Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2428138)

Sorry. You're right. I'm usually not a fan of truncated verbiage (lazy English), however after a career where speaking in codes and numbers has become a second language, I assumed common forum abbreviations were, well, common. STFF stands for Searched The F@(&^g Forum. Essentially quickly telling responders that I already performed a search and read the applicable results so they do not feel I'm wasting their time with the umpteenth thread on a topic, thereby encouraging useful insight and thoughtful, high-quality results.

Which I certainly received here, thank you all very much.

I'm going to do some web research on the Moen Flo (does EVERY sensor need to plug into an outlet - I don't have those under my sinks generally), the YoLink products, and I would really like some details from @rsmurano about his (her?) HomeKit wired house .What products he (she?) used where and what s/he estimates the total all-in cost was to put it together. Very interesting options.

As for why I don't just shut it off when I leave, along with the hot water heater, the issue for me is that HomeWatch has to turn it all back on to flush toilets, etc. Every time they turn the valve and pressurize the system (and don't drain it) puts wear/tear and pressure on the components which, in my experience, are quick to fail. The more I've used a toilet's water supply line valve to do some work on it, the more likely that valve failed down the road. Of course YMMV. Sorry, RailRoadGuyNewJersey who doesn't like abbreviations - like the one in his user name, YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary. Essentially, you may not have the same experience(s) I had or have. Just playing with you, not trying to be insulting. Just a little gentle elbow to the ribs. :-D

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2428417)

I agree that you need a water shut off system. But, if you're cheap, like me, you can buy about 7 or 8 battery operated water alarms and place them under toilets and sinks, and other water valves, all for about 20 dollars from Amazon. For me, they have detected 2 leaks in my house that have prevented major water damage. One was a leak in the garbage disposal and the other was a leak in the water heater expansion tank. A great investment for inexpensive peace of mind.

Originally Posted by jeffmull (Post 2428019)

Yolink has a system that looks great for this. I use several of their remote products including thermostat, leak detection, temp,and motion sensors. A unique thing about their tech is they use a low frequency comm system that doesn't rely on Bluetooth or wifi so distance is much further and battery life is many months or even years.

I don't use the auto water shutoff valve, but I know they have them. I get notified here in FL if one of the sensors goes off. It's been a solid system for a couple of years now.

Originally Posted by JoelJohnson (Post 2436836)

I've been using YoLink (YOSMART.COM) for a couple of years now. I started with the connected hub and added the voice hub later. I have sensors everywhere where a water leak can occur. Recently added the water shut off value (I had a plumber install it, although I could have installed it myself). The batteries are AA, good for about 2+ years and easy to replace. I also have the garage door sensor and control (to open or close the door). The hub announces when it opens or closes and even warns me it is open after a time I set up. It uses its own "WiFi" system (which is good for about a quarter mile).
Set up is very easy (QR code), and even "programming" is no big deal (but they respond quickly with any questions you have). Since it is connected to my in-house router, I can see what's happening any time and open/close the garage door anywhere . I also have door sensors to let me know when a door opens (or closes).

If you get the system I can help you install it. (No fee as I do this kind of stuff for anyone in The Villages (JoelJohnson530@gmail.com).

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2436949)

Do you need the YOLINK hub (an add on) or can the device tap into your home wifi router or SimpliSafe?

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2428460)

That's half the battle right there. The exacerbating issues are not being there (snowbird) when the alarms go off, and getting the water turned off, again while not being there.

Originally Posted by jrref (Post 2437003)

You need the Yolink hub.

Originally Posted by JoelJohnson (Post 2437017)

But you can connect to other smart home services. (Like Alexa)