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My Post 10-12-2018 11:35 AM

Analysts say the question "Why do your ears grow so big, Grandpa?" increases by around 400% per child under 12.
Oh, the humanity.

rhood 10-12-2018 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1589445)

Where does HUD state that children are prohibited?

Chi-Town 10-12-2018 03:04 PM

My feeling is forget about HUD and covenants, and get the Florida Dept. of Children and Families involved. That poor kid has been through enough.

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Barefoot 10-12-2018 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rhood (Post 1589503)
Where does HUD state that children are prohibited?

It's a deed restriction that you accept when you purchase a home in The Villages.
Visitors under 19 years of age are limited to 30 days.
Most adult children who live with their parents are great, no problem.
Some residents feel that adult children over age 19 who have served time in jail or prison shouldn't be allowed in TV. :shrug:

rhood 10-12-2018 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1589554)
It's a deed restriction that you accept when you purchase a home in The Villages.
Visitors under 19 years of age are limited to 30 days.
Most adult children who live with their parents are great, no problem.
Some residents feel that adult children over age 19 who have served time in jail or prison shouldn't be allowed in TV. :shrug:

That’s correct. It was stated in an earlier post that it was a HUD rule. It is not.

manaboutown 10-12-2018 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1589461)
I've been told that a school bus regularly picks up and drops off young children in the Historical area.
If neighbors don't complain, nothing is done about young children living in The Villages
(and that applies to all villages, not just the Historical area).

Wow! How many children reside in the hysterical area at present?

Buffalo Jim 10-12-2018 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rhood (Post 1589557)
That’s correct. It was stated in an earlier post that it was a HUD rule. It is not.

So What ! ?

thomp679 10-13-2018 12:06 AM

I haven't seen anything from anyone as to how this 8 yr old has caused trauma to any of your lives. Why don't you use the amenities of The Villages to relax and quit complaining about everything. Life is short.

graciegirl 10-13-2018 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by thomp679 (Post 1589605)
I haven't seen anything from anyone as to how this 8 yr old has caused trauma to any of your lives. Why don't you use the amenities of The Villages to relax and quit complaining about everything. Life is short.

I don't think posters on this thread are "complaining about everything". It appears they are wondering why the child is still there when the deed restrictions state clearly that children under 19 are not allowed to live in The Villages.

Bogie Shooter 10-13-2018 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1589461)
I've been told that a school bus regularly picks up and drops off young children in the Historical area.
If neighbors don't complain, nothing is done about young children living in The Villages
(and that applies to all villages, not just the Historical area).

Is this the same source, "local hardware employee" that was quoted on the build out thread??

skip0358 10-13-2018 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1589410)
I don't think the dad was evicted, but he was issued a restraining order to stay away from the daughter. So, since the daughter is living in the house, he cannot go there.

Well IF it's HIS house SHE should be gone. Just saying.

justjim 10-13-2018 08:07 AM

It’s obviously complicated
 
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Originally Posted by skip0358 (Post 1589638)
Well IF it's HIS house SHE should be gone. Just saying.

The daughter got a legal restraining order against the owner. I don’t know the “eviction laws” in Florida but from past experience I know it’s more difficult to remove a person with an underage child from a home. The 82 old owner needs a lawyer to get anything accomplished in getting back into his home. As pointed out, there may be more to the story... Deed restrictions need to be enforced equitably is a point most of us can agree on.

New Englander 10-13-2018 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by skip0358 (Post 1589638)
Well IF it's HIS house SHE should be gone. Just saying.

:agree:

Dan9871 10-13-2018 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by rhood (Post 1589557)
That’s correct. It was stated in an earlier post that it was a HUD rule. It is not.

It may be a technicality but it is a HUD rule that allows the "no minor children" clause in the deed covenants. Without that HUD rule it would be illegal to put that kind of clause in a 55+ community's covenants.

tv2016 10-13-2018 10:44 AM

[QUOTE=Dan9871;1589664]It may be a technicality but it is a HUD rule that allows the "no minor children" clause in the deed covenants. Without that HUD rule it would be illegal to put that kind of clause in a 55+ community's covenants.[/QUOTE


Agree.

