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cwwilber@gmail.com 04-03-2020 07:59 AM

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theruizs 04-03-2020 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1739082)
Good grief. With everything going on, people are worried about trivial stuff. Get over yourself.

Actually, this is not trivial BECAUSE of everything going on. More people are walking because that’s all many of us can really do right now. And with more people on the sidewalk, keeping social distance means more walkers may be using the diamond lanes to pass each other. In response to the OP, I am sure you do not want to cause harm, so if necessary slow down until you can safely move over. They may even take that as a hint. They may be technically breaking the rules and putting themselves in danger, but that should not be a death sentence, IMHO.

DougandLaddi 04-03-2020 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1739054)
Most of the roads, not all, that have cart lanes also have sidewalks, in which case it is illegal for the pedestrian to walk in the cart lane:

Florida statute 316.130 sec 3&4:

(3) Where sidewalks are provided, no pedestrian shall, unless required by other circumstances, walk along and upon the portion of a roadway paved for vehicular traffic.
(4) Where sidewalks are not provided, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the left side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian’s direction of travel, facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

This applies even if the sidewalk is on the other side of the road. If there is no sidewalk, I would be getting out of the way of a cart, car, or truck.

As far as another poster who said "pedestrians ALWAYS have the right of way, that is not always true, there are several cases of this, but here is one from 316.130 sec 10:

(10) Every pedestrian crossing a roadway at any point other than within a marked crosswalk or within an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles upon the roadway.

I think this is the definitive answer. Otherwise opinions vary.

bobnyce 04-03-2020 09:18 AM

Walkers in multi-modal situations, roads and paths.
 
Our house backs up to Rio Grande Ave. I cannot tell you how many walkers and bikers go the wrong way. Walkers fail to walk toward traffic and bikers who do ride toward traffic rather than with traffic. Then there are the motorized wheel chairs and scooters which really aggravate the golf cart drivers while they are on their phones, oh yes talking on phones in golf carts is extremely common - so walkers beware! I have seen many walkers jump to safety!

Since there is no sidewalk along Rio Grande Ave, walkers have no choice but to walk in the marked path. As such, golf carts should yield (which means stop if you must) just like in a car. Yield to pedestrians in EVERY CASE!!!!! You might want to put the phone down and drive with two hands. Almost all golf carts are running "wide open on Rio drag strip"! Just seems 20 MPH for carts and 25 MPH for cars is meaningless since most cars are going 40 to 45 MPH. You really are taking your life in your hands walking on Rio Grande Ave.

Walkers should know how to: stop, look and listen before crossing as well as walking against traffic so they can see you and you can see them! Oh yes, and practice your jumping skills. Especially with the speeding on Rio Grande Ave. Look out!!!!

Janlindsey4@gmail.com 04-03-2020 09:32 AM

As a pedestrian, I avoid cart lanes altogether. I walk defensively, facing traffic and getting UP on the curb to avoid any possibility of being hit by an approaching vehicle. As a cart driver, I try to avoid putting myself in the dangerous car lane. If I have to stop to let the pedestrian walk around me, (with no other carts behind me!) I will do so... Unfortunately, I have seen more and more walkers on Morse Boulevard, which is definitely not a safe place to walk. There are many pedestrians using the cart lanes as walking lanes on Enrique also. This is a growing problem, which I’m afraid cannot be stopped until at least one person is killed or seriously injured. The obvious, though not practical from a financial standpoint, is to give this area sidewalks. Good responses so far from you readers!

rickdankert 04-03-2020 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GOLFER54 (Post 1738936)
....and a person is walking towards them, should that person or persons go up on the grass and allow the golf cart to remain on the path, or should the golf cart go into the street and allow the person or persons to remain on the golf path ? I could be mistaken , but many a time the person will remain on the golf path forcing me to go into the car lanes, often having to wait till traffic clears to do so and puts me at risk for an accident, when all can be avoided if they allowed me to continue on the golf path. What are your opinions .....

If you’re driving, it’s on you to avoid the pedestrian. Slow down, move over if you can, stop if you can’t. Common sense.

