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Altavia 04-23-2020 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bumpygreens (Post 1751805)
The pool isn't the problem. There is plenty of evidence that the chlorine and bromine used in a well maintained pool inactivates the virus. Gate latches, restrooms and chairs are the concern. We all know how to social distance, and we should all know how to deal with the minor risk of a possibly contaminated surface by now.

Additionally there is the dilution effect from the wind and water and UV inactivation from the sun. I've seen no evidence of infection traced to an outdoor environment.

Surface contact as you say would be the greatest risk. Maybe have people bring their own chairs and hand sanatizer.

graciegirl 04-23-2020 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 1751822)
Additionally there is the dilution effect from the wind and water and UV inactivation from the sun. I've seen no evidence of infection traced to an outdoor environment.

Surface contact as you say would be the greatest risk. Maybe have people bring their own chairs and hand sanatizer.

It just takes ONE.

It isn't like...well, we got most of those with the hand sanitizer...……………….

bumpygreens 04-23-2020 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1751815)
I have always been told, and I believe it is good to be out and about with people unless you are immune challenged. Before Covid-19 I NEVER once wiped down a grocery cart and every week I was at Laurel Manor with four different groups of people. I never flinched if someone sneezed and I sort of was "ouchy" around germaphobes.

But this, My friend is a horse of a different color. And the few statistics we can trust indicate that the age group living in The Villages is the most at risk. Are we sure the pool water is killing all of those teeny tiny virus bastards?

You go ahead, you and your wife. BUT PLEASE don't call others "paranoid".

Where in that post did I call anybody paranoid? I said fearful. I'm over 65 and have a form of asthma which puts me at a higher risk, but I should still have the right to decide how much risk I'm willing to assume for myself. Being in the fresh air and sunshine and swimming in a chlorinated pool doesn't bother me. Being in an enclosed airliner at this time or on the shuttle to MCO is more risk than I'm comfortable with, but I don't want to prohibit travel for others.

bumpygreens 04-23-2020 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1751818)
They aren't closed to accommodate the fearful.
Establishments and activities where social distancing cannot or WON'T be maintained are the main reason for the closures.

Just like the one in one out and one way traffic in grocery stores......is not for the fearful.

The needed separation would most likely not be attained if left up to individuals to make their own judgement.

Read your last sentence and give it some serious thought. If you don't see the problem with it, you should seriously consider changing your signature line.

coffeebean 04-23-2020 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 1751822)
Additionally there is the dilution effect from the wind and water and UV inactivation from the sun. I've seen no evidence of infection traced to an outdoor environment.

Surface contact as you say would be the greatest risk. Maybe have people bring their own chairs and hand sanatizer.

People should train themselves to NOT TOUCH THEIR FACE. That is imperative because, as I figure, the virus lurks on every surface imaginable that is in our world (with the exception of our home). Hand sanitizer is not necessary as long as you wash your hands as soon as you get home or wash your hands right before you eat if you are out of your home. I guess that is when hand sanitizer will come in handy if there is no sink with soap available.

Mleeja 04-23-2020 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 1751470)
You're drawing an arbitrary line in a swimming pool situation, so I have a few questions:

When are you going to get your hair cut?

When exactly will you feel safe having a stranger touch you and enter your "personal space"? Manicures/pedicures? Spa treatments, massages?

Do you ever intend to visit another doctor? Dentist? Eye exam? Has your vision changed and what do you intend to do to address it if it has? How about dental cleaning?

When can children play together again? Attend class in person? Play sports? Act in plays? Play in bands? Dance together? Can colleges resume classes? Dining halls open? Dormitories?

Is air travel safe? How about cruise ships/ferries/water taxis? Can you attend a professional sporting event in a stadium or arena? When can amusement parks and national parks open? How about beaches?

Restaurants? Are they viable business models with only one third of their tables open due to social distancing guidelines? How about bars? Live theatre?

These questions are literally endless...

When a preventative vaccine is readily available.

Mleeja 04-23-2020 03:30 PM

I can see it now. The pools reopen and all are playing nice by maintaining proper social distancing. Someone sneezes and everyone jumps into the pool at the same time!

CFrance 04-23-2020 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1752059)
I can see it now. The pools reopen and all are playing nice by maintaining proper social distancing. Someone sneezes and everyone jumps into the pool at the same time!

Ha ha! Or the reverse... someone in the pool sneezes and there's a rush for the steps.

Altavia 04-23-2020 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1751839)
It just takes ONE.

It isn't like...well, we got most of those with the hand sanitizer...……………….

Highly unlikely just one virus is enough, there is a minimum viral load and exposure time element. That's evident by how fast it spreads in enclosed spaces with common recirculated air.

