Lot of assumptions here, based on reading a handful of complainers on TOTV.

A Food Court... but NOT Food Court Prices
 

They didn't build a "market", they built a food court. Yes, you have Villages Grown (overpriced) and will have a butcher shop (probably overpriced), but the rest is a food court.. with plastic cups and paper plates. Maybe they should have contracted with a Portillo's type place... good hot dogs, beef sandwiches, chicken and Italian, to run this place. I would go there for that!

Could be but also possible people come listen for a set or two and than go elsewhere for dinner.

Time will tell.

It seems that this is supposed to be something closer to Edna's than a town square. In that sense it may pick up when there is entertainment. Fix the indoor noise issue, and as vendors struggle to compete with their prices, bring in lower priced vendors.

I don't recall Sawgrass ever being touted as a square. One thing for sure in about 2 months when most of the part timers are back prices, payment options, and seating are not going to be an issue as that place will be packed every day. It's a great asset for those of us that chose to live down here and we now look forward to the "REAL" square that they will be building even further south. In the mean time we'll keep Paddock Square going too.

Betting on a captive audience like Disney. Limited options golf cart accessible down there. Customers will determine their success or not.

With respect to the busing - during our visit we did see a dedicated person cleaning the tables. All of those around us who were eating did shuttle their trash into a bin - just as we did - prior to leaving. I did not see any abandoned tables littered with packaging/utensils.

I can't say if the busing person was on alert waiting to clean tables as soon as they vacated or if the person walks the floor every so often to bus.

Seems like there is not nearly the amount of land at Sawgrass that there is in the town squares. There isn't even enough parking at Sawgrass. We went there once and will not be going back.

Wondering if those who complain about prices too high, was the same clientele that sat in KB’s with a glass of water for 3 hours:clap2:

Wonder if the popular bands will play at Sawgrass. Johnny Wild and Rocky come to mind. Is there room for those type of crowds?

Sawgrass
 

You state that you have not been there yet. It’s very hard to give an opinion about something if you have not seen it personally. I have been there. I will never go back again it was a complete waste of time. Unlike the other squares it does not have a bunch of small shops that you can meander in and out of. It is just an oversized food court

Have you been down there?

Never?

self regulating

:ho:

Venue too small for the popular square bands. Doubt if Sawgrass was ever intended for those bands.
They will be playing at the new town square.

So, what is not golf cart accessible??? When’s the last time you were south of 44?

It's not a town square, you can't make that comparison.

You should watch Don Wiley’s latest video that directly refutes those suppositions.

Having been there, the amount of parking (which is shared with the rec center and golf course) is much much smaller than any town square...

That side of the turnpike just didn't have enough land (where they built Sawgrass) to put in a full size town square. From Chitty Chatty down to St Catherine is a narrow swath of land, compared to west/south of the turnpike... Whomever said it was a new twist on a "Country Club" for the golf course (IMHO) is much more "on point"...

Now, when they continue development farther south, the tract of land widens and they may have land for another real town square, but it seems that they will be building the next one across the Bexley Bridge in Eastport...

That will be closer for many than Brownwood...

You’re correct, the 4th square will be in Eastport. Announced several months ago. Sawgrass was never planned as a square.

False.

Scale it out............there is plenty of land including and around Sawgrass to have a full size town square IF the developer wanted to have one in that location.

Regarding parking, the county/township building code dictates how many parking spots for a place. I.e. how many per tennis court being built, how many per square footage of building, etc.
it makes sense there’s less parking than LSL, brownwood…. There’s almost no retail space.
For example, a driving range requires one spot per hitting bay.
A restaurant requires 1 per 125 sq. ft. of gross leasable area, or 1 per 2.5 seats, whichever is greater, plus stacking lane requirements (Do the math on that for LSL).


Here’s the code - search for parking
Municode Library

Which video was that? I didn't hear any mention of parking in 115.

