Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1861330)

Then don't complain when someone does not agree with your view and decides not to wear a mask. You cannot make demands on other people, just because you believe all the hype and wish to panic when you see someone not wearing a mask. It is your choice to jump into the water. Most likely there won't be a 'gator in the water, but there could be. It is only your fault if you wish to enter the "danger" zone.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1861364)

No religion would say for people to SURRENDER to a PLAGUE and become a denier of Science!

Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1861363)

There simply is no question that masks save lives. Thus, they are recommended by virtually every expert in the field.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1861337)

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Failure to do this will cause Florida to become like South Dakota which today has a 60% positive CV rate, meaning that every 2 out of 3 persons is carrying the virus.

Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1861298)

Wisconsin is lucky to get it that high. We need 90%-100% positivity and this will be over. The weak will die and 99% will survive. What - evolution and survival of the fittest is no longer the religion you profess?

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1861343)

WHY?
Perhaps I wish to see everyone wear only blue shirts and pants. Does my demand matter any less or more than yours?

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1861309)

I think that Desantis is one of the best governors in this entire country. When this crisis first began, he had the foresight to protect our most vulnerable senior citizens by implementing strict visitation guidelines in assisted living and nursing home communities.

Some of the most abysmal statistics in that regard come from the states like Michigan, NY and NJ who put COVID-19 patients in with medically fragile elderly people while shutting out visits from their (very) concerned family members. The lack of common sense and decency in those so called leaders is beyond appalling and they are not the ones to look to for standards.

Statistics are simply not bearing out this idea that shut downs, mask mandates, curfews or other draconian rules are keeping citizens any safer.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1861330)

Then don't complain when someone does not agree with your view and decides not to wear a mask. You cannot make demands on other people, just because you believe all the hype and wish to panic when you see someone not wearing a mask. It is your choice to jump into the water. Most likely there won't be a 'gator in the water, but there could be. It is only your fault if you wish to enter the "danger" zone.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1861408)

There are several people on this board who question whether masks save lives. If *virtually* every expert in the field recommends them then that implies there are *some* experts in the field that don't. The states with strict mask mandates today are seeing an increase in cases too. Yes, they must be doing SOMETHING wrong, but maybe, just maybe, that SOMETHING is relying too much on the mask.

Personally, I DO believe masks can make a difference and I am happy to see businesses require them. I DON'T believe they are a complete solution or the only thing needed for a solution.

Originally Posted by dave from deland (Post 1861405)

I will not go to places with unrestricted crowds and will follow CDC guidelines at stores, etc.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1861383)

Side effects that were reported at the beginning were blood clots. Who knows whether that was from the virus or from the treatment.

Lets not over inflate the virus. It is what it is, and it is not the end of civilization. It may cause the end of some of our liberties though, if folks don't settle down and quit demanding laws enacted to limit our freedom and liberty.
The way I figure it (my opinion) we have a choice. We can do everything voluntarily to protect ourselves and suffer through an economic drought, or we can allow a few people in D.C. the power to limit and control our destiny. America's freedom and liberty is a model for the rest of the world. We give other countries hope. Hope that some day their country can be as great as ours.
The more power we give a few politicians over us, the more they move us into slavery. Although, there are some countries out there that need or enjoy having a gov nanny.

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1861369)

O.k. so you don't want people to impose restrictions on you that you don't agree with but you feel it's o.k. to impose your restrictions on others that they don't agree with?

I think that people have been playing along with the masks for the most part and there will be some major push back if there are mask mandates put in place.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1861372)

You're using unreasonable goalposts to justify an opinion that has no justification.

Yes people who have EXTREME situations, need to take EXTREME measures. But MOST people don't have extreme situations. Most people - especially here at the Villages, have moderate risks. Higher risks simply by virtue of the fact that they're OLD, and lower risks by virtue of the fact that this is an active community and most of these old people don't hang out on rocking chairs knitting until their arthritis and dementia puts them in a home for the aged. I'd venture to guess that the overall fitness level of our community is the #1 reason we're not all sick - and if it weren't for that, there would be thousands more dead old people in Sumter County than the comparable low quantity there are now.

You're also using "safe from" as your benchmark. That is an unreasonable benchmark. The appropriate and correct benchmark with regards to mask wearing, social distancing, and hand sanitizing is "LESS UNSAFE."

There is a HUGE difference between "100% safe" and "less unsafe." There is ALWAYS a risk. The risk is reduced when we (get ready for it)...


(wait for it)...


(drumroll)...


Wash your hands. Social distance. Wear a mask.

Risk reduction. Not safe. Less unsafe. Risk reduction. Not safe. Less unsafe.

Not sure how many posts have to have these phrases in them, before people who insist that the opposite of their opinion is "masks will prevent" anything at all, realize that it is not the opposite of their opinion.

Their opinion is "screw masks, they don't work, I don't like them, I don't wanna, my freedom to go where I want and if you don't like it stay home."

OUR opinion is: "Masks REDUCE THE RISKS, we don't like them, we don't wanna, but we are civilized, so if you don't like it, YOU stay home."