Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1862183)

?? You want a mandate to the mandate because the original mandate was ineffective?

It could very well be that people were ignoring the mandate. It's hard to imagine since here, even without a mandate, there are a lot of masks being worn. But isn't it also possible that for all that masks *might* help, they are not effective enough? If that's the case then a mask mandate would just give a false sense of security which would lead to people dropping their guard and ultimately to even more infections.

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1862178)

I would say that is why they bring in the mandates.
Just maybe, if people had listened to the advice to wear a mask earlier, instead of looking for any spurious reason not to, mandates would not have been needed.
How hard is it to pop one on when needed?
A little protection is better than none!

Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1862177)

Exactly! To try to keep it under control here, we need a mask mandate. We should not wait until hundreds of people are dying every day to take common-sense measures to prevent needless deaths and a disaster for our local economy.

There is no longer any doubt whatsoever that masks save lives.

Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1862180)

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Your statement is inconsistent with reports that I have seen, but I am always willing to be educated. What is your source? The two states with the highest rates of infection, by far, are the non-masking states of N. and S. Dakota, although N. Dakota just woke up to reality and implemented a mask mandate.

Even if your statistics are true, there is no doubt that masks work to reduce infections. Remember that the non-masking-mandate states (like N. and S. Dakota) tend to be rural, with a scattered population and much less crowding and reliance on mass transit, i.e., inherently lower risk. Furthermore, the non-masking states probably do far less testing than the masking-mandate states.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1862189)

It's because of the side effects that folks do not wish to wear masks for long periods. Do you really want to have your ears stick out and look like this? :1rotfl::1rotfl:

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1862126)

States with mask mandates are spiking at a higher level than states without mask mandates.

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1861488)

So explain why states that have mandatory mask mandates are spiking at a rates equal to or higher than states without mandatory mask requirements? Look at the states & look at the number of positive cases. Then based on those numbers, justify why “we need immediate county action on a mask mandate”.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1862160)

They are not listing "new cases" honestly. They are listing test results (all positive test results) as "new cases" because they do not check to see if the testee had tested positive before. If one is tested, then they get tested again until they test negative. You can have one person tested four or five times that is counted as four or five "new cases" which is not being labeled truthfully.
Like someone else said, the only way to get an accurate (if that) reading is to count deaths contributed to the virus. Even then, one can die of something else and be counted "covid related."

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1862219)

I posted the chart for Pennsylvania in an earlier response. They are one of the long term mask mandate states. They are spiking way up now. You can go to that site and plug in every state to compare. Mask mandates are ineffective. Either because people don’t comply, or because masks really don’t have an appreciable effect...

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1862265)

Masks most certainly would be more effective if everyone wore their mask correctly. A mask worn below the nose is like not wearing a mask at all. Think about this......when you are tested with a long swab, it is your naso pharynx that is swabbed. That is the swab up the nose. So......why wear a mask with the nose exposed? Oh....to breath better? That is no excuse. Sorry.

Wearing a mask below the chin is absolutely useless but yet, I see people in public indoor spaces wearing their mask below their chin. Just silly. Take the damn thing off if that is how you wear it.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1862262)

I don't pay attention to any of the numbers or statistics. What I pay attention to is if the hospitals are over whelmed, if the health care providers are exhausted and the staff just can not keep up with the patient demands. I also pay attention to how many satellite hospital beds are being set up, especially for large cities. I pay attention to refrigerated trucks in use to store the dead bodies because morgues are at max.

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1860610)

So, entertainment at the town squares were closed when the pandemic was under much better control than it currently is. Fast forward, the pandemic numbers have never been worse, and a massive influx of potential Covid spreaders are migrating south. Then the seasonal influx of high risk children and grandchildren visitors will follow. People from all over the country will be flying to Florida and converging on the 55 plus community that has been relatively safe during the slow season, where the older and more vulnerable full time residents generally take appropriate precautions. Despite this, starting next week the town squares will go back to business as usual, like the pandemic doesn’t even exist, WTF?

Could there possibly be a worse time to decide to open everything back up? I get that the powers that be need to sell all the houses they are cranking out, and it’s hard to sell houses without being able to showcase the Villages experience. But this could backfire in a big way if the Villages Covid numbers spike, which they most likely will. Not only that, but all the new houses they are trying to sell will have to compete with all the new pre-owned homes that will go on the market vacated by unfortunate Covid victims.

OK, all the Covid deniers, let me have it, I can deal with it.