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JMintzer 01-27-2023 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180502)
Other 1st would countries manage to pay their workers proportionally more than the US does. Maybe compare CEO salaries from those countries to US CEOs to see the REAL PROBLEM.

You could pay CEOs NOTHING and it wouldn't make a dent in workers wages...

JMintzer 01-27-2023 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180503)
CEOs are the problem.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

JMintzer 01-27-2023 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180506)
Well, the illegals should not be here.....at least we agree on one (uno) thing. Not likely to agree on WHY US workers are and were so underpaid. One theory is that way back like 1940 or 1950 the rich 1% (that wanted to stifle UNIONS and therefore keep worker pay low -- decided to stop white workers and black workers from liking each other and aligning their mutual needs through mutual union representation -- the 1% adopted a divide and conquer strategy. They encouraged blacks and whites to have some animosity between themselves. This allowed the 1% to resist UNIONS and therefore keep wages low.
.........Apparently today this strategy has worked and still works. Black and white workers should be united and true brothers, but that is NOT the way it is. Black and white workers have been twisted apart and the institution of the Police has been used to keep up the division. Today Florida is out to ruin the teachers' unions.
........In Germany workers and management tend to COOPERATE with each other more than in the US. If this were done more (cooperating) we would NOT BE trying to worry about if US workers are paid too much . Or what is the cause of high prices? And is Walmart eggs cheaper than BJs or visa-versa? That would be "small potatoes" compared to the "Big Picture" US economic problems.

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Caymus 01-28-2023 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180498)
Factory chickens (and turkeys) raised for slaughter are placed in small areas that they can't move in. So, they get sick and to stop that they are all fed too much antibiotics, which goes up the chain to humans. Not sure, but I suspect that the factory (Not free ranging) egg layers are also constrained and given antibiotics.
.....Some cities like Portland, Or. allow free-ranging chickens in the city limits. Fringe benefit, they consume massive quantities of insects like most birds. Incidentally, pet cats kill many, many more birds than MOST PEOPLE realize. There were some studies about that, so kitty .....bad, bad for the environment.

Cities like Portland also allow residents to defecate on city streets.

Sabella 01-28-2023 04:32 AM

We all know who’s fault this is- but we’re not allowed to say.

Two Bills 01-28-2023 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabella (Post 2180540)
We all know who’s fault this is- but we’re not allowed to say.

Orange or Lemon?

Sabella 01-28-2023 05:39 AM

What?

Sabella 01-28-2023 05:43 AM

Xcessive prices
 
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What? Sage LOL

jackandbeth 01-28-2023 07:40 AM

Eggs are up everywhere because egg framers lost over 43 million egg laying hens due to the avian flu.

Causey 01-28-2023 07:47 AM

Ten percent for the big guy?

JGibson 01-28-2023 08:01 AM

We’re not allowed to talk about the root cause.

We’re only allowed to blame Walmart.

DPWM21 01-28-2023 08:10 AM

If it is one person’s fault in US…why is every country experiencing same inflation? Does that person cause it over there too? Or does a different person cause it in each country? I traveled to separate continents in 2022 and there is inflation on at least three continents. I am seriously asking as I do not understand and am willing to learn. Thank you.

golfing eagles 01-28-2023 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DPWM21 (Post 2180582)
If it is one person’s fault in US…why is every country experiencing same inflation? Does that person cause it over there too? Or does a different person cause it in each country? I traveled to separate continents in 2022 and there is inflation on at least three continents. I am seriously asking as I do not understand and am willing to learn. Thank you.

I don't know for sure either, but is it possible the largest economy in the world could have a ripple effect across the globe????? After all, the US spent over $7 trillion on COVID alone, which is more than 7% of the combined GDP of the world. Would seem to be inflationary, not to mention all the unmentionable garbage we spend $$$ on.

