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Originally Posted by JRcorvette (Post 2228792)

For commercial companies that cost will be passed on to the consumers (YOU). Can you see even higher inflation!

Already happening, they tax the crap out of diesel, that’s why it costs way more than gas despite the fact it requires less refining than gas.

In my opinion, the gas tax is one of the fairest taxes, much more fair than the income tax.

My guess is never. It would involve a whole new system and the government is notorious for being bad at developing new systems that work.

Most of the governments around the world aren't too stupid. They'll start taxing electric charging stations per kw-hour before too long. Of course here, the Federal and State governments will each want a piece of that pie.

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Originally Posted by mrchip72 (Post 2228898)

most of the governments around the world aren't too stupid. They'll start taxing electric charging stations per kw-hour before too long. Of course here, the federal and state governments will each want a piece of that pie.

ultimately they'll add congestion pricing with the municipality determining what time that will be

You can be sure of one thing, the bean counters have worked it out years ago. We are just the pawns.

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Originally Posted by Janie123 (Post 2228650)

Just wondering… at what point do you think we will need to switch from a gas tax at the pump to tax per mile of driving? Currently there are approximately 1% of all cars on the road are EVs and in 2022 according to Car and Driver, in 2022, 4.6% of all new cars sold are EVs. By 2025 that number is looking to be 10% and by 2035, 35%. From a back of envelope calculation using some average numbers, 12000 miles of driving a year would be about $250 +/- in an annual tax for a standard passenger sedan.

Here’s my calculations… Let’s say for example all cars with 4 wheels and weigh between 2500 and 4000 pounds get 25 MPG. The average gas tax across the country is $.55 per gallon with CA being $.85 and MO being $.35 per gallon. Motorcycles and very light cars could pay less, larger cars/hummers/large pickups and cargo vans pay more as they do today because their MPG is much lower.

My suggestion would be to claim you mileage driven evert Yeager when you register your car and pay the tax at that time… no need for some sophisticated tracking system on each car. Of course, I’m sure the current Tesla and some of the others are already tracking miles driven.

Incentivizing and mandating EVs is one the stupidest and most diabolical government policies ever. The main reason isn't to save energy but to greatly expand the control over people. It also will eventually overwhelm our electrical grid and result a significant reduction in our standard of living.

If EV owners actually had to pay the true cost of manufacturing and disposal of electric batteries then the adoption of them would be far less.

The only people who should be charged with a mileage tax are the ones who don't pay for taxes at the fuel pump. EV owners should be obliged to report their mileage and pay the appropriate amount to a government agency since they don't pay the fuel taxes designated for road construction and repair.

I cannot see an electric car ever fitting my lifestyle nor an electric golf cart. Plus I don’t believe for a second that importing batteries from say China is really helping our world. It puts us more reliant on a communist country’s Slave labor and stuck during power grid shortages.

As cars switch to electric gasoline tax declines, and electricity tax increases. Taxes will always be paid.

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2228728)

It’s at least equally difficult to impossible to get them to stop the spending addiction.

Tax, tax, tax, it's off to work I go.

New tax will be in addition

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Originally Posted by Janie123 (Post 2228650)

They won't replace fuel tax. They'll just add an additional tax so we will pay double tax.

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Originally Posted by Skunky1 (Post 2228910)

You can be sure of one thing, the bean counters have worked it out years ago. We are just the pawns.

Agree, when I put my "tin foil hat" on I see a reason why bike paths are being put in as

We are taxed to earn $, taxed again to spend that $ and after we dieour $ is taxed as we will it off. Joe Black has it right, death and taxes, two sure things. There will be a day when we will pay taxes to ride a bike. Guess people just LOVE to pay taxes.

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2228657)

Honor system?????

Would be better to drop all gas taxes and distribute that expected revenue in registration fees across every vehicle.

Excellent idea.

Don't forget that motor fuel taxes have two components...the federal tax (.18 per gallon), and the state tax (.35 per gallon in Florida). While the federal tax is uniform across the nation, the state taxes vary...from a high of .61 in Pennsylvania to .09 in Alaska. The average state tax on gasoline is .29.

When you take a trip in your car across different states, in effect, you are paying to use the roads in those states when you buy gas there. If fuel taxes were eliminated (never going to happen), individual states would immediately feel the bite. Most states get the bulk of their highway funds from fuel taxes. No one likes taxes, but fuel taxes are at least somewhat fair. When you drive more, you burn more fuel. You burn (buy) more fuel, you pay more tax. If you drive very little, you pay very little in tax.

Rest assured that the federal government, as well as individual states, will come up with a way to tax electric vehicles. Many states have already done so. If you are driving on the roadways, you are contributing to the wear and tear, and should expect to pay your share for the upkeep.

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Originally Posted by Janie123 (Post 2228650)

It’s been a fact of life, for the trucking companies, for many years. They pay state and federal taxes on miles driven and on fuel used. That is on each individual truck. The paperwork involved was a pain in the butt.