Number 10 GI 04-03-2020 10:44 AM

The best choice is if it is bigger than you, get out of the way or suffer the consequences. How does being "right" work for you when you laying in a hospital bed or in a refrigerator in the morgue. So easy a Caveman Villager can figure it out.

ffresh 04-03-2020 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1739054)
Most of the roads, not all, that have cart lanes also have sidewalks, in which case it is illegal for the pedestrian to walk in the cart lane:

Florida statute 316.130 sec 3&4:

(3) Where sidewalks are provided, no pedestrian shall, unless required by other circumstances, walk along and upon the portion of a roadway paved for vehicular traffic.
(4) Where sidewalks are not provided, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the left side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian’s direction of travel, facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

This applies even if the sidewalk is on the other side of the road. If there is no sidewalk, I would be getting out of the way of a cart, car, or truck.

As far as another poster who said "pedestrians ALWAYS have the right of way, that is not always true, there are several cases of this, but here is one from 316.130 sec 10:

(10) Every pedestrian crossing a roadway at any point other than within a marked crosswalk or within an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles upon the roadway.

GREAT post with the info one needs rather than mere speculation (as usual) … thanks

Fred

golfing eagles 04-03-2020 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tsmall22204 (Post 1739281)
First of all they are not golf cart lanes. They are also for bicycles, walkers, and joggers. Yes if someone slower than a golf cart is in the lane then it is like passing a car you move into the car lanes. Stop being so stupid and enjoy this wonderful community. You are old a d not willing to adapt.

They ARE NOT for walkers or joggers if a sidewalk is present---see post #7 or Florida statute 316.130 sec 3

golfing eagles 04-03-2020 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by garrykolb (Post 1739385)
Please visit the north end of The Villages. NONE of the major roads with golf cart diamond lanes have sidewalks. Therefore, a pedestrian walking on those roads will be in that diamond lane. If you need specific examples, look at SE 86th Belle Meade Circle, SE 172nd Legacy Lane and so on.

The pedestrian should walk facing traffic. Just like on a regular neighborhood road, where a car must move into the middle of the road to avoid a walking pedestrian, a golf cart must move into the car lane to avoid a pedestrian. Of course, prudent pedestrians should always be aware of their situation and be prepared to move if the oncoming vehicle isn't avoiding them.

No kidding. That's where sec 4 of the statute applies

ffresh 04-03-2020 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1739197)
Bingo.


Law this, Law that. Rule this, Rule that. Enjoy the journey, slow down, drive defensively and use a little courtesy.


Can entitled be used in this tread??

Not sure but anti-pendantic could … I think :1rotfl:

Fred

Gerryk12 04-03-2020 12:22 PM

It's a golf cart path meant for golf carts! People need to remember that!

Gmomlaura 04-03-2020 12:30 PM

Wrong

Topspinmo 04-03-2020 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rickdankert (Post 1739549)
If you’re driving, it’s on you to avoid the pedestrian. Slow down, move over if you can, stop if you can’t. Common sense.

But what if you in blind spot? You have to take responsibility for you’re safety don’t depend on someone else.

ffresh 04-03-2020 01:13 PM

Right of Way
 
this term stems from maritime law and has carried over into aviation law at a later time, of course. Much of what we are all familiar with in the vehicle codes also stems from these early maritime laws, which state that the slower, less maneuverable "vessel" has the "Right of Way", obviously owing to the fact that the more-maneuverable vessel can negotiate more readily, regarding avoidance, than the larger, less-maneuverable one. Bearing that in mind, however, if two vessels, aircraft, vehicles, of the same class, are approaching at a 90 degree (or nearly so) angle, then, the one to the other's right enjoys the Right of Way. When you're mixing entities (people, golf carts), of course, the correct answer is often provided by law, statute, rules or "established good operating practices" (good luck on the latter :icon_wink:). Good practice, IMHO, in spite of this, is realizing you could be "dead right" if intransigent while operating in the real world.

Fred

frank1975 04-04-2020 10:04 AM

Well there seems to be a lot golf cart riders that don't know the law and TV rule. This is for on the path of on the road and golf cart path itself. Walkers, runners and bikers have a RIGHT to be on path. If a GC approaches a person they must move out giving person at least 3 ft. of room. If you have a approaching GC coming towards you must stop and wait for GC to pass then you give person 3 ft. and go around him. If you are on path on the road and have a car approaching from behind you then a have a right to move out (using your own judgement) or stop and wait for car to pass. Then move out at least 3 ft and pass the person. Let make this CLEAR! IT'S THE LAW.


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