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Bobbie Vayo 03-29-2020 10:16 AM

Virus
 
I feel it was lab-created and then infected people in China. The question now is, was it intentional??? I would not put it past China!!! They kill their own brothers and sisters!

Steve32162 03-29-2020 10:19 AM

Natural Virus
 
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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 1735391)
Did the virus emerge “naturally” or was it at least, in part, the product of a lab experiment gone wrong? No one knows for sure. Presumably after all this blows over, we’ll have a variety of investigations to answer this and other questions.

In the meantime, here’s a pertinent news story from Italian TV circa 2015. It’s quite interesting.

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According to an article I read, it's been determined through analysis of the virus' DNA that the virus is a naturally occurring one and not man made.

TexaninVA 03-29-2020 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye (Post 1736059)
I don’t agree or disagree with anybody. I assume we’re all guessing unless you work as high up as the president & he or anyone else knows exactly where it came from or how to cure it.Or they would have the cure by now & know where it came from for sure. To many people are doubting everything we were told to do because a lot of people are out running around like it’s just a headache, except for getting food for themselves! Stay the hell home!!!!

Good advice. Best thing to do now is stay home, especially with the virus refugees relocating to FL from NYC & NJ especially. It's inevitable the risk will spike here in TV in next week or two as a result.

TexaninVA 03-29-2020 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve32162 (Post 1736075)
According to an article I read, it's been determined through analysis of the virus' DNA that the virus is a naturally occurring one and not man made.

Yes, I've read those articles. Actually, I hope they're right and my theory is wrong. Pretty sobering implications militarily and otherwise, especially if evidence of deliberate release. I still think it was accidental ... ie mainly through stupidity & bureaucratic incompetence.

CitizenKK 03-29-2020 10:47 AM

Great...normal meat, vegtables, and fruit is not enough...I guess.
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Originally Posted by Bwolf1 (Post 1735701)
The Corona Virus has been closely examined by the CDC and scientists have determined without doubt that this virus is naturally evolved. There is no gene splicing nor are there any lab generated anomalies to this Virus. It has most certainly manifested itself through Chinese consumption of Horseshoe Bats, the source of this virus.


Jawor1234 03-29-2020 11:10 AM

I understand taking down posts that are politically motivated. So then why do you have a Trump ad at the end of this?!
“Do as I say, not as I do”????

TexaninVA 03-29-2020 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jawor1234 (Post 1736111)
I understand taking down posts that are politically motivated. So then why do you have a Trump ad at the end of this?!
“Do as I say, not as I do”????

You really need to quote the posts your referring to in order for people to understand what you're trying to say.

DianeM 03-29-2020 11:28 AM

I do not know if this was accidental or released on purpose but I do believe they were creating a form of bio warfare in their top secret labs. I would not put anything past the Chinese regime. They want to nail us to the wall and what better way than by destroying our economy.

DonH57 03-29-2020 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 1736127)
I do not know if this was accidental or released on purpose but I do believe they were creating a form of bio warfare in their top secret labs. I would not put anything past the Chinese regime. They want to nail us to the wall and what better way than by destroying our economy.

I believe either it was a working experiment that slipped out or a deliberate test run. They'll wrecking more than one countries economy. I hope it's a wake up call to get this country to be less dependant on other countries and start making stuff again.

jryley2@yahoo.com 03-29-2020 12:16 PM

The first case was Noted on Nov, 2019 in Hubei China. The lady infected at wet market did not get infected until Dec.
The CoV-2, originated in a bat and somehow hopped to another animal, possibly the pangolin, which then passed it on to humans. The disease is now spreading between people without any animal intermediary.

junction29 03-29-2020 01:47 PM

Spot on
 
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Originally Posted by wmcgowan (Post 1735955)
Im thinking about writing a book - here is a synopsis: Large Communist Government want to be world leader. They devise a plan to introduce a deadly virus to their own people at the height of a New Year celebration. Millions are infected but show no signs of sickness for weeks. Once the NY celebration is over the infected people travel all around the globe returning to homes, visiting friends and family carrying the virus unknowingly. The Government understand that many of their citizens will die from the virus but they calculate that they could sacrifice millions and still have billions of citizens remaining. The virus infects millions and millions around the globe killing thousands. It a Pandemic that puts the large government as the leader of the world.

