We now know who our village idiot is!

Hi all.. I'm just going to relay a phone conversation we had this morning with someone who lives in NYC and both of them had Covid... they are recovered, however, I don't think we are hearing the real stories like they are hearing in NY City.. Many of their friends have had it and one 39 year old friend was in a coma for 3 weeks.. and now is coming out of it.. his body has atrophied so bad that he still can't text and is still in the hospital.. another friend, because his organs were shutting down had his leg amputated.. and this disease is really affecting the liver and they are now short on dialysis machines.. these are all young healthy people.. NO PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS..
No one is immune to this.. I know it's hard, but we've put all this time in so far.. why blow it now by trying to get out there in the public. Some one put it the best this way.. If you were offered a bowl of skittles and they told you 2 of them in the 100 would kill you.. would you even try one!!!
This Covid is REAL PEOPLE.. We may not be hearing all the stories which may change your mind about it.. BUT I JUST DID!!!!! Gov. Coumo stated the the highest concentration of pos covid is not in NYC, it is in a small rural town mid NY state.. So you don't need a mass of people close together.. all it takes is the virus to plant hold.. YOU NEED TO KNOW.. I WANT THIS OVER AS MUCH AS YOU DO.. As a small Business.. I am paying huge rent, and can not be open.. it's not just keeping my home abreast.. I have a store front that I'm paying rent for with utilities..and I CANNOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.. it's taking a toll..PEOPLE LISTEN..stop making this political... these are our lives, our parents lives, our children..,PAY ATTENTION.. DO WHAT IS RIGHT..Just be patient.. and this will pass.. WE must stand together!!

You are looking at the facts in a way that will fit the point you want to make, not all the facts. There IS NO vaccine yet for this virus. It is far more infectious than the flu, and the death rate of those infected (4.6% in the US) eclipses the fraction of a percent death rate of the flu. Yes, that’s because we have a vaccine for the flu each year, so what? The experts have said if this thing runs wild millions would die, not 100,000. This comparison to the flu is getting really old and has been proved false over and over.

Gates has GIVEN millions to the study and research of contagious diseases - including COVID-19. Not loaned, and not "invested." GIVEN. He has a foundation set up that does this.

Edited to add: Paul Craig Roberts is a Holocaust denier.

"When you post stupid things on the internet because you believe conspiracy websites, then you prove yourself to be gullible." ~My cat

Amen Brother !
 

Amen Brother, this is a good example of the media hype that can create fear and panic. This is a mutation of the "SARS" flu which occurred a few years ago. One might become a conspiracy buff if this type of planning keeps up. I wonder why dying from corona virus is different then dying from the common flu or even the H1 N1 which was thought to be viralent a few years ago. Dead is dead, but the reaction to this pandemic seems to be over the top.

You are right that our number of deaths is low, but what would they have been without social distancing, face masks, expanded medical responses, etc.? The number of deaths could have easily exceeded those flu numbers. Look at Italy, France, China, even Japan. We need to get businesses open as soon as it is safely possible, and everyone wants to get back to normal activities. If we could get our federal government to procure the number and types of testing necessary, we could start returning to normal almost immediately. To ask 50 governors to individually deal with Chinese and European suppliers for tests and testing supplies is absurd. They are bidding against each other and against other countries. The federal government needs to provide what is required for testing. If the political parties would quit worrying about the next election, and start doing their job, we would all get back to normal sooner.

Don't forget two BIG factors in flu deaths/cases: deaths of minors are the only classification required to be reported - deaths of majors are not. The "number of deaths" is estimated by the CDC and results from models. The number of deaths is a fantasy derived from recording ILI (Influenza Like Illnesses), a blanket term that the CDC uses often in their reporting - check it all out at the CDC's web site. At any rate, you've "cracked the code" but, trust me, you'll not open any eyes on this board that aren't already open. If you're not toeing the party line, you're in the camp of the enemy and must be silenced. I do love the term sheeple :)

NOTE: last post on this thread (for me), so fire away

Fred :duck:

This post isn't worth the space that it takes.

The number of deaths is now 46,500. You fail to mention this happened in about 7 weeks. Also that the curve was going up parabolic until the social distancing and the Draconian measures of economy shut down were put in place. Nobody likes the shut down but don't kid yourself. This had the potential to kill many many more had steps not been taken. Sheeple could be folks following bad information without thinking.

Why would we not include people who die at home. They still died! How can you apply the same stats to the regular flu when 45% of the people got the vaccine. That vaccine probably kept many of them safe, no vaccine will not.

The death rate is only 1.2-1.4% Of those testing positive.
We are destroying our country needlessly. Bury the dead, treat the sick, and let everyone else go back to work

Different, people are dying in shorter time frame.

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter how many times your argument is pointed out; some people will just ignore it. Some people ignore any facts that are inconvenient to their opinion.

I am so tired of incorrect information. I agree with CFrance.
 

This is what I consider to be truthful and valid information;


Misinformation goes Viral - The Startup - Medium

You do realize that was over the course of one year and not six weeks? Stop watching FOX and think for yourself.

