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jimjamuser 11-02-2022 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GaryKoca (Post 2153567)
Most people here are just fine. But one thing I have noticed, When I am on a street like Hillsboro when the driving lane and golf cart lane merge and I am on my golf cart merging (turn signal is on), more and more drivers will cut me off even though they entered the lane after me. Never used to see that before.

An example of my theory of the politeness change after Covid.

jimjamuser 11-02-2022 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by banksupply (Post 2153578)
Coming home from water volleyball I got behind a gal that was going 15-16 miles per hour and I decided to go around this gal and her dog. As I passed I did a kind wave to say thanks for letting me pass and she laid on the horn! What!!! I was trying to be friendly. It's shocking how some people think being ugly is ok....where are their manners?

Perhaps try NOT passing in that situation. maybe the cart driver has been SPOOKED by cars passing too close to her in the past.

jimjamuser 11-02-2022 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bwasman (Post 2153586)
Many people in Florida and the Villages think you can relax and not be responsible when driving....I"d remind you that driving is a full time responsibility and requires full time attention. The rules are the same for everyone and if you are lax and irresponsible you put someone in potential jeopardy. You don't have that right! If you don't know the rules..LEARN THEM...You don't stop learning just because you are in The Villages or Florida and are older. Driving a car, golf cart, bicycle or walking requires constant attention. You cannot fall asleep just because traffic has stopped or because you want to make up your own rules. The speeds are designed for everybody, not for you to decide how fast or slow you wish to go because of your mood. Going too slow is just as bad as going too fast! Don't even get me started on the number of companies that don't have proper lighting on trailers etc.

With respect to the last sentence. I don't believe that The Villages employs enough Police. if you know about that problem then WHY do NOT the Police.......and act on it.

jimjamuser 11-02-2022 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacob85 (Post 2153626)
I totally agree. It’s hard to understand why so many old retired people are in such a hurry. Also, the climate now in the last few years seems to be one in which people feel free to deal with their anger in an aggressive way.

"the last few years"......that would lend credibility to my Covid theory.

jimjamuser 11-02-2022 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeycereal (Post 2153629)
On grumps, during my first golf card ride in the villages last year a friend who was taking me around with his enhanced cart mentioned that a few times when he passed others they gave the finger. Currently I have yet to encounter anyone yelling at me on my cart for anything, but they'll need to shout above Van Halen on volume 11.:cool:

To me "enhanced"carts are a problem. It would seem safer if all carts had the same top speed. But, anyway when I am out working in my yard and a faster, enhanced cart drives by I notice that it smells more than the unenhanced ones.

Byte1 11-02-2022 01:30 PM

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DAVES 11-02-2022 01:31 PM

Endless posts trying to justify. We have far more control over what we do over what others do.
Those that complain about others screaming at them. If, it is a regular occurrence, you might wonder if you are the cause.

jimjamuser 11-02-2022 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilyclub (Post 2153631)
If the passed cart was doing 20 mph which is the speed limit, there is no reason to pass them. Unless your friend has a street legal cart, which is allowed to go 25 mph. What does "enhanced" mean ?

It means illegal tampering with the golf cart's governor. Unfortunately, they do not get ticketed often, or never.

DAVES 11-02-2022 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2153841)
To me "enhanced"carts are a problem. It would seem safer if all carts had the same top speed. But, anyway when I am out working in my yard and a faster, enhanced cart drives by I notice that it smells more than the unenhanced ones.

There is the law. I suggest all check. Top LEGAL speed is 20 miles per hour. More than that and you need to have a license, insurance and PLATES. Far as smells a golf cart that smells more than usual is probably not properly tuned. Most golf carts are actually designed to do 12 miles per hour. They are top heavy, narrow wheel spacing so easy to roll. They have brakes on only the rear wheels so like your old bicycle, when you apply the brakes the weight shifts forward and it easily skids reducing the effectiveness of the brakes. Handling, closer to a brick than a sportscar.

DAVES 11-02-2022 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2153820)
An example of my theory of the politeness change after Covid.

Again THE LAW. The law is that THE CAR has the right of way. Aside, I ride a bike, drive a golf cart and drive a car. Recent story on the villages radio station, Florida drivers are listed as the worst drivers in the nation.

Bilyclub 11-02-2022 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeycereal (Post 2153676)
Means he had it turned up to go over 19.

There are also enhanced carts with blue led lights and flashing blue lights. All of which are illegal on the streets.

mikeycereal 11-02-2022 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2153841)
To me "enhanced"carts are a problem. It would seem safer if all carts had the same top speed. But, anyway when I am out working in my yard and a faster, enhanced cart drives by I notice that it smells more than the unenhanced ones.