Topspinmo 10-13-2018 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1588818)
I'm guessing there is a lot more to this story than what the Other Site reported. They only reported what would generate a lot of "clicks".

Yes, there is. A lot more from the other news site. (see the letter she wrote to get him kicked out of his own house) She moved in 8 years ago when she had the baby! 8 YEARS ago. IMO There quit few children living in the villages and at least 3 bus stops just from reading posts on here that i’m Aware of.

Not, sure but I think there is clause for extreme circumstances, which if there is is BS. This going to really out of control as villages keeps doubling in size. I think the underlining opinion is nothing can be done after the sale. Just like the judge did kick him out instead of mother and child, there places she could of when under court order.

graciegirl 10-13-2018 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1589705)
Yes, there is. A lot more from the other news site. (see the letter she wrote to get him kicked out of his own house) She moved in 8 years ago when she had the baby! 8 YEARS ago. IMO There quit few children living in the villages and at least 3 bus stops just from reading posts on here that i’m Aware of.

Not, sure but I think there is clause for extreme circumstances, which if there is is BS. This going to really out of control as villages keeps doubling in size. I think the underlining opinion is nothing can be done after the sale. Just like the judge did kick him out instead of mother and child, there places she could of when under court order.

I think this is a gross exaggeration and a great leap to conclusion. AND you know I think you are a great guy Topspin.

If there were school buses picking up children anywhere in The Villages, we would have heard about it or would have seen pictures. We are mostly quite observant of anything unusual in this place. Some call us villagers nibby nosed.

Topspinmo 10-13-2018 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by thomp679 (Post 1589605)
I haven't seen anything from anyone as to how this 8 yr old has caused trauma to any of your lives. Why don't you use the amenities of The Villages to relax and quit complaining about everything. Life is short.

Well, if I don’t have comply by the rules guess I’ll get me some chickens, 4 or 5 dogs and park my pickup truck in the yard. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!:ohdear:

graciegirl 10-13-2018 11:26 AM

For any of you who would like to find out about School Buses and their routes in Lake County, Florida, Here ya go.

Bus Transportation Info / Welcome

Topspinmo 10-13-2018 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1589589)
Wow! How many children reside in the hysterical area at present?

Nobody knows cause nobody tracking,reporting, or doing anything about it.

Not the only district that has buses stop. From reading this site at least three buses stop and pick up children that I’m aware of and probably double that IMO. I’m surprised they don’t demand to go to village charter school? I sure that day will come if it not already happen?

billethkid 10-13-2018 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1589715)
Nobody knows cause nobody tracking,reporting, or doing anything about it.

Not the only district that has buses stop. From reading this site at least three buses stop and pick up children that I’m aware of and probably double that IMO. I’m surprised they don’t demand to go to village charter school? I sure that day will come if it not already happen?

The schools are for parents of those who work in TV or for TV.

I would venture a guess this issue is in the less than 1 % category.....

Why do we not see/hear as much angst and discontent about the significantly more rampant issue of law breaking, like speeding....running stop signs....residents letting their dogs poop at mail stations/etc.....which has the real potential to get "out of control".....

and much more likely to affect you or me and the other law abiding residents!!!

Bogie Shooter 10-13-2018 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1589715)
Nobody knows cause nobody tracking,reporting, or doing anything about it.

Not the only district that has buses stop. From reading this site at least three buses stop and pick up children that I’m aware of and probably double that IMO. I’m surprised they don’t demand to go to village charter school? I sure that day will come if it not already happen?

And of course if you read it here,.....it has to be true!🤓

skip0358 10-13-2018 12:39 PM

The ONLY way you go to the Charter School is one, there is room, two, one of the parents or legal guardian has to work in one of the District supporting businesses (the list is on The Villages Charter School web site). The school on Rolling Acres is not a villages school and they do get a bus. All students attending The Villages Charter School must either walk or get dropped off or if they're of age they can drive there as there is NO bus service provided.The rules for the Charter School are enforced. Your supporting Parent or Guardian must also volunteer at the school.

graciegirl 10-13-2018 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1589715)
Nobody knows cause nobody tracking,reporting, or doing anything about it.

Not the only district that has buses stop. From reading this site at least three buses stop and pick up children that I’m aware of and probably double that IMO. I’m surprised they don’t demand to go to village charter school? I sure that day will come if it not already happen?