Geeeee I wonder where he is getting his crazy info/wars from?

please stop using logic, people might get angry

you really don't have a clue--if you can't take staying in your home, then do what you want to do or stay home and take a pill to fall asleep. let's be sensible here.

logic---no one was prepared for this and no one has a definite answer what to do--our President and our Governor are not miracle workers and these protesters should all be put in jail--do you have a solution smarty pants???

Why is always some AH who has a need to make everything political.

because they are AHs!!!

ignorance is bliss

Slight correction. Many deaths are being counted as Covid-19 deaths on a presumption not testing. A person could die as a result of a heart attack and be classified as a Covid-19 death.

Keep your politi s off this board

Reliable research goes a long way!

China, Russia and others are taking notes. Every single comment made on Social Media about how fearful people have become and how easy it was to manipulate an entire population is being recorded somewhere. It is their new secret weapon since they realize they cannot conquer us militarily any longer. Easier to destroy us from within with a few graphs and models no one even questioned but have now been proven to be horribly wrong. Encouraging Americans to report each other Commie Style to the “authorities” who have illegally defied the Constitution while shutting down the Court system so there is no immediate redress or due process available and then letting real convicted criminals out of jail. How gullible we have become! While we are self absorbed and fearfully occupieod with the virus they are laughing because we still do not see the real weapon.

If you still believe this, despite all the information about the severity of the effects of this virus as compared to the seasonal flu, please read post #42 in this thread. Even though CarrieOn is referring to survivors of COVID-19, it should give you a little insight into the differences. There is also much, much more data about the permanent physical damage done, average time spent in ICU and/or on a ventilator, cost of care, etc. Maybe you could have self-educated a little more prior to your post.

Yeah, they could, IF they met the criteria for a 'probable' COVID-19 death. See one explanation here:

CDC Now Counts ‘Probable’ COVID-19 Cases That Have Not Been Confirmed in Its Tally |

I don't understand. The people of China were first to battle Covid-19 and the people of Russia are probably as much in the throes of it as we are. This is a VIRUS. As Orange Blossom Baby so aptly described it...When you die of it, you drown in your own body fluids. We don't have a vaccine, nor as yet a treatment that has been proven to help.

I don't understand that you cannot see how dangerous it is. Especially to all people who live here in The Villages. EVERYONE agrees that those over 65 are much more in danger.

I see the real danger here. There is a deadly virus with no cure and people are making it political. Every person I know is very aware of the awful economic disaster this situation has made. THAT is going to get far worse.

There is no one to BLAME. It is a virus that not one soul on the face of the earth had encountered before. It IS awful and it IS scary and no one should take it lightly. It least affects children (it appears) and it seems to affect people of black and brown races worse than Caucasions. That is not racist or mean. That is the way it looks now.

I don't want to see anyone die who can do anything they can to prevent it. I don't think our deaths are predestined. I don't think we need to get out and mingle if we are Villager age.

I don't think of it as a WEAPON and I don't think it is HYPE.

The article that references 80k flu related deaths in 1980 was an estimate by an individual at the time the article was written. There is another article online that references 52k flu related deaths for the same year. The number of reported flu related deaths in 1980 were lower than 80k (check the CDC). The number of actual flu deaths in any given year is unknown (death certificates don’t always identify the underlying cause of a death). Which is why the CDC utilizes modeling to estimate a death range for the flu in any given year.

That is why the mortality rate, versus actual deaths, is important when considering a threat. 9 people dying from a virus might sound insignificant. However, that same number is much more significant if only 10 people were exposed to a virus in an isolated environment and 9 people died (90% mortality rate).

The mortality rate for the flu is roughly .1% in any given year. The mortality rate for COVID 19 in the US (with one of the best healthcare systems in the world) is roughly 5%. COVID 19 has a mortality rate 50 times greater than the flu. And the hospitalization rate for COVID 19 versus the flu is even worse.

The worst version of Small Pox has a mortality rate of 30%. So Small Pox is 6 times deadlier than COVID 19, and COVID 19 is 50 time deadlier than the flu. Another similarity for COVID 19 versus Small Pox is that we no longer has a stock pile of Small Pox vaccine, and we have no vaccine for COVID. So why not compare COVID 19 to Small Pox (both are viruses)?

Because the only people who compare COVID 19 to the flu are ignorant people (and Fox News) trying to downplay the issue. There have been days that the death toll in the US from COVID 19 has exceeded 2k people. However, no intelligent people are arguing that 730k people will die from the virus this year.

There were roughly 15 cases of COVID 19 identified in the US in early February (Trump referenced this number with the statement that all were recovering and there would soon be zero cases). There are currently roughly 819k cases in the US with roughly 45k deaths. Less than 3 months later! Those numbers occurred with unprecedented restrictions put in place to help control the spread.

Maybe at some point when the final number of cases are known, the mortality rate will be lower. And at that time, the ignorant people who today compare this to the flu can say they told us so. I hope they can because the alternative sucks. Until then, people can argue that the US over reacted without making ill informed comparisons. I suspect most will probably still sound like idiots though.