If as you say ...."I don't care what you do behind your doors" then we are not in disagreement. The infant child in question is inside the grandmothers doors so she isn't a problem.

Rules are made and contracts signed to establish a 55+ community. I signed the rules but I am open to making exceptions if the need be and the overall impact is going to be very minimal. That is the case here. Sometimes rules can be broken and exceptions made.

Once again the child is here only about 9 hours a week, until a day care situation can be found..sometimes waiting lists are long. Nothing about this infant child being cared for here temporarily will impact our lifestyle or the rules we agreed to in order to live in TV.:shrug:

I would also guess that Day Cares Centers in this immediate area are few and far between....as children and young families are really just arriving to this area. I know there has been some family areas but not a lot to speak of...

NOW there are many different family communities popping up all over the out skirts of TV's....therefor more children....and ofcourse a greater need for day care...and they have not arrived yet....

Hold on to your seats though...I am sure they are right around the corner!!!

When Beady says the waiting lists are long...my guess is they are VERY long here!

Waiting lists are long....so what!

The issue is not whether there is a person day-caring a child, but whether the covenants really mean anything now and downstream. What other covenants are okay to ignore because of the "its only...." attitude? Who decides which are the appropriate "exceptions," or if there should be any at all?

We have an Architectural Control Committee as part of the covenants. We all knew about that group as well. Perhaps we should just ignore them out of artistic license.....

We have noise abatement at 10PM. Oh, well.... that's a little too old fogey, especially if we REALLY have a reason to party, or I'm very hard of hearing and I need my TV loud along with the windows wide open, so let's toss that out when we feel like it as well.....

We have a 2-pet limit per dwelling. But I REALLY love all of my 5 cats, or my 4 dogs are really small, so perhaps that covenant should be given a blind eye, too. After all, my pets are just as important to me.....

And those poor people two houses down the street. Their daughter just got divorced and has nowhere to go with her two kids. They are willing to drive the kids to school (for now), so until she can get "back on her feet, " and that should only take until the school year is over (we hope!), so they too should be the exception....

Amenities access is a great stick, but it beats wrong. "Amenities" is more than clubhouses, it does include lifestyle.

Muliply all of the above instances by 500 or more - because the exceptions have now become the rule - and you no longer have TV, but instead have Dorchester, or Brooklyn, or Oviedo, or Warwick, or Squirrel Hill, or Arlington, or a whole host of comparable cities.

This is not about being hearltless, but more about being a good neighbor - and that's your neighbor following the same rules as are expected of you and the other 30,000 households within TV.

This isn't just a case of a 6-month-old staying 3 days a week until a day care is found. It's also downstream as the child who is sick and can't go to day care later who now needs a dropping-off place, followed by the next child which wasn't expected, followed by the next reason. The two-income family can't seem to survive without grandparents to bail them out of overcommitment and kid-needs, and TV is a retirement community, not a child-rearing village.

Again, what's the next exception going to be, and how many thousand of them, because we can't be discriminatory on who is excused.......

Good neighbors look for all the alternatives before ever expecting others to ignore the rules, even if those alternatives cost a few bucks more or are inconvenient.

Steve...thank you for your thoughts in regards to this...but I think that perhaps you misunderstood me or my post....I was simply writing that this is new for this area...all of these children and grand children living right next door...and I was writing that I figured the day cares were coming....I know that there have always been some here...but that there are much more c here now....and much more coming.

I think that if you were to go back and read my other posts on this thread...that I offered suggestions of making it work...without breaking any rules....

I am sorry if you thought I was in agreement with this...

Thanks for listening...

Maria

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This is the point I was making! Where does it end?

:agree::clap2: Stevez Great response, as usual.:clap2:

Okay..I guess we aren't going to agree on the rules and the exception...

So ...... it has been nice bantering back and forth with you all and maybe we will have to agree to disagree.

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[b]wrong !!!!!
Rules are rules and there is no exception. Whether you agree or disagree is of no consequense.......if you don't like'm , then don't sign them , once you do then live by your commitment....

I may have missed this in the posts, if so I apologize or the redundancy.

How are days counted in relation to the 30 day rule?

Does the child have to spend the night for a day to count?

If the child arrives on Saturday and leaves Sunday afternoon, is this one or 2 days?

Who keeps count of the days?

What kind of proof is necessary to make a charge that the rule has been violated?

While I respect everyone's personal opinion I would really like to hear how it actually works and who the is final authority in these matters.

Thanks

Ouch ...pretty harsh Fumar. My grandfather always said rules are made to be broken and are usually better and fairer when they are resolved.
I agree with him...sorry.

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I believe rules are made to keep people safe. I Love Babies. I have helped deliver hundreds of babies. Way way way too many Grandparents are raising their children.

We want to meet people who have retired and now want to play !

TV is a very friendly community BECAUSE of the rules to keep our lifestyle Safe.!!!
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BillArmyRet, I mentioned in an earlier post that the definition of day needed to be made, but no one picked up on it. The dictionary used said the period of light between dark AND 24 hours from midnight. If the period of light is used, which I think that it could be because it is a definition, I think there is no problem. The rule needs to be rewritten as it can't be defined as it is.

This is a tough situation for this family and many others. The economy is hard on everyone....day care is expensive and not readily available around here. However we have all offered many suggestions that could help this particular family with out hurting too many people.

Here is a twist to the question of grandchildren....just because I am curious to hear the responses....I can't take credit for the "original" thought of this question....I won't mention any names just in case...but one of our member's husband thought this question out loud one time....if that member wants to take credit...she is welcome too...I just didn't want to name anyone...:icon_wink:

What if a single parent (presuming the other parent was passed on or serving as well) of 1 or 2 kids was in the military. What if that parent was called to serve our country overseas in Iraq or anywhere else...serving our country....and had no where else to leave their children....no one other than grandma and grandpa.....

Granted some military only have to be gone for 6 months and Grands can go stay with the kids....BUT what if they were extended like so many have....and the grandparents lived here in TV's....would we expect them to move out of TV's because their child was serving our country.....

I think it would be a very sad day....but it sounds like many of you would...thank your child for the service..but get out of TV's with those kids....

I hope I am misreading your messages....but that of course would be an exception to the rules....and we can not have any of that...or could we?

Again....not looking for an argument...just opinions....

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SteveZ & Fumar have it right, 'nuff said.:agree: