the golf cart lane when right next to
them is a walk. You can't fix stupid if you want to play chicken with a car or golf cart.

davem4616 05-19-2020 06:36 AM
all I can say is WOW, talk about 'stand your ground....

what are you thinking OP?

playing Chicken with Golf Carts is akin to playing Russian Roulette

all the money that you could get from Dan wouldn't make up for the fact that you'd never be the same again, have had a lot of pain and gone through recovery therapy

jacksonbrown 05-19-2020 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Villagesgal (Post 1767644)
Walking is allowed and legal and is good exercise. Carts must move over for pedestrians and cyclists, it's the law. If you are in a cart and want to follow the law, you will move over for walkers and cyclists. If you don't want to follow the law then you have no right to complain about anyone else who doesn't follow the rules, you are just as bad as they are.
You get my vote for best post.

BTW, all cart drivers roll through stop signs.

If you are a cyclist, DO NOT expect traffic to stop when they exit a MMP tunnel. NO cart driver stops, endangering cycling traffic that has the right of way.

Bethwill 05-19-2020 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Villagesgal (Post 1767644)
Walking is allowed and legal and is good exercise. Carts must move over for pedestrians and cyclists, it's the law. If you are in a cart and want to follow the law, you will move over for walkers and cyclists. If you don't want to follow the law then you have no right to complain about anyone else who doesn't follow the rules, you are just as bad as they are.
In your scenario, the walker or biker must be going with the flow of traffic, not against it.

GaryKoca 05-19-2020 06:48 AM
I walk the side streets in Dunedin, stay away from Hillsborough. I can get 3 miles in by using side streets and cul de sacs.

Leadbone1 05-19-2020 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by rwittig1 (Post 1767278)
I have been taking some long walks recently but find it is getting very dangerous. I try to use the residential streets and intermodal paths as much as possible but part of my walk takes me onto Enrique Drive where I have to use the golf cart lane because there are no sidewalks. I walk against traffic so I can see what is coming at me. 90% of the carts move over into the car lane to go around me but there is a brutal 10% who like to play "chicken" and don't want to move over. They drive right right at me and when they see I am not moving they swerve at the last second to avoid hitting me. Some yell insults as they go by. I believe walkers are entitled to use our streets just as much as the golf carts are. They seem to think that it is I who should jump off the street so they don't have to move. I will stand my ground on this and when I get hit my first call will be to Dan Newlin who I am confident will get me a bundle like he advertises.
It sounds like you’re just looking for trouble! I often drive my cart or ride my bike in the golf cart lane on Southern Trace just to get to the multi modal path. Almost all the walkers that I encounter use common sense and are not out to try to prove a point. I go around them with a lot of room providing there are no cars right beside me. If there are cars coming beside me, many times those walkers will step up onto the grass because they have the intelligence to assess the situation. I’m not a walker, but if I was I certainly would make good choices as to where I chose to walk. Doesn’t sound like that’s the case with you!

Windguy 05-19-2020 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov (Post 1767357)
I would find a safer place to walk, do you really trust the drivers around here?
Good point. I seem to remember the story about three women who were walking side by side. The sidewalk was too narrow, so one was walking in the cart path WITH the traffic, so she couldn’t see what was coming. An (apparently) inattentive cart driver came along and killed her.

As for walking against traffic, I’ve seen evidence on Hillsborough where a car swerved off the right side of the road, up onto the sidewalk, into people’s yards, back into the street, and then up onto the curb on the left side of the road before it stopped. Had someone been walking with traffic on that sidewalk, they could have been killed.

I find it really annoying that sidewalks are only on one side of the road. When I walk on Hillsborough, I walk against traffic, which means I have to walk in the cart path or even in the road if I’m going east. When a cart approaches, I move to the grass until they pass.

LG999 05-19-2020 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by rwittig1 (Post 1767278)
I have been taking some long walks recently but find it is getting very dangerous. I try to use the residential streets and intermodal paths as much as possible but part of my walk takes me onto Enrique Drive where I have to use the golf cart lane because there are no sidewalks. I walk against traffic so I can see what is coming at me. 90% of the carts move over into the car lane to go around me but there is a brutal 10% who like to play "chicken" and don't want to move over. They drive right right at me and when they see I am not moving they swerve at the last second to avoid hitting me. Some yell insults as they go by. I believe walkers are entitled to use our streets just as much as the golf carts are. They seem to think that it is I who should jump off the street so they don't have to move. I will stand my ground on this and when I get hit my first call will be to Dan Newlin who I am confident will get me a bundle like he advertises.
Why not choose a different route. Some of us have a hard time driving even in a golf cart. Also with the increase in traffic it might not be possible to move into the traffic lane

BlkBlt6 05-19-2020 07:36 AM
Pick another route..
 