😅😂🤣

When it fails turn it into a church it will probably make more money.

I disagree...

It would serve a much smaller community since they would have to use land that was used for housing...

No room from Chitty Chatty to St Cathrine. Linden and Hawkins has a ton of wetlands. Cason Hammock has the golf course.

Where would you suggest they put it?

Maybe, it they used ALL of St Catherine, they could squeeze one in...

They will have it. It may be limited, such as weekends, but it'll happen. Watch.

Survey what the locals would like, gut it and start over.

No COINS? Makes some folks upset..."no change, stealin' my money!" Clever vendors would set EVERY PRICE a whole dollar price which includes tax. No more "stealin' ".
Not impressed with the noisey venue either.

As suggested, scale it.

In and around Sawgrass, North side of Meggison.........3,000 feet x 4,000 feet.
Plenty of room.

As an example, Brownwood is 2,000 feet x 3,000 feet
(44 to 44a and BVista to Powell)

My bad…..it was not in the video but rather in his answer to some questions that were asked when he posted the link to #115 on TOTV. I think it’s post #29;

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...ml#post2133487

You're ignoring the "obvious" amount of wetlands in that area. And the golf course...

Also, very close to Brownwood...

Dude.................just stop it.

Your statement, "That side of the turnpike just didn't have enough land (where they built Sawgrass) to put in a full size town square. "

There was enough land.
I'm excluding the wetlands.
If they wanted a full size town square...............there was enough land.
Town Squares and Sawgrass are planned before housing, rec centers, putt-putt.
The golf course is across the street..............I said on the North side.

If you really care...........measure it..................or are you just arguing.

:loco::loco::loco:

Not ROTFL, but actually LOL!!!
 

I just glanced at your signature and immediately busted out laughing!!! That is the funniest quote I have heard in a very long time. Very funny!! :BigApplause:

Maybe one time to see the completed project. I found the noise level to be extremely bad and there weren’t many people there at the time. Hopefully that problem can be fixed.

The butcher pulled out of the space. It is the same one as in Plant Street Market in Winter Garden, wife talked to them last week when she was at the Farmers Market, they said it is a no go for them.....

The butcher that is going in there also owns the Fish and Burger carryouts next to his butcher shop. His equipment and coolers are already in place so I'm sure the lease was signed beforehand and he won't be breaking the lease as it would be very costly for him. I might add that the butcher shop will be a success in that area as will just about anything else that goes in there, residents will pay for the convenience of it.

I would include a brand-name restaurant. I would make an entrance on both sides. Instead of using the golf store as an entrance. Have reasonable prices for food. Complete the square in a timely manner. Relocate some of the restaurants. There is a lot of work that can be done to that place to make it work more efficiently.

You are correct. Sawgrass was planned long ago. NOT TO BE A TOWN SQUARE...

It was planned to be a twist on a Country Club. Hence, the pro shop within the market. Yes, the market, NOT the town square...

The new town square was planned to be across the new Bexley bridge, in Eastport. Plenty close to all points east of the turnpike and not too close to Brownwood... Also serving those to the north (Marsh Bend, Fenney, etc) and points to be built farther south...

Putting one in both places would be contrary to how they've placed them in the past. SS is far enough from Lake Sumter, which is far enough from Brownwood. Those between them have an easy ride to any of them, and are not too far from them either...

I'm in Osceola Hills (south, near 44). I'm closest to Brownwood (which is still 15-20 minutes and a half hour to Lake Sumter). SS is waaay too far (for me) to go by golf cart on a regular basis. The new Town square in Eastport will be 15-20 minutes from just about anywhere east/north of the Turnpike...

There is a method to their madness... Just because YOU insist there is room for a town square where YOU want it to be doesn't mean it is the right place for it to be...

So dude, you can stop "just arguing" any time...

This may help you out
Yeah, I Pretty Much Never Sit By The Pool Anymore T-shirt