Jazzman 01-28-2023 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RiderOnTheStorm (Post 2180407)
Ever notice how prices go up instantly but take months, if ever, to drop? Merchants are clearly incentivized to take advantage of the higher margins caused by dropping costs (i.e. lower inflation). Classic example; gas prices. Something happens in the Middle East and pump prices go up over night, even though the new oil takes 3 months to be shipped, refined and delivered to market.

Oil pricing is determined by the futures market. Because the price of a barrel drops today doesn’t mean the price at the pump will go down the very same day.

Jazzman 01-28-2023 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2180577)
We’re not allowed to talk about the root cause.

We’re only allowed to blame Walmart.

The store most people like to hate, but the parking lots are always full 😎

Jazzman 01-28-2023 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180502)
Other 1st would countries manage to pay their workers proportionally more than the US does. Maybe compare CEO salaries from those countries to US CEOs to see the REAL PROBLEM.

And the consumers in those countries pay higher costs for goods and services, not to mention the higher sales tax in most countries in the EU for example.

Janie123 01-28-2023 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rogerrice60 (Post 2180359)
$7:50 / hr

Whatever the market bears… so $7.50 or so today at a food stand, learn something about the business and get a raise as you prove yourself of change jobs in 6 months with new skill set and make $15+ at overpriced coffee shop, learn more about business and economics, maybe in a year, move to Publix and make $50k or more as asst manager, learn some more, get a 2 year degree in finance or business and get a manager position at say Bucce’s making $100k a year, etc…

melpetezrinski 01-28-2023 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabella (Post 2180540)
We all know who’s fault this is- but we’re not allowed to say.

EXACTLY! I know I have stocked up on food and maintain a 6 month supply of canned goods ever since January 6th. I guess if enough people take these precautions, it will drive up food costs.

TrapX 01-28-2023 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180500)
Oil prices went up due to Russia attacking the Ukraine. So shipping costs went up and the fed had to raise interest rates to prevent runaway inflation. Also, the Chinese mishandling of their Covid vaccine led to China producing less and shipping less important products like for the US automobile industry.

Oil prices went up when Biden took office. Well before Russia. Biden terminated land leases used for oil and natural gas wells. That reduced the supply. Caused the supply/demand to shift the US into a net oil importer. Now other countries can dictate the price, and it went way up.
Then getting land leases were restricted. So as old wells dry up, no new ones are happening. Lowering supply more. Leases were partially allowed to happen, but on the worst land possible, and no guarantees they won't be revoked again. What CEO would risk trillions of dollars constructing new wells?
Reducing natural gas supply, which powers electricity generation, forces generators to shut off. Oil powered generation is forced online to make up for that. And to generate power to charge all these green electric cars.
Increased oil demand caused gasoline prices to go way up. That raises the cost to transport everything. Manufacturers and farmers pay more to get raw materials. There is a higher cost to get those goods to stores. Costs for equipment needed to manufacture, store, transport, warehouse, display, and sell all go up.
Biden's "green" actions caused a huge portion of this inflation.
And you pay for all of it,

rustyp 01-28-2023 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TrapX (Post 2180640)
Oil prices went up when Biden took office. Well before Russia. Biden terminated land leases used for oil and natural gas wells. That reduced the supply. Caused the supply/demand to shift the US into a net oil importer. Now other countries can dictate the price, and it went way up.
Then getting land leases were restricted. So as old wells dry up, no new ones are happening. Lowering supply more. Leases were partially allowed to happen, but on the worst land possible, and no guarantees they won't be revoked again. What CEO would risk trillions of dollars constructing new wells?
Reducing natural gas supply, which powers electricity generation, forces generators to shut off. Oil powered generation is forced online to make up for that. And to generate power to charge all these green electric cars.
Increased oil demand caused gasoline prices to go way up. That raises the cost to transport everything. Manufacturers and farmers pay more to get raw materials. There is a higher cost to get those goods to stores. Costs for equipment needed to manufacture, store, transport, warehouse, display, and sell all go up.
Biden's "green" actions caused a huge portion of this inflation.
And you pay for all of it,