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Originally Posted by rwittig1 (Post 1767278)
I have been taking some long walks recently but find it is getting very dangerous. I try to use the residential streets and intermodal paths as much as possible but part of my walk takes me onto Enrique Drive where I have to use the golf cart lane because there are no sidewalks. I walk against traffic so I can see what is coming at me. 90% of the carts move over into the car lane to go around me but there is a brutal 10% who like to play "chicken" and don't want to move over. They drive right right at me and when they see I am not moving they swerve at the last second to avoid hitting me. Some yell insults as they go by. I believe walkers are entitled to use our streets just as much as the golf carts are. They seem to think that it is I who should jump off the street so they don't have to move. I will stand my ground on this and when I get hit my first call will be to Dan Newlin who I am confident will get me a bundle like he advertises.
. Obviously, this route is to dangerous! Pick another route. I think the Villages should re-enforce rules of walking. Lol

Jtcoggin@bellsouth.net 05-19-2020 07:57 AM
You won't be calling Dan Newlin. when you are hit. You will be dead.

joseppe 05-19-2020 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FenneyFanatic (Post 1767375)
That’s another reason I love the southern villages, where we have dedicated walking paths..
And there all you have to worry about is getting run down by a bicyclist weaving through the people walking at a high rate of speed. The increased bicycle traffic has made even those walking paths somewhat dangerous.

sloanst 05-19-2020 08:27 AM
Your post would be used as exhibit A by the defense.

xcaligirl 05-19-2020 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by rwittig1 (Post 1767278)
I have been taking some long walks recently but find it is getting very dangerous. I try to use the residential streets and intermodal paths as much as possible but part of my walk takes me onto Enrique Drive where I have to use the golf cart lane because there are no sidewalks. I walk against traffic so I can see what is coming at me. 90% of the carts move over into the car lane to go around me but there is a brutal 10% who like to play "chicken" and don't want to move over. They drive right right at me and when they see I am not moving they swerve at the last second to avoid hitting me. Some yell insults as they go by. I believe walkers are entitled to use our streets just as much as the golf carts are. They seem to think that it is I who should jump off the street so they don't have to move. I will stand my ground on this and when I get hit my first call will be to Dan Newlin who I am confident will get me a bundle like he advertises.
I too walk a lot of miles in the Villages however I will not try to jeopardize my life or anyone else especially for the sake of getting $$$$. My life is more important than having a boat load of money however could be dead or paralized for life... not worth it! I avoid the streets as much as possible. Whenever I do HAVE to take a street, I will jump up on the lawn and come to a complete stop to let a golf cart go by. I will also do the same on the multimodal paths if there is a lot of golf cart traffic. There are the few inconsiderate, "much more important than anyone else around here", I will get out of their way, probably say few things that not anyone else can even hear and continue on with my walk! For the rude people, there luck will be running out however for the people in golf carts and cars who cannot see, they need to park it! Unfortunately, they just don't understand!

ts12755 05-19-2020 08:34 AM
Remember, about 10% of Villages residents are just A-Holes. They are angry at everything and hate their life. No changing them, just remember, 10%.

kcrazorbackfan 05-19-2020 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1767331)
Gotta love the new America. Care for no one and nothing but the almighty dollar!
That’s what these ambulance chasers have done; given people this mentality to take on heavy weight moving mass with their bodies in hopes of surviving their lack of common sense to make a payday for their survivors while they become a vegetable, burdening the family.

asiebel 05-19-2020 08:40 AM
All of the big rec centers, Lake Miona Eisenhower,SeaBreeze, Rohan all have nice walking paths all the way around them. Paved and only for walkers. I dint know about Savannah or LaurelManor. Much safer and a more comfortable walk.

Joe C. 05-19-2020 08:44 AM
Here's a good idea: Carry a baseball bat when you walk. If it looks like the cart isn't going to move, then assume the batter's position.

There are a lot of rude and crabby people here in the villages, but I think they are that way because they are unhappy or have severe aches and pains that make them that way.

glsatterlee 05-19-2020 08:49 AM
Walking Streets
 
It is common in rural America that people, pedestrians, walk streets because there are no sidewalks. We were all taught to walk facing traffic and not leave your life in the hands of a vehicle driver.

