If that 80 year old woman had been armed, the chances are the pistol would have been carried in her purse.

The mugger came up in back of her, knocked her to the ground with one powerful blow, grabbed her purse and ran to a waiting car. That is how it happened according to all witnesses.

If she had been armed, the mugger would have gotten a gun as part of his loot.

Then I would have gotten up and moved. Chewing is nauseating.

Why would you assume it would be in her purse...? Still, the MO of these 3 thugs proves the point that danger does exist in and around TV, and it's one's legal right to protect him/herself.

The most important thing about personal safety is awareness, know whats around you at all times, while walking driving, etc.

I think what you are missing is the mindset of many CCW citizens. The whole idea of being responsible for your safety and protection includes being proficient in the use of your firearm, and being aware of your surroundings, among other things. The example you give is consistent with people who assume/expect the government to provide protection for them and their loved ones, or who play the numbers game thinking this will never happen to them...until it does. In this particular case, as in most, the government shows up to do the paperwork. If you are willing to offload your responsibility for your own safety to the government, be my guest. Don't buy house insurance either. After all, how many times has your house burned to the ground?

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So true. And yet, most people think it will never happen to them. I hope they are right. But I don't like the odds. I am amazed at the number of Americans that don't understand the importance/meaning of the second amendment and would impose substantial gun control measures (even banning CCW) against their fellow Americans in spite of this being a basic right. Even though, by the FBI's own database, there are at least a couple hundred thousand instances per year where a privately owned gun prevented a crime or stopped a criminal from getting away.

Okay guys, my last post on the subject of carrying guns in and around The Villages.

In the instance of the 80 year old lady mugged in the parking lot - she takes one powerful blow and gets knocked to the ground and her purse is grabbed and the mugger runs to a waiting car. That is the fact of the case.

IF she had a gun - not in her purse that was stolen - she was knocked to the ground, suffered a broken hip (I believe), could she play through the pain; shake the cobwebs out of her head; draw her pistol from wherever it was holstered; aim at a running target now many yards away, and pump a couple of slugs into the "10 ring"?

Then, besides probably hitting some innocent bystanders, would she be charged with a crime because the bad guy did not pose a threat to her anymore since he was running away?

Wow, that would be some remarkable 80 year old lady, wouldn't it?

As to the fire insurance - my bank requires me to have it for the mortgage. The Florida law requires me to have car insurance.

As I said, it is your right to carry. Absolutely no need for it but go ahead and do it if you do everything legal.

Point taken, but even after removing the cigar the breath would still remain disgusting, no?

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I guess I'm lost in the thread now.

Did the cigar chewer have a gun? Was he letting his dog poop in the grass outside the bar? Was he a politician espousing gun control?

Is this a demonstration of how to hijack any thread into the standard issues of complaint at TV?

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Had one of those witnesses been carrying, they could have been apprehended sooner or the crime averted all together. There is "no need for it".....until there is.

As for the cigar guy, I would just finish my drink and leave. If eating, I would just ask to be seated elsewhere as soon as there was another place available.

I'm not required to have house insurance, but I do. I'm not required to carry $300,000 auto coverage, but I do. So, in my case, it is the same as CC. It reminds me of the flood "victims" that never buy FEMA flood insurance, and then want FEMA to rebuild their house when it gets flooded.

As I was reading this thread I saw some interesting stats on a CNN report.
Since 911 we have had 74 people killed in terriost attacks, to which $800m has been spent. During this same period there were 150,000 gun deaths,
which nothing has been spent or anything done.
Seems like our priorities are misplaced.......

So he simply had the cigar in his mouth but he was not smoking it? it was not lit? He was chewing it?.... kind of like dipping snuff or chewing a wad of tobacco? Could the odor that you were smelling have been lingering on his clothes?

Is smoking allowed in the country clubs? although he was not technically smoking. Are vapor cigarettes allowed in the country clubs? I don't live in TV yet so I don't know the answer to these questions.

Your question is what would you have done? I would simply have moved to another table.

I think we sat next to this guy at the "Sharon" Performing Arts Center a couple weeks ago. The stench from his breath was awful. Some people have no clue.:boxing2::boxing2:

Chatbrat already said there were no more seats available.

:thumbup: Always the voice of reason.

Why would a woman with a concealed weapon permit carry a gun in the one place that a mugger would try to steal? Obviously posting opinions on a message board doesn't require training. Granny on the otherhand, would of had to undergo training, fingerprinting, background checks, photographing, pay a few dollars here and there all before she received her concealed weapon permit. Then she would of probably visited a gun shop or two and most likely would not have been quite as dumb as you protrayed her in your example.

Let's say she had a gun in a holster tucked in her pants. She gets knocked down to the ground from behind, breaks a hip (I believe), laying on the ground with a broken hip and pulls out her pistol and plugs a running perp many yards away? Not going to happen, dude.

Let's also say "Granny" was a WAC during the Korean War. All she needs for a CCL is her DD214, fingerprinting, and pay about $100. No training or test or shooting skill required at all for a veteran even though military service might have been 70 years ago.

Anyhow, enjoy packing your gun in legal places.

The granny I know is far younger than 80, very skilled with a pistol, and I would not want to hack her off. She is very aware of her surroundings. And has excellent reflexes. I think you may be underestimating the skills of certain Villagers.

I'm a little confused also. :confused: What on earth does a gun have to do with a man with bad breath in a bar chewing on a cigar?
I guess I need to read all 60 posts.

John W -
Most 80 year old woman I know wouldn't have the slightest interest in obtaining a permit to carry a concealed weapon. :shocked:

No, it's a demonstration of how rumors get started!

Personally, if I were seated next to someone who somehow offended me, I would have moved. But since you "only eat at bars", I guess that limits your options, so you just have to deal with it.

About half of those gun deaths were suicide; that's their choice, I'm libertarian. The other half were drug/gang bangers; again, no problem there; taking out the trash.

Do you carry when taking out the trash?

Half suicides and half criminals. I had no idea that of all the gun deaths not a single innocent victim was involved. Learn something new every day.

I'm curious about why the OP only eats at bars. More chance to socialize with strangers?

No. Actually, I don't carry in the compound. I feel pretty safe here. I admit that is a flimsy excuse for shirking my responsibility as a citizen to rely on others to protect me. But it is what it is. An Orlando LEO friend tells me "you have no idea what kind of people are around you". He even carries at Disney World. I guess you have to walk in his shoes to really appreciate how many predators there really are out there.

Smaller tip?

That's why I said "about". Check out the FBI stats on suicides; it was an eye opener for me.

We tend to usually eat at the bar. We love people and have met many fun people at the bar. There's more of a chance to talk and meet people. Plus we like the bartenders. :)

Why would you think smaller tip? We tip the same as we would tip any where in the restaurant. We tip on the bill. Sometimes we tip more at the bar because we've been having a fun time.

Whenever we leave the home, I really never know where we might end up for the day, so mine is always with me. Concerning Orlando, I've lived in STL (one of the most dangerous cities in America) and KC (a relatively low crime city); Orlando (including the metro area) is as violent as STL (and it's metro area) is.

Orlando's expanding and we're only 60 miles north....

I believe it is custom/tradition.

Never heard of that. Everyone I know tips according to what their bill is. Doesn't matter if I get a $30.00 bill at a table or at the bar, I tip on the $30.00.

I think if you ask your friends specifically if they tip the same % at a bar and table, they will tell you differently.

Why would you ask a bar person to do your dirty work for you?

No they definitely wouldn't. My friends tip on the bill. Never heard of anyone tipping less because someone else served them.