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TVMayor 10-10-2015 11:30 AM

If memory serves me correctly about 9 years ago The Hudson Morse Parr Preserve was bone dry. It was after that with a modest accumulation of water that the “invasive species” (WEEDs) appeared. For 9 years the “invasive species” have been maintenance free. Now due to lack of maintenance…...you know. $100,000++++

Mleeja 10-10-2015 01:07 PM

I am in Indianapolis this week. Has the DS published any additional "news" about the invasive species? I certianly think the residents have the right to know what they are dealing with if they are going to be charged to get rid of it! Will someone please correct me if I am wrong (like that wouldn't happern :-)). The amenity fees are controlled by the AAC and not used for this purpose. The "special assessment" would be to the CDD1. This would be in addition to the yearly bond maintenance fee. Let's make it clear where the money is coming from....

TVMayor 10-10-2015 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1127086)
I am in Indianapolis this week. Has the DS published any additional "news" about the invasive species? I certianly think the residents have the right to know what they are dealing with if they are going to be charged to get rid of it! Will someone please correct me if I am wrong (like that wouldn't happern :-)). The amenity fees are controlled by the AAC and not used for this purpose. The "special assessment" would be to the CDD1. This would be in addition to the yearly bond maintenance fee. Let's make it clear where the money is coming from....

This will be a topic of conversation at a Town Hall Meeting held by District #1. Time and place to be announced.

Villageswimmer 10-10-2015 01:50 PM

Maybe I'm wrong, but all this plant growth didn't happen over night. Could it have been dealt with sooner? I wonder what triggered the concern at this point?

bike42 10-10-2015 02:05 PM

Preserves benefit everyone
 
See http://www.districtgov.org/departmen...%201%20CIP.pdf, page 9 (under FENCES) for information on maintenance of the wildlife preserves. This document explains the annual maintenance budget, which sets your yearly maintenance assessment. It is not part of the amenities fees.

Preserves benefit everyone, not just the people who have property overlooking them; they provide a place for all the wild critters(who were here before us) to live without disturbing us, and help to maintain the water table.

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission monitors the preserves and tells what must be done to maintain them (including control of invasive species, which usually refers to plants, not animals). Be grateful that you live in a community and a state that care about our environment.

golfing eagles 10-10-2015 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bike42 (Post 1127119)
See http://www.districtgov.org/departmen...%201%20CIP.pdf, page 9 (under FENCES) for information on maintenance of the wildlife preserves. This document explains the annual maintenance budget, which sets your yearly maintenance assessment. It is not part of the amenities fees.

Preserves benefit everyone, not just the people who have property overlooking them; they provide a place for all the wild critters(who were here before us) to live without disturbing us, and help to maintain the water table.

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission monitors the preserves and tells what must be done to maintain them (including control of invasive species, which usually refers to plants, not animals). Be grateful that you live in a community and a state that care about our environment.

:bigbow:

Amen.

TVMayor 10-10-2015 02:38 PM

I made a mistake, the The Hudson Morse Parr Preserve the one in question is not the name of the preserve I was thinking of. I thought it was the preserve across from the post office station on Morse Blvd south of San Marino Dr. not so.

See map.

Not far away from The Hudson Morse Parr Preserve to the West is the area that is having the dirt taken out for the new pond and new barn. The area to the west of the reserve is horse country.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/i...psk949yjiz.jpg

rubicon 10-10-2015 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TVMayor (Post 1127141)
I made a mistake, the The Hudson Morse Parr Preserve the one in question is not the name of the preserve I was thinking of. I thought it was the preserve across from the post office station on Morse Blvd south of San Marino Dr. not so.

See map.

Not far away from The Hudson Morse Parr Preserve to the West is the are that is having the dirt taken out for the new pond and new barn. The area to the west of the reserve is horse country.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/i...psk949yjiz.jpg


I'll ask again how is the Hudson Morse Parr Reserve the responsibiity of any CDD Perhaps its name may offer a clue as to responsibility?

njbchbum 10-10-2015 02:50 PM

Why are the CDD1 Supervisors not seeking a govt grant to off-set the cost of remediation?