I'm not aware of any case traced back to exposure outside. Maintain distance outside is even lower risk due to constant exchange of fresh air. Continuing golf with no reported instances may be further evidence of the risk reduction when outside.

Surfaces are a different story. Wash your hands, do not touch your face.

Fredster 04-23-2020 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1751733)
I don't know about that. I swim laps and I have missed being able to swim but, there is not 6 feet distance between lanes. There is also not 6 feet distance for walkers in the sports pools and certainly not in the neighborhood pools. It is like passing people in the aisles in a grocery store only without masks on.

My experience is based on going to an adult pool near my home. I don’t think you are supposed to do laps in an adult pool. Plus I personally know the small number of people that used the pool in the mornings I would be there, and they all are responsible considerate adults!

coffeebean 04-23-2020 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredster (Post 1752113)
My experience is based on going to an adult pool near my home. I don’t think you are supposed to do laps in an adult pool. Plus I personally know the small number of people that used the pool in the mornings I would be there, and they all are responsible considerate adults!

You are correct.....swimming laps in a neighborhood pool is not permitted, although I have seen a couple of people who swim laps in our neighborhood pool. I don't really frequent the neighborhood pool as I am a swimmer and go to the sports pools. I was referring to folks who walk in neighborhood pools. Social distancing is not a option because only half the pool is walkable. The other half is too deep to walk so walkers wind up close to each other.

thelegges 04-23-2020 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ficoguy (Post 1752040)
When our snowbird friends head back home

Yep blame it on people who pay their taxes, maintain, their homes, own more than one residence, usually with a lake, vacate TV so you have less people and only leave a small footprint for less than 6 months a year.

Jerseygirl08 04-24-2020 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1751480)
If its not a necessity wait, till the #'s really go down--what does another 30 days mean, in the big picture--the Admiral can't wait to swim again, may have to put an anchor on her.

I REALLY MISS SWIMMING:pray::pray: But I think once the pools open I will be swimming in pools with very very few people in the pool area. I may even wait until June or July, unfortunately. I do love swimming.

Altavia 04-24-2020 12:08 PM

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Recent lab studies carried out by the agency at the U.S. Army’s biosecurity laboratory at Fort Detrick, Md.

"This finding applied to the virus in contact with nonporous surfaces such as door handles. Adding in sunlight, the virus’s half-life decreases from six hours to two minutes at temperatures from 70 to 75 degrees and humidity of 80 percent. “That’s how much of an impact UV rays has on the virus,” Bryan said.

The laboratory experiment also tested how the virus decays when exposed to various elements while suspended in the air. When the airborne virus at temperatures between 70 and 75 degrees is exposed to sunlight, its half-life decreases from around 60 minutes before exposure to 1.5 minutes after.

Bryan summarized: “Within the conditions we’ve tested to date, the virus in droplets of saliva survives best in indoors and dry conditions. … The virus dies quickest in the presence of direct sunlight.”


White House promotes new lab results suggesting heat and sunlight slow coronavirus

j_vermilya 04-24-2020 01:24 PM

I personally hope all the pools open soon. Since people couldn't be considerate at some of the pools previously, perhaps it should be a 10 person limit, each person limited to one half hour so more can participate-half hour shifts. It may mean the "walkers" will have to change their routines so all 10 can be in the pool if they desire. Hopefully 2-4 weeks at most, we won't need any limitations.

N44125 04-24-2020 02:11 PM

Just announced, May 4th, limited number of people allowed, each pool will have a monitor to control access, stay limited to 1 hour, seating adjusted for social distancing.

N44125 04-24-2020 02:12 PM

Beginning Monday May 4, 2020 the Country Club Pools will re-open. All current Country Club Pool Guidelines will be in effect. Additionally, the following guidelines will be implemented to safely reopen the pools:
 Pool Hours will be from 9:00a.m. to 8:00p.m.
 Seating is limited. Guests will be allowed to enter each time an individual leaves the pool area, not to
exceed recommended capacities to maintain social distancing.
 Pool Ambassadors will monitor the gate.
 Please limit swim time to 1 hour.
 The Jacuzzi pools will be closed until further notice.

coffeebean 04-24-2020 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by N44125 (Post 1752747)
Beginning Monday May 4, 2020 the Country Club Pools will re-open. All current Country Club Pool Guidelines will be in effect. Additionally, the following guidelines will be implemented to safely reopen the pools:
 Pool Hours will be from 9:00a.m. to 8:00p.m.
 Seating is limited. Guests will be allowed to enter each time an individual leaves the pool area, not to
exceed recommended capacities to maintain social distancing.
 Pool Ambassadors will monitor the gate.
 Please limit swim time to 1 hour.
The Jacuzzi pools will be closed until further notice.