See you after time out

mtdjed 01-28-2023 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180506)
Well, the illegals should not be here.....at least we agree on one (uno) thing. Not likely to agree on WHY US workers are and were so underpaid. One theory is that way back like 1940 or 1950 the rich 1% (that wanted to stifle UNIONS and therefore keep worker pay low -- decided to stop white workers and black workers from liking each other and aligning their mutual needs through mutual union representation -- the 1% adopted a divide and conquer strategy. They encouraged blacks and whites to have some animosity between themselves. This allowed the 1% to resist UNIONS and therefore keep wages low.
.........Apparently today this strategy has worked and still works. Black and white workers should be united and true brothers, but that is NOT the way it is. Black and white workers have been twisted apart and the institution of the Police has been used to keep up the division. Today Florida is out to ruin the teachers' unions.
........In Germany workers and management tend to COOPERATE with each other more than in the US. If this were done more (cooperating) we would NOT BE trying to worry about if US workers are paid too much . Or what is the cause of high prices? And is Walmart eggs cheaper than BJs or visa-versa? That would be "small potatoes" compared to the "Big Picture" US economic problems.

Well, that is certainly one opinion of why the price of eggs and bananas has risen in the Walmart Neighborhood Store. Not to mention global warming.

Byte1 01-28-2023 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180502)
Other 1st would countries manage to pay their workers proportionally more than the US does. Maybe compare CEO salaries from those countries to US CEOs to see the REAL PROBLEM.

Obviously, "some" have not lived in other countries or "they" would know that educated professionals in many countries do not make anywhere near what they would make in this country. Lawyers working as security guards at American installations overseas. Doctors working as receptionists, teachers working as maids, etc. Of course, when someone suggests that "1st world" countries pay more "proportionally" then that is also debatable. I've seen how middle class earners live in other countries, including those that I suppose are considered 1st World countries in Europe. It seems that SOME folks are always looking at the grass on the other side of the fence and attempting to make comparisons with what we have here. Out of all the countries I have lived in or visited in my lifetime, I did not see one that I would consider living in permanently. I did see one that might have been decent, had it not had a corrupt and dangerous government, and the criminal element was not so prominent. Just remember that if other countries subsidize transportation, health care, etc. the money has to come from somewhere. Most any country that "GIVES" the most freebies, have the highest tax rates. Our low income and even poverty level folks live a lifestyle equal to many other country middle class earners.

JMintzer 01-28-2023 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2180725)
Obviously, "some" have not lived in other countries or "they" would know that educated professionals in many countries do not make anywhere near what they would make in this country. Lawyers working as security guards at American installations overseas. Doctors working as receptionists, teachers working as maids, etc. Of course, when someone suggests that "1st world" countries pay more "proportionally" then that is also debatable. I've seen how middle class earners live in other countries, including those that I suppose are considered 1st World countries in Europe. It seems that SOME folks are always looking at the grass on the other side of the fence and attempting to make comparisons with what we have here. Out of all the countries I have lived in or visited in my lifetime, I did not see one that I would consider living in permanently. I did see one that might have been decent, had it not had a corrupt and dangerous government, and the criminal element was not so prominent. Just remember that if other countries subsidize transportation, health care, etc. the money has to come from somewhere. Most any country that "GIVES" the most freebies, have the highest tax rates. Our low income and even poverty level folks live a lifestyle equal to many other country middle class earners.

Correct...

New Englander 01-28-2023 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2180110)
Eggs are increasing all over so you can’t count those. Never knew they tried to match Aldi. Does Aldi even sell those products?

Yes

New Englander 01-28-2023 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180500)
Oil prices went up due to Russia attacking the Ukraine. So shipping costs went up and the fed had to raise interest rates to prevent runaway inflation. Also, the Chinese mishandling of their Covid vaccine led to China producing less and shipping less important products like for the US automobile industry.