TVMayor 10-10-2015 02:53 PM

Another view.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/i...psexpbjodm.jpg

TVMayor 10-10-2015 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1127146)
I'll ask again how is the Hudson Morse Parr Reserve the responsibiity of any CDD Perhaps its name may offer a clue as to responsibility?

Because District #1 owns it???

manaboutown 10-10-2015 03:53 PM

From the map in post 50 it appears it may abut the Morse estate.

bike42 10-10-2015 04:32 PM

Preserves are not taxed
 
The preserve in question is surrounded by golf course and homes in CDD1.
Go to the Sumter County Property Appraisers website and check the tax records. The CDD pays no property tax on the preserves. If the land loses its status as a preserve it would be taxed as are the golf courses and so forth -- so be careful what you wish for.

Bogie Shooter 10-10-2015 04:36 PM

Let the conspiracy theories begin...................................

tomwed 10-10-2015 04:49 PM

Is a species a plant [I don't think so]
an animal [certainly]
a microorganism [I think so]

"a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding."

TNLAKEPANDA 10-10-2015 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by village dreamer (Post 1126635)
I think its a snowbird?????? cant get anymore invasive than a snowbird , can we ???

I find that VERY INSULTING to say the least... :rant-rave:

Too bad you can't afford a second home !

CFrance 10-10-2015 06:29 PM

I am wondering if there is some FL law regarding preserves that says they have to clean the invasive species out of it.

I also wonder if it's coyotes. If it is, Dist. 1 is not the only one with a preserve containing coyotes, is it? Look out!:throwtomatoes:

Villageswimmer 10-10-2015 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1127232)
I am wondering if there is some FL law regarding preserves that says they have to clean the invasive species out of it.

I also wonder if it's coyotes. If it is, Dist. 1 is not the only one with a preserve containing coyotes, is it? Look out!:throwtomatoes:

Do they normally gravitate to water? Sounds like a dumb question but I really don't know.

Hancle704 10-10-2015 06:44 PM

Interesting in one report it says there are 50,000 invasive species in the US and one local online media reported that it will cost $100,000 to remove this mystery species. Several times over the past years laborers were brought in to manually cut back several feet of growth that surrounds this preserve. It helped the view for homes that abutted the preserve and in year with low rainfall they removed growth that could have resulted in a major fire if struck by lightning with almost certain damage to those same homes. Since there are rules that regulate what can and can't be done in these preserves as set forth by the South West Florida Water Management District, I am sure they must have the final say about what can/must be done about this "invasive species " whatever it is. If you live in CDD 1, take a look at your annual Sumter County Tax statement and you will find that you are paying the SWFWMD an annual tax. Maybe they should be paying for the removal of the invasive species that has moved into an area that they set rules for and supposedly manage.

Bogie Shooter 10-10-2015 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by village dreamer (Post 1126635)
I think its a snowbird?????? cant get anymore invasive than a snowbird , can we ???

[QUOTE=TNLAKEPANDA;1127228]I find that VERY INSULTING to say the least... :rant-rave:


I agree.
Maybe a smiley rather than all those ????

Barefoot 10-10-2015 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bike42 (Post 1127119)
See http://www.districtgov.org/departmen...%201%20CIP.pdf, page 9 (under FENCES) for information on maintenance of the wildlife preserves. This document explains the annual maintenance budget, which sets your yearly maintenance assessment. It is not part of the amenities fees.

Preserves benefit everyone, not just the people who have property overlooking them; they provide a place for all the wild critters(who were here before us) to live without disturbing us, and help to maintain the water table.

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission monitors the preserves and tells what must be done to maintain them (including control of invasive species, which usually refers to plants, not animals). Be grateful that you live in a community and a state that care about our environment.

Excellent post. :thumbup:

Patty55 10-10-2015 08:02 PM

Maybe it's like the deer stuck on the Grumman property or it could be like the Chincoteague ponies or maybe New Yorkers.