WHERE?

There are frequent posters who live in the historical area and they have not mentioned school buses.

I think like Billethekid says this is an isolated instance and this homeowner needs a lawyer.

Judge Judy would have it straightened out for sure. I love the way she thinks.

Topspinmo 10-13-2018 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by skip0358 (Post 1589738)
The ONLY way you go to the Charter School is one, there is room, two, one of the parents or legal guardian has to work in one of the District supporting businesses (the list is on The Villages Charter School web site). The school on Rolling Acres is not a villages school and they do get a bus. All students attending The Villages Charter School must either walk or get dropped off or if they're of age they can drive there as there is NO bus service provided.The rules for the Charter School are enforced. Your supporting Parent or Guardian must also volunteer at the school.

News flash, the child is going to charter school with address in the villages 55 and over restricted age limit. So, they ARE not strictly enforced.

Topspinmo 10-13-2018 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1589737)
And of course if you read it here,.....it has to be true!🤓

I don’t know bout the other two, but I have witness one.
The bus don’t stop in villages, but right next to it. I see this most mornings while doing and activity. I watch the presumed suspects drive up in golf cart, exit with back packs walk out to the street and catch bus. suspects because there is section in my district that’s don’t have to play by district rules. I’m not going to confront, harass, or follow them.

TVMayor 10-13-2018 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1589742)
WHERE?

There are frequent posters who live in the historical area and they have not mentioned school buses.

I think like Billethekid says this is an isolated instance and this homeowner needs a lawyer.

Judge Judy would have it straightened out for sure. I love the way she thinks.

The Villages Elementary bus stops at the village gate on the Historical Side. The gate is at the Jeffery entrance off Griffin. The gate is on one side of Griffin and Lady Lake Specialty Care is on the other. I have witnessed, while parked in the parking lot of Lady Lake Specialty Care, a child getting of the bus and walking thru the gate and getting into a car and the car drove into the Historical area.

billethkid 10-13-2018 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1589775)
News flash, the child is going to charter school with address in the villages 55 and over restricted age limit. So, they ARE not strictly enforced.

Or, which is the case for most us, we do not know the rest of the story. The conclusion may or may not be valid.

I just called a teacher at the TV school (Relative of ours)....and asked her the question I knew the answer to....are there any students attending TV Charter schools that do not have a parent or guardian working in TV.

Her answer, not that she was aware of...all students must have a qualifying parent that works within TV.

They do enforce the rules as we are aware of individuals who for one reason or another discontinued working in TV....they had to relocate their children.

More fodder for discussion!!

Topspinmo 10-13-2018 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1589734)
The schools are for parents of those who work in TV or for TV.

I would venture a guess this issue is in the less than 1 % category.....

Why do we not see/hear as much angst and discontent about the significantly more rampant issue of law breaking, like speeding....running stop signs....residents letting their dogs poop at mail stations/etc.....which has the real potential to get "out of control".....

and much more likely to affect you or me and the other law abiding residents!!!

Really rules, regulations, laws, and covenants are only good for people that follow them. Only person of authority can enforce them.

It don’t affect me, no children living in my village and I am not the village police so It don’t bother me that much to confront the rule breakers, But, I play by the rules that I signed when I brought and I guess I expect everybody else to do so, plenty of family villages connected to main campus for those who have children and I think their building more off cr466 in the spot the trees have been plowed down?

Topspinmo 10-13-2018 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1589784)
Or, which is the case for most us, we do not know the rest of the story. The conclusion may or may not be valid.

I just called a teacher at the TV school (Relative of ours)....and asked her the question I knew the answer to....are there any students attending TV Charter schools that do not have a parent or guardian working in TV.

Her answer, not that she was aware of...all students must have a qualifying parent that works within TV.

They do enforce the rules as we are aware of individuals who for one reason or another discontinued working in TV....they had to relocate their children.


My purpose is to only contribute that which is known.

I sure they try, i’m Not saying they over look, but due to the numbers probably guessing some slip under the door and they may be exclusions in special circumstances? I don’t know?

Well, I don’t know if any news is correct and written from both points of view. But, have to form an opinion or what’s the sense of reading it?