Did raising the interest rates control runaway inflation.?

Dusty_Star 01-28-2023 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2180300)
"Bleeding hearts" You mean people who think others should be paid a living wage? If we are bleeding hearts, what do you call people who think it's okay that people need two or three jobs to stay afloat?

Some low skilled jobs do not pay a living wage. These are jobs for people to get experience in the working world. ie: show up on time, every day, do what the boss directs, wear a silly smock, what ever. These are not skills taught in schools & rarely taught at home. But they are critical for many to succeed in higher skilled jobs.

Dusty_Star 01-28-2023 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RiderOnTheStorm (Post 2180407)
Ever notice how prices go up instantly but take months, if ever, to drop? Merchants are clearly incentivized to take advantage of the higher margins caused by dropping costs (i.e. lower inflation). Classic example; gas prices. Something happens in the Middle East and pump prices go up over night, even though the new oil takes 3 months to be shipped, refined and delivered to market.

Well known, economist's call it stickiness. Prices rise quickly, but very sticky to come down (if ever). Good reason to avoid printing money to increase the supply.

rustyp 01-28-2023 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by New Englander (Post 2180783)
Did raising the interest rates control runaway inflation.?

Unequivocally it will if it is raised high enough. For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction.

Aces4 01-28-2023 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by New Englander (Post 2180783)
Did raising the interest rates control runaway inflation.?

Raised too little way too late. Free money for loans was ridiculous but that’s what happens when you try to force money into the stock market to prop it up and print money constantly.

jimjamuser 01-28-2023 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2180725)
Obviously, "some" have not lived in other countries or "they" would know that educated professionals in many countries do not make anywhere near what they would make in this country. Lawyers working as security guards at American installations overseas. Doctors working as receptionists, teachers working as maids, etc. Of course, when someone suggests that "1st world" countries pay more "proportionally" then that is also debatable. I've seen how middle class earners live in other countries, including those that I suppose are considered 1st World countries in Europe. It seems that SOME folks are always looking at the grass on the other side of the fence and attempting to make comparisons with what we have here. Out of all the countries I have lived in or visited in my lifetime, I did not see one that I would consider living in permanently. I did see one that might have been decent, had it not had a corrupt and dangerous government, and the criminal element was not so prominent. Just remember that if other countries subsidize transportation, health care, etc. the money has to come from somewhere. Most any country that "GIVES" the most freebies, have the highest tax rates. Our low income and even poverty level folks live a lifestyle equal to many other country middle class earners.

The US was the ONLY main country that exited WW2 without having its industry decimated - look at Europe and Japan then. Both Japan and Europe have done a remarkable job of getting back on par with the US. I was NOT comparing countries today and I certainly think that the US has a world lead in Silicon Valley software production.
.....What I was talking about is INCOME disparity in the US, which has more of that than Finland, Sweden,
Germany, New Zealand, Japan, and etc, etc. It is a KNOWN FACT that the discrepancy (wages difference) between the US is like 100 to 150 times greater for US CEOs than the average line workers. In JAPAN the discrepancy is about 10 times. And it is similar in Europe and other far east countries. The US has the most dicrepency. it was NOT that way in 1950 or 1960. The US rich have gotten richer and greedier than in other counties. That is part of the reason why costs are rising so much in the US. And the OIL and GAS industry and others are partly responsible because of US pay discrepancies. Tax % and brackets are BIG factor. All these factors are playing into current US Inflation, potential recession, and potential problems for Seniors on fixed incomes.

