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I worked hard all my life. I earned everything I have. The "family" (Villages developer) did nothing for me. I paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for my land and house. I owe them nothing. They owe me everything. IF it were not for you and me, the Villages would not exist. I could have lived anywhere I wanted, I chose the Villages based on the information (or lack of it) that was provided. Just because you chose to live here, does not mean that you can give up your obligation to society. We are still responsible citizens of America. We are not "subjects" of the Villages. If you wish to wear rose colored glasses and just be an "inhabitant" of The Villages, be my guest. I am, and always have been, a free thining, member of society. When I see a wrong, I feel the need to make it right. You may choose to "give up your freedom" in retirement. I don't. Don't ask me to and don't expect me too. "Get over it," is the battle cry of cowards.

BTW it's Jan not Jon.

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As a non resident, let me add something to this (I know some don't want non residents adding anything.) We all make our own choices, and we have to live with them. But things change. When I moved to Florida 14-15 years ago, I chose Deltona, as it was a medium sized neighborhood with good schools, and not a city. Now its a bloated, blighted, bureaucratic monster of a city, and I feel its time to move on. We went to meetings, tried to preserve what we had, but the majority was against that. Just because TV is perfect now, doesn't mean it will stay that way. You can't just sit and wait until the changes happen, then complain and try to change it back, it just won't happen.
BTW Jan, you said in an earlier post that T-shirts have a upfront cost, there are many compies on the web, (Cafe press is one http://www.cafepress.com) that will print 1 up shirts with your artwork, without money up front.
gary

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I have been a long time customer of the Villages Daily Sun. I am a resident of the Villages and like everybody else, I pay my monthly fees. I try to be a good and productive member of the community. When the newspaper suddenly cancelled my ad, they refused to tell me why. I asked what had happened. They refused to answer. I asked if there will be a time when they will accept my ad, they refused to answer. I asked if there was anything in the ad that I could change to make it acceptable, they refused to answer. I guess that's their right. It's an aweful way to treat a good customer and resident, but it's their right.

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This is a forum. It is a place to discuss issues, exchange ideas, ask for information etc., as has been stated by others, it is a place also to agree to disagree.

Many interesting responses have come up on this thread. One has the choice to continue reading postings on this thread or not.

If you feel, you have read enough on this thread then you have the right to stop reading this thread, for all others who have found this thread worthwhile, then they will continue reading this thread.

My personal feeling is that something happened, folks have a right to know about it, and then decide if they want to comment or not.

For me, and I am speaking only for myself, I want to know what is happening. It helps me make a better decision.

Hyacinth Bucket

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Another way to advertise....Talk Host, if you're so inclined, you could paint TOTV's website address all over your golf cart so it's visible for all to see. Or, have Russ (I think it's Russ) create one of those screens for your buggy.



now thats a couple of good ideas.......the golf carts are everywhere.... ;D ;D ;D ;D


fumar

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Great Fumar that is a good idea.

Now if he would park the golf cart in front of the entrance to TV's real estate office old, new and wannabe residence would see it.

I wonder what the reaction would be.

Hyacinth Bucket

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Rock and Roll, Jan....perfect....the koolaid wears off after a bit...Keep it up!

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Aren't some of us getting a little paranoid here?

The Daily Sun has a prerogative to print what it wants and to not print what it does not want to print. We have known this for years. Read the Orlando Sentinel and the Ocala Star Banner and compare it to the Daily Sun to figure that out.

Morse owns the newspaper and is not going to let any adverse advertisement get into the paper.

Based on this post and some of the other rants in the TOTV against the Villages, I can only assume that he is making sure that we are not in his list of advertisers.

Don't get me wrong - I love the TOTV and think that it does a great service to those that read and respond to it.

I just think that some of these posts dwell too much on what we do not need. And that is adverse publicity about the Villages.


I now put up my shield and wait for the rebuttal. :realmad:

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TV Rule Number 1: The number one goal of the developer of TV is to sell new homes.

TV Rule Number 2: When making any decision relative to TV refer to Rule Number 1.

TV Daily Sun
The Daily Sun strictly adheres to Rule Number 1. Publish no stories that would be adverse to selling new homes. Publish no information in stories that would be adverse to selling new homes. This also applies to advertising sales. TOTV is seen as a threat to Rule Number 1. Therefore no more ad sales to TOTV. You would probably run into the same problem if you tried to advertise with TV Radio Station or TV Cable Channel.


Resales
The only reason TV is in the home resale business is to get access to buyers so that they can sell them new homes. They make lots more money selling new homes than they do selling resales. They also have a lot of money tied up in new homes and land so they need to sell those homes. They don't want outside real estate agencies getting in the middle of their efforts to sell new homes. Therefore they compete with them in the resale market.

A few years ago TV shut down their 2 real estate agencies, 1stVillage and Suncentral so that they could take their 92% market share of the resale market in TV and place it under the control of the new homes sales operation. The reason for doing this was very simple - to have more control of the buyer so that they can get a chance to sell them a new home. A side benefit was reducing competition with outside real estate agencies for access to buyers. They thought if the outside real estate agencies couldn't sell the 92% of the resales TV's controlled, they would have to go elsewhere to make a living. The good news is that the outside agencies market share has increased substantially. The bad news is that a buyer has to deal with multiple sales reps when buying a resale.