Bicycles are also considered vehicles in Florida, even if they are on a sidewalk. In Florida pedestrians always have the right of way.

NYMAN 05-19-2020 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by rwittig1 (Post 1767278)
I have been taking some long walks recently but find it is getting very dangerous. I try to use the residential streets and intermodal paths as much as possible but part of my walk takes me onto Enrique Drive where I have to use the golf cart lane because there are no sidewalks. I walk against traffic so I can see what is coming at me. 90% of the carts move over into the car lane to go around me but there is a brutal 10% who like to play "chicken" and don't want to move over. They drive right right at me and when they see I am not moving they swerve at the last second to avoid hitting me. Some yell insults as they go by. I believe walkers are entitled to use our streets just as much as the golf carts are. They seem to think that it is I who should jump off the street so they don't have to move. I will stand my ground on this and when I get hit my first call will be to Dan Newlin who I am confident will get me a bundle like he advertises.
now that you have given your intentions of a lawsuit ,if you do get hit the person who hit you might just back up over you repeatedly until you're dead

17362 05-19-2020 09:00 AM
To me it’s simple. Why? Because I know the rules-laws ( I looked them up)... golf carts yield to cars, cars have right of way. Walkers yield to golf carts, carts have right of way.
Now, IF I can, do I get over into the cars lane if there are walkers blocking the multi path? Or even bikers. Yes. Common courtesy. Again though it’s IF I can.
No reason to get emotional. It’s a matter of laws and common sense.

jklfairwin 05-19-2020 09:09 AM
I find it amazing that TV is such a pedestrian-unfriendly place. Seems like a little effort and money could rectify the problem and provide a safe and pleasant walking/jogging experience for everyone. I do recall that a woman walker was killed by a golf cart while walking on the golf cart track a couple of years ago. Trying to cross intersections when the sidewalk ends and you must choose between trying to run across the traffic or risk getting run over in the golf cart tunnel is a very unpleasant, unsafe choice.

Carla B 05-19-2020 09:28 AM
As far as "walkability", on a scale of 1 to 10 The Villages scores about 3, in my opinion.

Lindadogmom2 05-19-2020 10:02 AM
There so many beautiful walking paths and such in the Villages!!! U may have to drive there but what else do u have to do?? I am thinking of getting off this site because all people do is complain! There r people who would give anything to live here and can't! Why not share something good like a great walking path or area u have found instead of bitching about one road that YOU can't walk on!!!!! Some will never change no matter how good a life they have!! Could we just share happy things on here???

vintageogauge 05-19-2020 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Drdoug49 (Post 1767592)
TV with a lack of sidewalks is not very walker friendly. An over reliance on golf carts, is a contributing factor why most villagers, like most Americans are overweight and out of shape.
Seems most village residents just accept it with the resulting health problems and shortened lifespan.
Not true south of 44, miles and miles of hike & bike trails and they are heavily used by walkers and bike riders as well where allowed

Curtisbwp 05-19-2020 10:09 AM
If you enjoy walking so much why would you risk not being able to walk.

sallybowron 05-19-2020 10:13 AM
Multi Modal Paths
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rwittig1 (Post 1767278)
I have been taking some long walks recently but find it is getting very dangerous. I try to use the residential streets and intermodal paths as much as possible but part of my walk takes me onto Enrique Drive where I have to use the golf cart lane because there are no sidewalks. I walk against traffic so I can see what is coming at me. 90% of the carts move over into the car lane to go around me but there is a brutal 10% who like to play "chicken" and don't want to move over. They drive right right at me and when they see I am not moving they swerve at the last second to avoid hitting me. Some yell insults as they go by. I believe walkers are entitled to use our streets just as much as the golf carts are. They seem to think that it is I who should jump off the street so they don't have to move. I will stand my ground on this and when I get hit my first call will be to Dan Newlin who I am confident will get me a bundle like he advertises.
I do believe you are right to think that a multi modal path should Include walkers, who are in fact moving. However just because you are right doesn't mean you should do it. Don't be Dead Right! I would suggest you step off the path and keep walking in play to keep your heart up.