JMintzer 01-28-2023 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180826)
The US was the ONLY main country that exited WW2 without having its industry decimated - look at Europe and Japan then. Both Japan and Europe have done a remarkable job of getting back on par with the US. I was NOT comparing countries today and I certainly think that the US has a world lead in Silicon Valley software production.
.....What I was talking about is INCOME disparity in the US, which has more of that than Finland, Sweden,
Germany, New Zealand, Japan, and etc, etc. It is a KNOWN FACT that the discrepancy (wages difference) between the US is like 100 to 150 times greater for US CEOs than the average line workers. In JAPAN the discrepancy is about 10 times. And it is similar in Europe and other far east countries. The US has the most dicrepency. it was NOT that way in 1950 or 1960. The US rich have gotten richer and greedier than in other counties. That is part of the reason why costs are rising so much in the US. And the OIL and GAS industry and others are partly responsible because of US pay discrepancies. Tax % and brackets are BIG factor. All these factors are playing into current US Inflation, potential recession, and potential problems for Seniors on fixed incomes.

"Both Japan and Europe have done a remarkable job of getting back on par with the US."

Who do you think helped pay for all of that???


"CEOs"... The new "coral"...

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-28-2023 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Janie123 (Post 2180627)
Whatever the market bears… so $7.50 or so today at a food stand, learn something about the business and get a raise as you prove yourself of change jobs in 6 months with new skill set and make $15+ at overpriced coffee shop, learn more about business and economics, maybe in a year, move to Publix and make $50k or more as asst manager, learn some more, get a 2 year degree in finance or business and get a manager position at say Bucce’s making $100k a year, etc…

Which is why there's so much turnover at low-paying jobs. No one is willing to stick around in them. Employers refuse to pay more for what amounts to "temporary help" and the help won't stay without better pay.

If you are at Publix you have to be willing to change locations to anywhere within the district. So that $50k/year doesn't really make up for the fact that you have to drive an hour each way, you get no breaks, and if the next shift's boss can't make it, you're stuck there pulling a double - even if it's your kid's birthday and you promised to be home to make supper. Basically your $50/year job has to be your life. You don't get to say no.

The only thing you learn about business and economics working at a diner is that some people overtip, and some people don't tip at all, and some people walk out without paying, you get pinched, abused, called "hey you," yelled at because your customer's steak was a shade too pink on the inside, threatened, pushed and kicked by little kids, tripped by "comfort animals," and if you don't smile and bend over and take it however the boss and your customers feel like dishing it out, you can business and economy yourself into a different job.

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-28-2023 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TrapX (Post 2180640)
Oil prices went up when Biden took office. Well before Russia. Biden terminated land leases used for oil and natural gas wells. That reduced the supply. Caused the supply/demand to shift the US into a net oil importer. Now other countries can dictate the price, and it went way up.
Then getting land leases were restricted. So as old wells dry up, no new ones are happening. Lowering supply more. Leases were partially allowed to happen, but on the worst land possible, and no guarantees they won't be revoked again. What CEO would risk trillions of dollars constructing new wells?
Reducing natural gas supply, which powers electricity generation, forces generators to shut off. Oil powered generation is forced online to make up for that. And to generate power to charge all these green electric cars.
Increased oil demand caused gasoline prices to go way up. That raises the cost to transport everything. Manufacturers and farmers pay more to get raw materials. There is a higher cost to get those goods to stores. Costs for equipment needed to manufacture, store, transport, warehouse, display, and sell all go up.
Biden's "green" actions caused a huge portion of this inflation.
And you pay for all of it,

There were land leases that hadn't been drilled in yet - producing no oil at all. Other drilled land was carrying oil for export, not domestic use. Prices of oil went up because the oil companies chose to raise them. The president of the united states doesn't dictate the price of crude oil or refined oil, and the us government doesn't subsidize crude or refined oil prices. The former president wasn't responsible for lowering the prices, and the current president isn't responsible for raising them. He is ALSO not responsible for them having gone back down to pre-2020 prices in the last month, either.

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-28-2023 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2180304)
So, in your opinion, how much should an unskilled high school dropout, an ILLEGAL alien, or a 17 year old kid looking for his first job be paid?????