What are Jacuzzi pools?

Shbullet 04-24-2020 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1752120)
You are correct.....swimming laps in a neighborhood pool is not permitted, although I have seen a couple of people who swim laps in our neighborhood pool. I don't really frequent the neighborhood pool as I am a swimmer and go to the sports pools. I was referring to folks who walk in neighborhood pools. Social distancing is not a option because only half the pool is walkable. The other half is too deep to walk so walkers wind up close to each other.

Just curious, where does it say swimming laps in a swimming pool is not permitted. i can tell you where it says walking clubs in a pool are not permitted.......Imagine, most swimmers swim laps in a neighborhood pool for about 15 - 20 minutes and Ive seen
walkers in pools for over 2 hrs and never leave for a p..... break...

CWGUY 04-24-2020 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1752810)
What are Jacuzzi pools?

:icon_wink: They probably mean the hot tubs . Except for the Southside Pool which has one (I'm sure you don't know where that is) they are at some of the Priority Pools ( which were just explained to you recently) not all. :ho:

coffeebean 04-24-2020 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Shbullet (Post 1752811)
Just curious, where does it say swimming laps in a swimming pool is not permitted. i can tell you where it says walking clubs in a pool are not permitted.......Imagine, most swimmers swim laps in a neighborhood pool for about 15 - 20 minutes and Ive seen
walkers in pools for over 2 hrs and never leave for a p..... break...

I don't frequent our neighborhood pool often at all; maybe two or three times to sit with my husband. He doesn't swim like I do. I was told by a friend there is no swimming laps in the neighborhood pools so I would not do it.

Also, there are no lane dividers in neighborhood pools, no lane markers on the bottom of the pool or touch points at the ends of the pool. Actually, I would not want to swim laps in a neighborhood pool for those reasons. I never really looked at a posted sign at our neighborhood pool to see if swimming is not permitted but it certainly is not conducive for swimming laps. I spend my time at the sports pools to swim laps.

Bogie Shooter 04-24-2020 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by N44125 (Post 1752747)
Beginning Monday May 4, 2020 the Country Club Pools will re-open. All current Country Club Pool Guidelines will be in effect. Additionally, the following guidelines will be implemented to safely reopen the pools:
 Pool Hours will be from 9:00a.m. to 8:00p.m.
 Seating is limited. Guests will be allowed to enter each time an individual leaves the pool area, not to
exceed recommended capacities to maintain social distancing.
 Pool Ambassadors will monitor the gate.
 Please limit swim time to 1 hour.
 The Jacuzzi pools will be closed until further notice.

Curious, where was this announced?

Mleeja 04-24-2020 05:26 PM

If you can’t swim in a swimming pool, is it really a swimming pool? Or is it just a big pool of water to stand and gossip?

Mleeja 04-24-2020 05:40 PM

Here are the the Recreation Center guidelines for Adult Pools. Like everything else, it is open to your interpretation. The guide lines does not forbid swimming.
“ Neighborhood (Adult) Pools

Pools for residents and guests who are 30 years of age and over.
Equipment is located in the pool storage closet.
Noodles, unbreakable masks and goggles are the only items allowed in the pool.
The Recreation Dept. strives to make the pools safe for everyone’s use and enjoyment. The neighborhood adult pools are intended for refreshing socialization and non-organized/scheduled activities. Regularly scheduled water exercise groups are encouraged to use the sports pool for this purpose. Please contact your nearest regional recreation center and we’ll get you started.”

Also, you can walk in the sports pools.
“... Sport pools are designated for exercise programming... Open exercise and walk – no lanes or program leader. General exercise, walking and swimming.”

coffeebean 04-24-2020 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1752854)
Here are the the Recreation Center guidelines for Adult Pools. Like everything else, it is open to your interpretation. The guide lines does not forbid swimming.
“ Neighborhood (Adult) Pools

Pools for residents and guests who are 30 years of age and over.
Equipment is located in the pool storage closet.
Noodles, unbreakable masks and goggles are the only items allowed in the pool.
The Recreation Dept. strives to make the pools safe for everyone’s use and enjoyment. The neighborhood adult pools are intended for refreshing socialization and non-organized/scheduled activities. Regularly scheduled water exercise groups are encouraged to use the sports pool for this purpose. Please contact your nearest regional recreation center and we’ll get you started.”

Also, you can walk in the sports pools.
“... Sport pools are designated for exercise programming... Open exercise and walk – no lanes or program leader. General exercise, walking and swimming.”

"Refreshing socialization" can not be done when swimming. In fact, there is no socializing at all when swimming. This wording of "refreshing socialization" is a round about way of saying "No Swimming" in the neighborhood pools. Just my take. Anyone agree with the way I read it?

coffeebean 04-24-2020 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CWGUY (Post 1752813)
:icon_wink: They probably mean the hot tubs . Except for the Southside Pool which has one (I'm sure you don't know where that is) they are at some of the Priority Pools ( which were just explained to you recently) not all. :ho:

I've never been to a Country Club pool so I didn't know The Villages had hot tubs. Thanks.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-24-2020 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1752854)
Here are the the Recreation Center guidelines for Adult Pools. Like everything else, it is open to your interpretation. The guide lines does not forbid swimming.
“ Neighborhood (Adult) Pools

Pools for residents and guests who are 30 years of age and over.
Equipment is located in the pool storage closet.
Noodles, unbreakable masks and goggles are the only items allowed in the pool.
The Recreation Dept. strives to make the pools safe for everyone’s use and enjoyment. The neighborhood adult pools are intended for refreshing socialization and non-organized/scheduled activities. Regularly scheduled water exercise groups are encouraged to use the sports pool for this purpose. Please contact your nearest regional recreation center and we’ll get you started.”

Also, you can walk in the sports pools.
“... Sport pools are designated for exercise programming... Open exercise and walk – no lanes or program leader. General exercise, walking and swimming.”

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1752937)
"Refreshing socialization" can not be done when swimming. In fact, there is no socializing at all when swimming. This wording of "refreshing socialization" is a round about way of saying "No Swimming" in the neighborhood pools. Just my take. Anyone agree with the way I read it?

If it weren't for the part that says "and non-organized/scheduled activities" I'd agree with you. But there's that part that says "and non-organized/scheduled activities" so no, you would be incorrect, and there's really not all that much room for interpretation.

The point is that they don't want exercise classes or exercise groups in the adult pools, because those groups would get in the way with clusters of people who want to socialize in the water. There is nothing preventing individuals from swimming in the pool, unless the clusters are in the way.

I swim laps in the adult pools, and sometimes I just go there to cool off and NOT to socialize. Just - sort of float in the water, because it's refreshing. There's nothing preventing me from doing that either, and it's not against the rules. If people are in my way, I either swim around them, or I wait until they move away and swim the laps then.

Love2Swim 04-25-2020 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Shbullet (Post 1752811)
Just curious, where does it say swimming laps in a swimming pool is not permitted. i can tell you where it says walking clubs in a pool are not permitted.......Imagine, most swimmers swim laps in a neighborhood pool for about 15 - 20 minutes and Ive seen
walkers in pools for over 2 hrs and never leave for a p..... break...

Really? I can't imagine swimming laps in a neighborhood pool, they are so short. Most lap swimmers I know swim at the Sport pools, and swim for about an hour. My concern would be when swimmers take a break at one end of the pool, and another swimmer is in the lane next to them taking a break. They are not six feet apart. Plus, if people use the locker rooms, IMHO, the locker rooms and shower areas have surfaces people would touch which would become contaminated.

Shbullet 04-25-2020 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1752974)
Really? I can't imagine swimming laps in a neighborhood pool, they are so short. Most lap swimmers I know swim at the Sport pools, and swim for about an hour. My concern would be when swimmers take a break at one end of the pool, and another swimmer is in the lane next to them taking a break. They are not six feet apart. Plus, if people use the locker rooms, IMHO, the locker rooms and shower areas have surfaces people would touch which would become contaminated.

Im not referring to "competitive laps" I am simply referring to swimming from 1 end to the other end for a little exercise, in a adult swimming pool.

jebartle 04-25-2020 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1751735)
Do you realize swimmers blow out air into the water when they swim? That is what makes bubbles in the water. If you swim the proper way, you take in air as you turn your head to the side, then place your face in the water to blow out the air either through the nose, mouth or both.

True BUT we have swimmers that take in mouth full of water and then spit it out.

Mleeja 04-25-2020 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jebartle (Post 1753070)
True BUT we have swimmers that take in mouth full of water and then spit it out.

That is advisable to do. Otherwise they would drown....

Fredster 04-25-2020 10:00 AM

I use a pool for walking and exercising since it is easy on my arthritis.
That being the case I don’t go to sports pools which I understand
are more conducive to organized pool activities like water volleyball, aerobics etc. plus those that want to swim laps.
When I’ve been at my local adult pool,
occasionally a person will come that wants to swim some laps.
And pretty much without exception others and myself who are walking will adjust our pace and movements to accommodate them, since they only do laps for a short time.
Maybe I’m unusually fortunate, but my local pool users are a very considerate group.
No matter what activities one chooses to participate in TV
it is always good to play nice together!

Shbullet 04-25-2020 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Fredster (Post 1753204)
I use a pool for walking and exercising since it is easy on my arthritis.
That being the case I don’t go to sports pools which I understand
are more conducive to organized pool activities like water volleyball, aerobics etc. plus those that want to swim laps.
When I’ve been at my local adult pool,
occasionally a person will come that wants to swim some laps.
And pretty much without exception others and myself who are walking will adjust our pace and movements to accommodate them, since they only do laps for a short time.
Maybe I’m unusually fortunate, but my local pool users are a very considerate group.
No matter what activities one chooses to participate in TV
it is always good to play nice together!

Exactly...I do simple laps in a swimming pool and I find what you say is exactly how most people are in the pool that i go to also

coffeebean 04-25-2020 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1752946)
If it weren't for the part that says "and non-organized/scheduled activities" I'd agree with you. But there's that part that says "and non-organized/scheduled activities" so no, you would be incorrect, and there's really not all that much room for interpretation.

The point is that they don't want exercise classes or exercise groups in the adult pools, because those groups would get in the way with clusters of people who want to socialize in the water. There is nothing preventing individuals from swimming in the pool, unless the clusters are in the way.

I swim laps in the adult pools, and sometimes I just go there to cool off and NOT to socialize. Just - sort of float in the water, because it's refreshing. There's nothing preventing me from doing that either, and it's not against the rules. If people are in my way, I either swim around them, or I wait until they move away and swim the laps then.

If I were to swim laps without the lane markings on the bottom of the pool, I would slam into the side wall of the pool. I don't look ahead when I'm swimming laps, I'm looking down and to the sides. I take breaths every third stroke and that does not allow me to look ahead. I would also slam into anyone in the pool who would be in front of me. As I said in my post earlier, swimming laps is not conducive in neighborhood pools. It would be extremely unsafe for me.

Now, bobbing up and down with a noodle under my butt is what I do when I'm in a neighborhood pool. There is a lot to be said about that kind of relaxation.......utterly sublime!

coffeebean 04-25-2020 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Shbullet (Post 1753013)
Im not referring to "competitive laps" I am simply referring to swimming from 1 end to the other end for a little exercise, in a adult swimming pool.

I'm not referring to "competitive laps" either. I've never competed in swimming in my life. I swim for exercise.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-25-2020 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1753300)
If I were to swim laps without the lane markings on the bottom of the pool, I would slam into the side wall of the pool. I don't look ahead when I'm swimming laps, I'm looking down and to the sides. I take breaths every third stroke and that does not allow me to look ahead. I would also slam into anyone in the pool who would be in front of me. As I said in my post earlier, swimming laps is not conducive in neighborhood pools. It would be extremely unsafe for me.

Now, bobbing up and down with a noodle under my butt is what I do when I'm in a neighborhood pool. There is a lot to be said about that kind of relaxation.......utterly sublime!

Swimming laps is perfectly conducive. You, however, are not. That's why you have a problem swimming laps in a pool that most people have no problem swimming laps in. It's not the pool. It's you.

Villageswimmer 04-25-2020 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1753318)
Swimming laps is perfectly conducive. You, however, are not. That's why you have a problem swimming laps in a pool that most people have no problem swimming laps in. It's not the pool. It's you.

No. It’s the pool. Lap swimmers rely on the black line on the floor of the pool to know where to turn, etc. Lap lane ropes keep swimmers from running into one another.

Marvic 1 04-25-2020 02:34 PM

Who's going the skim the top surface from the big-bath-tub (pool) for saliva, you know the water that goes into your mouth and then back out..... :shocked:

coffeebean 04-25-2020 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1753318)
Swimming laps is perfectly conducive. You, however, are not. That's why you have a problem swimming laps in a pool that most people have no problem swimming laps in. It's not the pool. It's you.

Sorry, but I respectfully disagree. Only a swimmer knows what I'm talking about. I don't mean those folks who "swim" with their heads above the water the entire time. I'm talking about swimming with goggles and a swim cap on with your face in the water looking at the bottom of the pool to keep your position. Looking at the bottom of the pool for the markings that let you know you are getting close to the wall of the pool.

The adult neighborhood pools do not have any of those markings I mentioned, hence NOT conducive for swimming laps. Sports pools have the markings for swimming laps. These are two completely different types of pools.

coffeebean 04-25-2020 02:57 PM

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