Have you read the latest news update on the subject on the other site ? evidently using false address and she probably was employed in the 8 years she been living in said address, but the more they fight over the child the more comes out in the news.

Topspinmo 10-13-2018 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1589742)
WHERE?

There are frequent posters who live in the historical area and they have not mentioned school buses.

I think like Billethekid says this is an isolated instance and this homeowner needs a lawyer.

Judge Judy would have it straightened out for sure. I love the way she thinks.

It’s shame he and child has to go through this. If he just followed the rule that we know of maybe it would of not come to this. I would imagine his blood pressure it through the roof, not to mention the financial spot he’s in. Just sad situation IMO.

manaboutown 10-13-2018 04:26 PM

According to the unmentionable news the daughter has been arrested for selling meth as well as possessing it and pot. The photo of her posted at that site shows a woman having a meth user’s complexion IMO.

The site also, as previously posted, states that the eight year old boy attends the charter school.

It seems the grandfather has tried to help the boy from the time of his birth.

The daughter is another under 55 problem criminal drug user and dealer adult child from Hell leeching off and living with a parent residing in a 55 and over community.

billethkid 10-13-2018 04:32 PM

The news source we don't/can't mention gets mentioned a lot........:duck:

Topspinmo 10-13-2018 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1589799)
According to the unmentionable news the daughter has been arrested for selling meth as well as possessing it and pot. The photo of her posted at that site shows a woman having a meth user’s complexion IMO.

The site also, as previously posted, states that the eight year old boy attends the charter school.

It seems the grandfather has tried to help the boy from the time of his birth.

The daughter is another under 55 problem adult child leeching off and living with a parent residing in a 55 and over community.

Manaboutown you’ve been around:coolsmiley: and not fooled easily:clap2::clap2:finely someone else see’s the same opinion I do?

graciegirl 10-13-2018 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1589806)
Manaboutown you’ve been around:coolsmiley: and not fooled easily:clap2::clap2:finely someone else see’s the same opinion I do?

A child is only allowed to attend the Charter School if a parent works for a business owned by or rented from The Villages. When the employment ends, the child is no longer allowed to attend any of the Charter Schools in The Villages but then can attend a local school like the one on Rolling Acres near 441. None of us really know the particulars about this. The only thing we know FOR SURE is that the child is living there and it is against deed restrictions. Fines and liens can be filed, iF someone reports the child living there. I have heard that it is very difficult to remove squatters. Perhaps the grandfather doesn't want to file a charge?

thelegges 10-13-2018 06:48 PM

True about TV charter school. When Southern Lifestyle closed any employee that had a child in charter school had to relocate By last day of employment

Barefoot 10-13-2018 07:19 PM

It seems that granddad is making the eight-year old child his first priority.
So sad that the child has to suffer through this dispute. Childhood should be a happy time.

rustyp 10-14-2018 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1589812)
A child is only allowed to attend the Charter School if a parent works for a business owned by or rented from The Villages. When the employment ends, the child is no longer allowed to attend any of the Charter Schools in The Villages but then can attend a local school like the one on Rolling Acres near 441. None of us really know the particulars about this. The only thing we know FOR SURE is that the child is living there and it is against deed restrictions. Fines and liens can be filed, iF someone reports the child living there. I have heard that it is very difficult to remove squatters. Perhaps the grandfather doesn't want to file a charge?

I read the article that cited the CDD officials (our elected officials that represent us) have no control over this internal deed restriction and thus wrote a letter to the developer quite some time ago about a similar situation. To date no response back. Should not the officials have lodge a complaint with HUD also?

skip0358 10-14-2018 06:49 AM

The Mother works in the The Villages which allows the Child to attend the Charter School. The Mother brings the Child to School now since Grandpa is out of the Picture.

rustyp 10-14-2018 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by skip0358 (Post 1589957)
The Mother works in the The Villages which allows the Child to attend the Charter School. The Mother brings the Child to School now since Grandpa is out of the Picture.

Even if a parent works for TV they can't live in 55 and over communities if under 19 yrs old. That is why The Villages has family villages like Buffalo Ridge. Also residents in these neighborhoods are not allowed to use TV amenities.


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