Mleeja 10-10-2015 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1127146)
I'll ask again how is the Hudson Morse Parr Reserve the responsibiity of any CDD Perhaps its name may offer a clue as to responsibility?

If the area was named "The Rubicon Nature Preserve" in honor of Rubicon, would Rubicon or the Rubicon family be resonsible for its upkeep? We b!t*h about the Morse family owning everthing, but when something comes up where they are not responsible, we b!t*h because they are not! This is called local government taking care of its problems.

CDD1 is taking the proper steps to inform the residents with thier town hall type meeting. That is a good first step. We better get use to it.

CFrance 10-10-2015 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1127279)
If the area was named "The Rubicon Nature Preserve" in honor of Rubicon, would Rubicon or the Rubicon family be resonsible for its upkeep? We b!t*h about the Morse family owning everthing, but when something comes up where they are not responsible, we b!t*h because they are not! This is called local government taking care of its problems.

CDD1 is taking the proper steps to inform the residents with thier town hall type meeting. That is a good first step. We better get use to it.

If that's the case, people in CDD1 deserve to remove that name and put in a niftier one.

Mleeja 10-10-2015 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1127296)
If that's the case, people in CDD1 deserve to remove that name and put in a niftier one.

Yeah, that seems to be the current thinking is this country. If you don't like the name, just change it and erase history.....

Jima64 10-10-2015 08:54 PM

Clearly some kind of plant or vush. The longer they put the removal off the more difficult it will become and more costly.

CFrance 10-10-2015 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1127299)
Yeah, that seems to be the current thinking is this country. If you don't like the name, just change it and erase history.....

I don't think Jennifer Parr's son's very long name inspires a particularly awesome sense of history that needs to be "preserved," as it were. Just more like... I don't know, self-aggrandisement

Mleeja 10-10-2015 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1127305)
I don't think Jennifer Parr's son's very long name inspires a particularly awesome sense of history that needs to be "preserved," as it were. Just more like... I don't know, self-aggrandisement

Shall we rename Morris Blvd as well? This road seems to fit your definition.

tomwed 10-10-2015 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1127296)
niftier

I forgot about the word nifty. I use to say it all the time. Where did it go?

CFrance 10-10-2015 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1127308)
Shall we rename Morris Blvd as well? This road seems to fit your definition.

Sure!

manaboutown 10-10-2015 09:37 PM

How about renaming it "The Unbuildable Swamp Preserve"?

Hancle704 10-10-2015 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1127308)
Shall we rename Morris Blvd as well? This road seems to fit your definition.

Has already been renamed.. It's MORSE BLVD.

rubicon 10-11-2015 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hancle704 (Post 1127236)
Interesting in one report it says there are 50,000 invasive species in the US and one local online media reported that it will cost $100,000 to remove this mystery species. Several times over the past years laborers were brought in to manually cut back several feet of growth that surrounds this preserve. It helped the view for homes that abutted the preserve and in year with low rainfall they removed growth that could have resulted in a major fire if struck by lightning with almost certain damage to those same homes. Since there are rules that regulate what can and can't be done in these preserves as set forth by the South West Florida Water Management District, I am sure they must have the final say about what can/must be done about this "invasive species " whatever it is. If you live in CDD 1, take a look at your annual Sumter County Tax statement and you will find that you are paying the SWFWMD an annual tax. Maybe they should be paying for the removal of the invasive species that has moved into an area that they set rules for and supposedly manage.

Hancle: This is what I was getting at not so much the name which to me was a beginning of an investigation but not the end of... The Mayor says CDD1 owns it but who controls it and what relief is available for areas set aside by the state as being reserves...are their state funds, etc available
My real question is what are residents responsibilities as to properties in The Villages? what exactly should our amenities finance? And what role do our state/school taxes play in all of this?