People have been eating bats for thousands of years - why is this happening now?

Fiction or non fiction - thoughts?

Non fiction and a spot on assessment of reality, well done!

Rosebud1949 03-29-2020 02:16 PM

We have heard, not confirmed, that although this Virus started in Wuhan the numbers of Chinese visitors/ workers to and from Northern Italy during their "New Year' caused the start of it. the north has leather factories sold to the Chinese and they imported workers. The Chinese always travel on New Year ALL OVER THE WORLD. Start of virus hence the death toll of 10,000 in Northern Italy. The governments lack of action both here and abroad has made this a crisis.. Listen to Dr Fauci" who has been the Chief Doctor for YEARS he is telling the truth.....

graciegirl 03-29-2020 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by junction29 (Post 1736217)
Non fiction and a spot on assessment of reality, well done!

The virus evolved. Just as the HIV virus evolved. It was a mutation.

rsb03 03-29-2020 07:06 PM

Don’t spread conspiracy theories. Much scientific evidence supports that it arose naturally.

TexaninVA 03-29-2020 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rsb03 (Post 1736424)
Don’t spread conspiracy theories. Much scientific evidence supports that it arose naturally.

I think you're heard the term "conspiracy theory," and while not fulling understanding what that actually means, decided it somehow applies. That was answered earlier in this thread if you want to look it up.

prntxpresn 03-29-2020 08:30 PM

Drones
 
It's the endless professional drones dropping the virus world wide. Natural selection - get rid of old & very young!

DonH57 03-29-2020 08:55 PM

As much as I don't want to say it I'm believing more and more this wasn't accidental on the part of the chinese government. My personal opinion is we've been blindsided like we were on 9-11. Our country's been to busy fighting each other. We've been depending on other countries for so long and forking over money to countries that hate our guts while we shut down our own needs. I'm not happy with ANY of our government officials. Like I said. I had to vent.

TexaninVA 03-31-2020 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 1736475)
As much as I don't want to say it I'm believing more and more this wasn't accidental on the part of the chinese government. My personal opinion is we've been blindsided like we were on 9-11. Our country's been to busy fighting each other. We've been depending on other countries for so long and forking over money to countries that hate our guts while we shut down our own needs. I'm not happy with ANY of our government officials. Like I said. I had to vent.

The most likely explanation is a procedural or human error in the Chinese Biowarfare Lab in Wuhan contributed to the contamination and resulted in what has since morphed into a worldwide pandemic. It’s unlikely, although not yet disproven, that the Chinese did this deliberately.

The source of the “accidental” theory is from Brad Johnson. Johnson is s retired Senior Operations Officer and former Chief of Station with the Central Intelligence Agency’s Directorate of Operations. He explains his theory in a well-viewed video but posting the link here will likely be viewed as a violation of the TOS, and removed by the Moderator. Hence, in deference to the TOTV rules we all need to abide by, you’ll have to search for the video on your own. Simply search for “Brad Johnson Wuhan video” and you should be able to find it. What follows is a summarized analysis as sent to me by a friend and who also did a deep dive into Johnson’s background and claim. One thing I did not know is Johnson is a member of the Cherokee Nation, just an interesting tidbit.

“Brad Johnson has served domestically and abroad with numerous assignments often during periods of armed conflict. He has served overseas in direct support of the War against Terrorism. Mr. Johnson is a certified senior expert in Counterintelligence issues with extensive direct experience in the field. He is a senior expert in surveillance and surveillance detection issues. He has proven expertise in dangerous operational environments with the highest level of training and extensive direct experience in tradecraft for dangerous areas. His proven expertise also extends to denied operational environments (most difficult and restrictive) with the highest levels of training offered anywhere in the USG or the world and extensive direct experience. Mr. Johnson managed the overseas portion of the Persons Indicated For War Crimes (PIFWC) program and has served overseas as Chief of Station multiple times. He is an enrolled member of The Cherokee Nation, a Federally Recognized Tribe. Since his retirement from the CIA, Mr. Johnson has run a successful intelligence related training company.