Which unskilled high school dropouts, illegal aliens, and 17-year-old kids looking for their first job, are working at Walmart? I haven't checked credentials but all the employees I see there appear to be well over 18. No idea what their education is, because it's none of my business. As long as they know how to do their jobs, I frankly don't give a flying fart where they're from or how many jobs they've had or what their education is.

If they do their job, they should be paid a living wage. If they don't do their job they should be fired.

golfing eagles 01-28-2023 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2180842)
Which unskilled high school dropouts, illegal aliens, and 17-year-old kids looking for their first job, are working at Walmart? I haven't checked credentials but all the employees I see there appear to be well over 18. No idea what their education is, because it's none of my business. As long as they know how to do their jobs, I frankly don't give a flying fart where they're from or how many jobs they've had or what their education is.

If they do their job, they should be paid a living wage. If they don't do their job they should be fired.

Define "a living wage". Is it the same for a 17-year old's first job as it is for a 35-year-old father of 4??? If not, then should the pay scale be the same for both??? Does experience count??? Should the stock boy get paid the same as the CEO????

Of course there is, and needs to be, a stratification of wages based on responsibilities of the job, and the prerequisite education and experience. But by raising the minimum wage to $15-22/hour, it pushes first time job seekers out of the market. Perhaps that is why you observe all the Walmart workers to be "well over 18"----we have seniors flipping burgers at McDonald's because some are getting paid more than they ever earned in their working life.

JMintzer 01-28-2023 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2180838)
There were land leases that hadn't been drilled in yet - producing no oil at all. Other drilled land was carrying oil for export, not domestic use. Prices of oil went up because the oil companies chose to raise them. The president of the united states doesn't dictate the price of crude oil or refined oil, and the us government doesn't subsidize crude or refined oil prices. The former president wasn't responsible for lowering the prices, and the current president isn't responsible for raising them. He is ALSO not responsible for them having gone back down to pre-2020 prices in the last month, either.

Then why are they taking credit for the recent (albeit temporary) drop in prices?

CoachKandSportsguy 01-28-2023 10:24 PM

but what about the price of eggs at Walmart again?

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-28-2023 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2180862)
but what about the price of eggs at Walmart again?

Handsome brand eggs are currently out of stock at the local Walmarts. That's my usual brand. But the Happy Egg brand are still in stock. They're a bit more expensive, at $6.32/dozen. Handsome are only $5.88/dozen. Happy Eggs have gone up around 80 cents over the last year, they're premium organic brown eggs from pasture-raised hens.

Vital Farms is also still available, those are $6.42/dozen. Also a premium organic pasture-raised brown.

The Walmart factory farm white eggs are $5.22/dozen, which is highway robbery but that's what you get when you buy factory farm eggs.

If you're gonna pay that much money, pay a little more and get the good stuff. Better taste, better baking, more protein in the whites, more nutrition in the yolks.

Bay Kid 01-29-2023 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2180862)
but what about the price of eggs at Walmart again?

The cost to raise hens to lay eggs has gone up and up. Most of the store eggs come from inferior chickens, terrible conditions and cheap chicken feed. To get great FRESH eggs the cost will be $7-8.00. There is great difference in eggs.

jimjamuser 01-29-2023 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by New Englander (Post 2180783)
Did raising the interest rates control runaway inflation.?

The FED is TRYING. They are trying their BEST as we speak. They may NOT succeed and the US could tumble into a dep RECESSION. Or just as possible what they are doing could keep the recession relatively mild. Historically, The Fed has ONLY been successful 8 out of 10 times. Why this dismal record? Some say that the FED is incompetent. Others say that the US economy is so BIG and diversified that the FED can NOT get a handle on it. The FED only big TOOL is to raise the interest rate, which is a 2 edged sword and will NOT satisfy hardly anyone - especially Seniors on FIXED incomes.
........Personally, I think that large-group psychology has a bigger effect than is generally realized. If people THINK that there is GOING to BE a recession, then likely there WILL be one ! It is like a "self-fulfilling prophesy" . !!!!!


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