JoeinFL 05-19-2020 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1767322)
Funny....intentionally trying to get hit to meet Dan Newlin :)
Dan got me $47,000,000.
Thank you Dan! Lol

sktb888 05-19-2020 10:29 AM
thank you

Mumbles 05-19-2020 11:02 AM
Ummmmm
 
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Originally Posted by DDVeteran (Post 1767379)
We've been looking at developments in the Sarasota area. All of them have sidewalks on every street, both sides. It is absolutely horrid that Morse and company have not, considering our age, we need sidewalks.
I agree wholeheartedly. Even inner cities (Manhattan for example) PLAN for sidewalks. Do the Powers that Be think we will walk through fields and over golf courses as a way to keep healthy? Or do they think we will all sign up for MVP time?

It is way past time to have the developers make sidewalks.

Mumbles 05-19-2020 11:07 AM
Ummm
 
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Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1767599)
I recommend buying a bicycle bell with a sound you like and screwing it or wiring it to a piece of wood or a walking stick and carrying it around with you. If you aren’t sure an oncoming cart driver sees you, ring the bell to get the driver’s attention. Or get one of those ooga horns with a rubber bulb and carry that. Or a boat air horn attached to a can of compressed air if you really want to startle the driver. Or you could buy a hand bell like old night-watchmen used to carry and ring it when you see a cart coming. You could even start crying out “Unclean! Unclean!” like a biblical leper. As others have said, don’t assume that any driver is NOT on autopilot while driving a golf cart. Some are! One is all it takes to take your life.
T O T A L L Y :1rotfl:

Rosebud1949 05-19-2020 11:32 AM
Poor eyesight, souped up carts,( some doing 35mph+) Driving fast as they think there are not many folk around. I would not chance walking in the cart lane.

I tried to slow a cart down yesterday heading to Heron/Pelican Golf Courses, as there were Sandhill Cranes crossing the road... IF LOOKS COULD KILL I WOULD BE DEAD. No wonder we have so little natural wild life left.. yes I hear you, plenty of human wild life..... You MUST NOT separate anyone from their golf, even if it means killing a creature.... SHAME ON YOU MADAM......

VApeople 05-19-2020 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 1767845)
south of 44, miles and miles of hike & bike trails and they are heavily used by walkers and bike riders as well where allowed
Very true.

In case you have not visited Bradford and St. Catherine, those trails are even better for walkers/bikers. Absolutely beautiful.

golfing eagles 05-19-2020 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Villagesgal (Post 1767644)
Walking is allowed and legal and is good exercise. Carts must move over for pedestrians and cyclists, it's the law. If you are in a cart and want to follow the law, you will move over for walkers and cyclists. If you don't want to follow the law then you have no right to complain about anyone else who doesn't follow the rules, you are just as bad as they are.
Not sure that makes sense. Do you have a citation for that "law"?

Cyclists are traveling in the same direction as carts, therefore you either have to stay behind them or safely pass. Anyone walking in the cart lane when there is a sidewalk available is in violation of Florida statute 316.130 sec 3. When there is no sidewalk, you may walk in the road facing traffic, vehicles need to pass safely, but I still wouldn't play chicken as a walker.

golfing eagles 05-19-2020 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 1767683)
Good point. I seem to remember the story about three women who were walking side by side. The sidewalk was too narrow, so one was walking in the cart path WITH the traffic, so she couldn’t see what was coming. An (apparently) inattentive cart driver came along and killed her.

As for walking against traffic, I’ve seen evidence on Hillsborough where a car swerved off the right side of the road, up onto the sidewalk, into people’s yards, back into the street, and then up onto the curb on the left side of the road before it stopped. Had someone been walking with traffic on that sidewalk, they could have been killed.

I find it really annoying that sidewalks are only on one side of the road. When I walk on Hillsborough, I walk against traffic, which means I have to walk in the cart path or even in the road if I’m going east. When a cart approaches, I move to the grass until they pass.
That is AGAINST THE LAW!!!! Florida statute 316.130 sec 3 states "no pedestrian may walk on any paved area intended for vehicular use if a sidewalk is available" Cross the street, walk on the sidewalk, and get the heck off the CART AND BIKE LANE

golfing eagles 05-19-2020 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe C. (Post 1767776)
Here's a good idea: Carry a baseball bat when you walk. If it looks like the cart isn't going to move, then assume the batter's position.

There are a lot of rude and crabby people here in the villages, but I think they are that way because they are unhappy or have severe aches and pains that make them that way.
There's a term for that in civil law (actually a tort), it's called ASSAULT

eremite06 05-19-2020 12:56 PM
Where are these located? Re: Bradford and St. Catherine?


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