I'm fine at 20, which is what the new carts go at with 10" tires put on. When he said it's harder on the back end after fixing a cart to go faster I decided not to.

JD Tremor 11-02-2022 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2153845)
It means illegal tampering with the golf cart's governor. Unfortunately, they do not get ticketed often, or never.

Illegal? Oh? Interested in the code.

Byte1 11-02-2022 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2153850)
There is the law. I suggest all check. Top LEGAL speed is 20 miles per hour. More than that and you need to have a license, insurance and PLATES. Far as smells a golf cart that smells more than usual is probably not properly tuned. Most golf carts are actually designed to do 12 miles per hour. They are top heavy, narrow wheel spacing so easy to roll. They have brakes on only the rear wheels so like your old bicycle, when you apply the brakes the weight shifts forward and it easily skids reducing the effectiveness of the brakes. Handling, closer to a brick than a sportscar.

Top speed on a public road, not a private road. The golf cart paths are not public roads. However,you are correct if that illegal golf cart drives out on to a public road. Even one of those LSV golf carts that are registered, are limited to 25mph legally and can get ticketed for exceeding that speed (even if they are allowed onto roads with a 35mph speed limit)

jimjamuser 11-02-2022 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeycereal (Post 2153863)
I'm fine at 20, which is what the new carts go at with 10" tires put on. When he said it's harder on the back end after fixing a cart to go faster I decided not to.

I would make an educated guess and say that it would be harder on the engine also. Actually, raising ANY vehicle makes the vehicle accelerate slightly slower. puts a small amount of additional stress on the engine, in addition to increasing the chance of brake skid and a rollover. That's why for a given engine output a lower sports car-type height gives BOTH better acceleration AND better handling. The center of MASS of a vehicle is very important and lower is better. Even in wrestling.

HORNET 11-02-2022 03:27 PM

Does it cost to turn on your signal light?

Stu from NYC 11-02-2022 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HORNET (Post 2153894)
Does it cost to turn on your signal light?

Many people including the police seem to think so

DAVES 11-02-2022 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeycereal (Post 2153629)
On grumps, during my first golf card ride in the villages last year a friend who was taking me around with his enhanced cart mentioned that a few times when he passed others they gave the finger. Currently I have yet to encounter anyone yelling at me on my cart for anything, but they'll need to shout above Van Halen on volume 11.:cool:

As I read this post. The finger. Perhaps a signal to turn the volume down.

defrey12 11-02-2022 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dimaxim (Post 2153436)
At the risk of getting slammed with criticism, can't help but post this concern. In my golf cart on Friday on the cart path behind Laurel Manor - going to turn left into Winifred (admit I didn't put my turn signal on :oops:). Nobody on the road except for the guy behind me. I turned left and apparently he didn't like that I did it without a turn signal on. He proceeded to shout obscenities at the top of his lungs for the next block. :rant-rave: I finally turned in the opposite direction he was going just to avoid his rantings. Low and behold, a few minutes later I was waiting for traffic to clear at the intersection of Buena Vista and Sumter Lake Miona entrance. Apparently I didn't cross fast enough for the man behind me who proceeded yet again to yell at me. What is happening in this country of so many blessings that we have become so unkind and inconsiderate of others. Must have been something in the air that day. For me, I will just hope for the future to be better and forgive the obviously grumpy old men who felt compelled to be rude.

Birds…

mikeycereal 11-02-2022 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2153908)
As I read this post. The finger. Perhaps a signal to turn the volume down.

When I listen to Faster Pussycat so does the neighborhood. :swear: :pepper2: :swear:

kkingston57 11-02-2022 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GaryKoca (Post 2153567)
Most people here are just fine. But one thing I have noticed, When I am on a street like Hillsboro when the driving lane and golf cart lane merge and I am on my golf cart merging (turn signal is on), more and more drivers will cut me off even though they entered the lane after me. Never used to see that before.

Probably caused by poor and/or worsening eyesight and not manners.

MorTech 11-03-2022 03:53 AM

About 15% of retirees in any community are mentally ill and rabbid...They are not the majority. Do not let them bother you for even one second and don't project their sociopathy on others. Most people in TV are wonderful.

ThirdOfFive 11-03-2022 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2153986)
About 15% of retirees in any community are mentally ill and rabbid...They are not the majority. Do not let them bother you for even one second and don't project their sociopathy on others. Most people in TV are wonderful.