For example the amenities fees have been paying to finance lawsuits and I often wondered why our Liabilty Insurance Policies have not been tapped ?
Our amenities fees have paid for what have been argued to be associated with Project program. Tree cutting etc

I get the hint that some poster felt my post was anti-developer which was not the case at all. Its never been about the developer for me its all about business (period)

So my intent was about knowing our financial obligations and preventing some other entity from shifting their burden to us. Secondly to not simply pay the bill but to look for financial resources available to us. I say this because if such practices continue unchallenged residents are one day going to face financial obligation, not ours, that they may well not be able to afford. and if they are ours we better have accounting methods to meet those future obligations

Villageswimmer 10-11-2015 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hancle704 (Post 1127236)
Interesting in one report it says there are 50,000 invasive species in the US and one local online media reported that it will cost $100,000 to remove this mystery species. Several times over the past years laborers were brought in to manually cut back several feet of growth that surrounds this preserve. It helped the view for homes that abutted the preserve and in year with low rainfall they removed growth that could have resulted in a major fire if struck by lightning with almost certain damage to those same homes. Since there are rules that regulate what can and can't be done in these preserves as set forth by the South West Florida Water Management District, I am sure they must have the final say about what can/must be done about this "invasive species " whatever it is. If you live in CDD 1, take a look at your annual Sumter County Tax statement and you will find that you are paying the SWFWMD an annual tax. Maybe they should be paying for the removal of the invasive species that has moved into an area that they set rules for and supposedly manage.

I have to agree. I believe everyone in Sumter pays this tax. If the tax dollars aren't used for a purpose such as this, what are they used for?

TVMayor 10-11-2015 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1127362)
CDD1 owns it but who controls it and what relief is available for areas set aside by the state as being reserves...are their state funds, etc available
My real question is what are residents responsibilities as to properties in The Villages? what exactly should our amenities finance? And what role do our state/school taxes play in all of this?

Quote:

Florida's State Wildlife Grants Program is supported by the federal State and Tribal Wildlife Grants Program, which provides annually appropriated funding to every state and territory. This is a matching grants program, which provides financial support for projects that address conservation needs identified in the State Wildlife Action Plan.

For more information about Florida's State Wildlife Grants Program, please contact:

Andrea Alden
State Wildlife Grants Program Coordinator
Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission
620 S. Meridian Street
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1600
Florida's State Wildlife Grants Program

Bogie Shooter 10-11-2015 09:42 AM

Once again TOTV posters have put the cart before the horse.
It was announced there was an issue with the preserve area that will have to be addressed. And an assessment was mentioned as a way to pay for the correction.
There is going to be a town hall meeting for the stakeholders. More than likely additional funding sources will be discussed and further explored.
Yet, on this thread the Developer is being berated and even worse posters are berating each other..........over a topic where all the facts have yet to be determined.
Opinions on causes and solutions is just a waste of time at this point.

Villageswimmer 10-11-2015 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1127443)
Once again TOTV posters have put the cart before the horse.
It was announced there was an issue with the preserve area that will have to be addressed. And an assessment was mentioned as a way to pay for the correction.
There is going to be a town hall meeting for the stakeholders. More than likely additional funding sources will be discussed and further explored.
Yet, on this thread the Developer is being berated and even worse posters are berating each other..........over a topic where all the facts have yet to be determined.
Opinions on causes and solutions is just a waste of time at this point.

I read all the posts and haven't seen anyone berated. Must have missed it. Where, exactly?

tomwed 10-11-2015 09:54 AM

"An invasive species is a plant or animal species that is not native to a specific location (an introduced species), and which has a tendency to spread to a degree believed to cause damage to the environment, human economy and/or human health."

my italics

CFrance 10-11-2015 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1127443)
Once again TOTV posters have put the cart before the horse.
It was announced there was an issue with the preserve area that will have to be addressed. And an assessment was mentioned as a way to pay for the correction.
There is going to be a town hall meeting for the stakeholders. More than likely additional funding sources will be discussed and further explored.
Yet, on this thread the Developer is being berated and even worse posters are berating each other..........over a topic where all the facts have yet to be determined.
Opinions on causes and solutions is just a waste of time at this point.

If everybody waited till all the facts were in, this forum wouldn't be nearly as interesting.:D

Bogie Shooter 10-11-2015 10:32 AM

Interesting?


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