Johnson outlined a 10 year history, starting in Winnipeg with back and forth travel to Wuhan, where the Chinese were caught trying to smuggle vials in Boston to Wuhan, and the head of Chemistry Department at Harvard was arrested along with Chinese student(s). All tied to Chinese intelligence program and the Level 4 lab in Wuhan. Then there is the Chinese program within our 50 states tied into our universities. All links strongly suggesting technology transfer from Canada/US to China’s Level 4 lab. About that there can be no doubt. Being going on for well over 35 years.

Mr. Johnson spoke of four separate insertions in the spike-liko protein of the Covid-19 virus (think I am saying this correctly). Went from exactly the same family of the SARS virus to four mutations and Mr. Johnson explained this is statistically impossible. He also explained that the mutations are connected to the AIDS virus; I believe he said the Chinese took from the AIDS virus and inserted into the SARS virus with 4 mutations to create a virus that theoretically could be used as a Weapon of Mass Destruction. What troubles me is I would think others throughout the world specializing in epidemiology and infectious diseases would have pointed out these mutations. The fact that I cannot find anyone else corroborating Mr. Johnson’s claim leaves me wanting for additional verifiable information. So I cannot accept his claim on face value.

My own opinion, for what its worth, is that this virus is a product of the Level 4 Wuhan lab and it got away from them into the general public. The rest is a coverup of gigantic proportions to hide what they have been doing these past 40 years, and to protect their assets in the U.S. and throughout the rest of the world where they no doubt are gleaning secret scientific research from other governmental programs.

My own company provided capital equipment to China in the 80s. I know how they worked then, appropriating technology from other world-wide companies, and did it without shame, for they thought it a great compliment to us and others that they would copy our designs. A cultural issue perhaps for the lower class; a purposeful appropriation of intellectual property for their upper class and leadership.”

DonH57 03-31-2020 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 1737246)
The most likely explanation is a procedural or human error in the Chinese Biowarfare Lab in Wuhan contributed to the contamination and resulted in what has since morphed into a worldwide pandemic. It’s unlikely, although not yet disproven, that the Chinese did this deliberately.

The source of the “accidental” theory is from Brad Johnson. Johnson is s retired Senior Operations Officer and former Chief of Station with the Central Intelligence Agency’s Directorate of Operations. He explains his theory in a well-viewed video but posting the link here will likely be viewed as a violation of the TOS, and removed by the Moderator. Hence, in deference to the TOTV rules we all need to abide by, you’ll have to search for the video on your own. Simply search for “Brad Johnson Wuhan video” and you should be able to find it. What follows is a summarized analysis as sent to me by a friend and who also did a deep dive into Johnson’s background and claim. One thing I did not know is Johnson is a member of the Cherokee Nation, just an interesting tidbit.

“Brad Johnson has served domestically and abroad with numerous assignments often during periods of armed conflict. He has served overseas in direct support of the War against Terrorism. Mr. Johnson is a certified senior expert in Counterintelligence issues with extensive direct experience in the field. He is a senior expert in surveillance and surveillance detection issues. He has proven expertise in dangerous operational environments with the highest level of training and extensive direct experience in tradecraft for dangerous areas. His proven expertise also extends to denied operational environments (most difficult and restrictive) with the highest levels of training offered anywhere in the USG or the world and extensive direct experience. Mr. Johnson managed the overseas portion of the Persons Indicated For War Crimes (PIFWC) program and has served overseas as Chief of Station multiple times. He is an enrolled member of The Cherokee Nation, a Federally Recognized Tribe. Since his retirement from the CIA, Mr. Johnson has run a successful intelligence related training company.

Johnson outlined a 10 year history, starting in Winnipeg with back and forth travel to Wuhan, where the Chinese were caught trying to smuggle vials in Boston to Wuhan, and the head of Chemistry Department at Harvard was arrested along with Chinese student(s). All tied to Chinese intelligence program and the Level 4 lab in Wuhan. Then there is the Chinese program within our 50 states tied into our universities. All links strongly suggesting technology transfer from Canada/US to China’s Level 4 lab. About that there can be no doubt. Being going on for well over 35 years.