They are.

But who is going to read posts about rainbows and unicorns?

banjobob 11-03-2022 07:10 AM

Not condone no your critics actions but maybe you should evaluate your driving habits or abilities.

Teemotay 11-03-2022 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2153853)
Again THE LAW. The law is that THE CAR has the right of way. Aside, I ride a bike, drive a golf cart and drive a car. Recent story on the villages radio station, Florida drivers are listed as the worst drivers in the nation.

And the most litigious. Bad combination.

PugMom 11-03-2022 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2153669)
How????

On interstate highways and other high speed limited access roads, the NUMBER ONE cause of accidents is slow drivers, particularly in the left lane. They might not be involved directly in a crash, but they certainly CAUSE them as other drivers scramble to get around what is essentially a road obstruction. Now some bozo will respond with the trite "We're retired, what's the rush?". Not the point, the point is that these clowns don't get to dictate speed to everyone else on the road----that's what the speed limit sign, determined by a legislature in consultation with traffic engineers are responsible for.

you're correct again. just the other day i read on a news site about a driver being pulled over for traveling too slow. the K-9 officer 'hit' on his car & they found a bunch of drugs. idk if the person traveling slowly was under the influence or not, but it was that reason he was pulled over

OhioBuckeye 11-03-2022 09:00 AM

Dimaxim- you know I knew someone that was from a state up north & from his same state he told me he had people there that would bump into him & just about spin him around in circles & he said they would never say excuse me or say I’m sorry. He said he never went back there in his life. So to make this story short, it must be they way they were raised or they thought you should look out for them. There’s a lot of A-Holes that live in TV that really think they live in there home town. I know what you’re saying, I’ve seen rude people there & where we live now. Maybe one of these days they’ll pop off to a bad A$$ Navy Seal or some Green Beret & maybe they’ll give them an attitude adjustment! Don’t lose any sleep over it. Once an A- Hole always an A-Hole.

UnwindRN 11-03-2022 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2153599)
"As people age, they become more like themselves". My gerontologist friend introduced me to that concept decades ago, and there is a lot of wisdom in it.

What that means basically is that when we're young(er) for the most part we have the ability to present the face that we WANT to present, to the world. Someone may feel seething anger inside over some real or imagined word or deed by another, but mostly we grit our teeth, give that person a cold smile and wisely remove ourselves from the situation. However as age starts wearing on us so too do our coping skills start to diminish as well as emotional control, often exacerbated by things like family or money issues, alcohol, chronic disease, beginning dementia, etc. We can no longer hide the person we've carefully kept hidden all those decades. He (or she) gradually starts peeking out, more and more often, and quite often incidents like the one in the OP happen.

I'm not saying this was the case in the incident described in the OP. But we're a town of 150,000 (give or take) geezers. So yes. In such a concentration incidents like this WILL happen. Best thing to do is precisely what the person being verbally attacked did. Leave. Don't escalate.

Agree...my 72 yr old borther...asked me the other day my age (you men forget stuff like that:a20:) I said 70.....he said oh so you're a geezer too.:bowdown:

As a former dialysis nurse I reminded myself how crummy the dialysis pts feel...and along with other comorbidities they can be ill. :bowdown: Try to keep in mind, may not feel good, already having a bad day....just go on and don't let it make your day bad.:girlneener:

Red Rose 11-03-2022 10:01 AM

There are too many people NOT using their turn signal lights. Or putting them on last minute. That is where the problem comes in. Please be more mindful of it and you just might eliminate the screaming and cussing. Not using them is very rude and causes frustration and accidents.

PersonOfInterest 11-03-2022 10:50 AM

Its tough living among the 'Old People', especially when they're 'grumpy'.

cullen12 11-03-2022 11:26 AM

Use your turn signals!
 
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Originally Posted by dimaxim (Post 2153436)
At the risk of getting slammed with criticism, can't help but post this concern. In my golf cart on Friday on the cart path behind Laurel Manor - going to turn left into Winifred (admit I didn't put my turn signal on :oops:). Nobody on the road except for the guy behind me. I turned left and apparently he didn't like that I did it without a turn signal on. He proceeded to shout obscenities at the top of his lungs for the next block. :rant-rave: I finally turned in the opposite direction he was going just to avoid his rantings. Low and behold, a few minutes later I was waiting for traffic to clear at the intersection of Buena Vista and Sumter Lake Miona entrance. Apparently I didn't cross fast enough for the man behind me who proceeded yet again to yell at me. What is happening in this country of so many blessings that we have become so unkind and inconsiderate of others. Must have been something in the air that day. For me, I will just hope for the future to be better and forgive the obviously grumpy old men who felt compelled to be rude.