Sign Restrictions
Real Estate Signs are controlled by the deed restrictions that were created by the developer of TV. It is not an accident that no For Sale signs are allowed south of 466. Refer to Rule Number 1.


TV is a wonderful place to live. There is nothing wrong with understanding the dynamics of how and why decisions are made...especially decisions that could affect your quality of life in TV.

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Concerned Villager :agree:

What a pleasure to see such a sensible, unemotional and accurate portrayal of the TV real estate dynamics.

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Concerned Villager - I really liked the way you simplified everything. :#1: :agree:

For those who want to understand this better, I would strongly suggest you watch THE CORPORATION.

This DVD informs you how corporations work.

Hyacinth Bucket

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Dear concerned villager,

You are absolutely right on target. This is our third year renting at the villages, I didn't want to go home, but hubby was not sure about running two homes and the cost.

Due to the housing market we thought we might find some lower priced "used" homes, but what we did find to our astonishment was that the new homes with a "warranty" and never lived in were MUCH cheaper than anything being resold. So we bought. Are very happy and excited. Am sure the market will turn around again. So will just enjoy our warm sunny days in the villages.

I hope all of the resellers can afford to sit on their properties until the market rebounds.

teekart

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1. You are absolutely right
2. (Concerned Villager) What are you conerned about?

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This description could almost go in a flow chart! What happens when they sell that last house though? Think someone brought up this issue a few months back??

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good post concerned villager, I am curious, do you live in TV, no special reason, just curious.

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Amen to that and to be honest with you... some of the other topics on this site are just adding fuel to the fire why others are questioning should they or should they not move to the Villages. This site and freedom of speech is hurting the Villages goal to keep selling and growing.

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There is a way of getting the word out about TOTV. If everyone that is a member of TOTV would send out an E-Mail to all their friends and neighbors, then they also send to their friends and so on, it pyramids, soon everyone would know.

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I just found this old thread and found it quite interesting. Scary about banning an ad. Is there anything new to this story?

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Why would his curiousty about this matter cause you to take this position? His question is a good one, and one that I am keenly interested in. The answer to his question is "no" there is nothing new to report. TOTV is still banned from advertising in The Daily Sun and they still refused to give us a reason. They simply say, "it is within their rights to do so." If anybody can shed any light on this I would be pleased. We are good people, trying to give the residents and would be residents a way to talk to each other. We work hard at this. We like the Villages. Talk of The Villages is just a little enterprise and we are no threat to the GIANT villages machine. I don't know why they are taking the position they have taken.

Being interested in this, is not "anti Villages" as some would want to believe.

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Thanks Talk Host.

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Jan, I find this really hard to understand. They obviously have the wrong idea about TOTV. I think most readers of the posts on this site are left with the impression that most of the posters are estatic about living in TV and would recommend it highly to others. I think we're a great sales tool for the Developer.

A Villages Sales Rep sent me an e-mail yesterday updating me on the inventory being built over by LSL. And she said "Why don't you post it on TOTV". So obviously some of the Village Sales Agents are well aware of the site and friendly towards it.

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Jan,

I guess I'm a little confused about this too. Do you think it is personal against you because of the train issue? I ask this because the Daily Sun takes and prints advertisements from realtors, developers, and lawyers who might be considered competitors or adversaries to TV's developers. So, I don't see where they would consider TOTV itself as a negative on TV or a competitor to the developer...quite the contrary, in fact.

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Villages 07:
"So, I don't see where they would consider TOTV itself as a negative on TV or a competitor to the developer...quite the contrary, in fact."

For the most part that's very true, V07, but this is primarily a blog sight, and as we have seen, some people have perpetual axes to grind. The Sun is a paper "commercial" for The Villages and they are exercising their ability to keep potential gripers from harming the image they want to portray through blogs of innuendo, half facts and I'm certain, some real facts they do not want aired via the internet. Also, how does discrimination affect the Sun's decision? If they let one blog sight advertise, do they have to let the POA advertise also if they want to advertise a blog sight? I don't know how that works... :dontknow:

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This no-ad thing comes from the same close-minded folks who tried to shut down the Obama rally featuring former Sen. Chaffee, in a privately owned restaurant in Spanish Springs. The higher-ups are afraid of any point of view other than that of THE MAN.

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O.K., I'm really a little confused here. I kind of fail to see any threat per se from TOTV. The overwhelming attitude on this site is one of pride in The Villages in general. I feel fairly confident in assuming that a lot of people like me found such broadspread support for The villages from those living and posting here that it helped us make a decision to buy here. How is that possibly negative or threatening to the powers that be?
I have no problem with privately owned businesses making their own choices about advertising and such, but what is the point here? I really am curious. Perhaps I am a little naive and don't see the big picture, but I just don't get it.