Mr. Johnson spoke of four separate insertions in the spike-liko protein of the Covid-19 virus (think I am saying this correctly). Went from exactly the same family of the SARS virus to four mutations and Mr. Johnson explained this is statistically impossible. He also explained that the mutations are connected to the AIDS virus; I believe he said the Chinese took from the AIDS virus and inserted into the SARS virus with 4 mutations to create a virus that theoretically could be used as a Weapon of Mass Destruction. What troubles me is I would think others throughout the world specializing in epidemiology and infectious diseases would have pointed out these mutations. The fact that I cannot find anyone else corroborating Mr. Johnson’s claim leaves me wanting for additional verifiable information. So I cannot accept his claim on face value.

My own opinion, for what its worth, is that this virus is a product of the Level 4 Wuhan lab and it got away from them into the general public. The rest is a coverup of gigantic proportions to hide what they have been doing these past 40 years, and to protect their assets in the U.S. and throughout the rest of the world where they no doubt are gleaning secret scientific research from other governmental programs.

My own company provided capital equipment to China in the 80s. I know how they worked then, appropriating technology from other world-wide companies, and did it without shame, for they thought it a great compliment to us and others that they would copy our designs. A cultural issue perhaps for the lower class; a purposeful appropriation of intellectual property for their upper class and leadership.”

Thanks. First chance I get I will look it up. I've been busy doing yard work to keep my mind busy and lock out bad thoughts.:shocked:

TexaninVA 03-31-2020 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 1737264)
Thanks. First chance I get I will look it up. I've been busy doing yard work to keep my mind busy and lock out bad thoughts.:shocked:

You're welcome. I've been out in my yard too.:icon_wink:

Here's some more pertinent information.

This is the link from Yahoo News: Suspected SARS virus and flu germs found in luggage: FBI report describes China'''s '''biosecurity risk'''


Here's a brief summary. See the link for the full details.:

“The Weapons of Mass Destruction Directorate assesses foreign scientific researchers who transport undeclared and undocumented biological materials into the United States in their personal carry-on and/or checked luggage almost certainly present a US biosecurity risk,” reads the report. “The WMDD makes this assessment with high confidence based on liaison reporting with direct access.”

The report, which came out more than two months before the World Health Organization learned of a cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan that turned out to be COVID-19, appears to be part of a larger FBI concern about China’s involvement with scientific research in the U.S. While the report refers broadly to foreign researchers, all three cases cited involve Chinese nationals."

Topspinmo 03-31-2020 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1735645)
I think it is very important to find out exactly where and how it originated, but not in an effort to put blame on anyone. It is important so the world can learn and adopt, to help prevent something like this from happening again.


Bottom line when the 🐥 come home to roost it’s in China

Topspinmo 03-31-2020 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jawor1234 (Post 1736111)
I understand taking down posts that are politically motivated. So then why do you have a Trump ad at the end of this?!
“Do as I say, not as I do”????

You and we are moochers, adds pay for The site. You think they operate for free for our convenience?

Topspinmo 03-31-2020 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1735962)
Even more interesting is this report from 1998 which details that a saved sample from a Bantu who died in the 1950's tested positive for HIV. This shows how a virus can be around for a long time then with a combination of a minor genetic change and opportunity it suddenly becomes wide spread. You might note the name of the expert who commented on this study for the article. Some guy named Fauci.

Since this 1998 report the back tracing of HIV has moved the timeline to earlier in the 20th century. If you are stuck on your couch and want to read a very detailed study with lots of diagrams and figures.. Origins of HIV and the AIDS Pandemic

You will see that both monkeys and apes were vectors of transmission to humans of slightly different strains of the virus. Ain't science great!

Why wouldn’t they be vectors of transmission they branch off the same tree :1rotfl::1rotfl:

Moderator 03-31-2020 12:33 PM

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“Do as I say, not as I do”????

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