You admit that someone was behind you but you clearly decided NOT to use your turn signals. This is a safety issue and an annoyance for those behind you. The turn signals are on your cart and car for a reason. You are not entitled!

MorTech 11-03-2022 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2153669)
How????

On interstate highways and other high speed limited access roads, the NUMBER ONE cause of accidents is slow drivers, particularly in the left lane. They might not be involved directly in a crash, but they certainly CAUSE them as other drivers scramble to get around what is essentially a road obstruction. Now some bozo will respond with the trite "We're retired, what's the rush?". Not the point, the point is that these clowns don't get to dictate speed to everyone else on the road----that's what the speed limit sign, determined by a legislature in consultation with traffic engineers are responsible for.

To be accurate...The number one cause of accidents is people passing on the right.
Fast and slow drivers coexist just fine on the German Autobahn.

jebartle 11-03-2022 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dimaxim (Post 2153436)
At the risk of getting slammed with criticism, can't help but post this concern. In my golf cart on Friday on the cart path behind Laurel Manor - going to turn left into Winifred (admit I didn't put my turn signal on :oops:). Nobody on the road except for the guy behind me. I turned left and apparently he didn't like that I did it without a turn signal on. He proceeded to shout obscenities at the top of his lungs for the next block. :rant-rave: I finally turned in the opposite direction he was going just to avoid his rantings. Low and behold, a few minutes later I was waiting for traffic to clear at the intersection of Buena Vista and Sumter Lake Miona entrance. Apparently I didn't cross fast enough for the man behind me who proceeded yet again to yell at me. What is happening in this country of so many blessings that we have become so unkind and inconsiderate of others. Must have been something in the air that day. For me, I will just hope for the future to be better and forgive the obviously grumpy old men who felt compelled to be rude.

Probably the same place HONESTY went!

Laker14 11-03-2022 06:21 PM

I started a thread a couple of weeks ago about how after returning to TV in mid-October, I was taken aback by how friendly and courteous shoppers were at the Walmart by Colony. I was in a grumpy mood myself, having just spent a few days on the road getting here from New York, and it was a joyful reminder that I had returned to a place where people are really FRIENDLY.
I realized that part of my surprise was due to the fact that since I'd left TV in May, my only interface with it had been TOTV. There are a lot of unfriendly responses on TOTV.
As Ben Crenshaw's mom used to say to him, growing up, "Be sweet."

JerseyBK 11-04-2022 08:44 AM

Been here for a year now, and have seen these types of situations from time to time. Some of the posts here can be a bit snarky too. But all in all, compared to where we came from, my wife and I find the people here to be incredibly positive and kind!

fdpaq0580 11-04-2022 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Rose (Post 2154142)
There are too many people NOT using their turn signal lights. Or putting them on last minute. That is where the problem comes in. Please be more mindful of it and you just might eliminate the screaming and cussing. Not using them is very rude and causes frustration and accidents.

I always use my signals, but, I have noticed that sometime my signal seems to be the very thing that triggers the person following to hit the gas to try and cut me off. Funny, that.

fdpaq0580 11-04-2022 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cullen12 (Post 2154170)
You admit that someone was behind you but you clearly decided NOT to use your turn signals. This is a safety issue and an annoyance for those behind you. The turn signals are on your cart and car for a reason. You are not entitled!

And neither was the self-appointed traffic warden verbally assaulting and acting in what sounds like a very threatening manner. If he thought he was teaching, what he taught is that he is unstable loudmouth.

fdpaq0580 11-04-2022 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2154203)
To be accurate...The number one cause of accidents is people passing on the right.
Fast and slow drivers coexist just fine on the German Autobahn.

I just found one site that said "speeding" was number one, another said "distracted driving". People need to drive safely and well within the limits of their abilities and comfort zone and quit hitching about the other drivers. An angry driver is not at their best.

DonH57 11-05-2022 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Romad (Post 2153563)
This starting getting worse around October 1st. More traffic plus the snowbirds and lost renters that don’t care to learn the customs and courtesies for living here. I’m surprised more have not run down a bunch of carts or bicyclists or bicyclists with their carts yet.

Don't forget them hitting into the foursome in front of them. Had it happen yesterday at Souhern Star.

Byte1 11-05-2022 02:58 PM

Where Did Kindness and Courtesy Go?

Probably along with those that have left church attendance, laugh at morals and ethics and have no respect for human life.


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