Where will the resources come from to staff all the new businesses in TV?

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Old 08-18-2019, 11:13 AM
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Which people? Where will they live, where will they come from, what will they do when they're not working? Which people will be attracted enough to these jobs, AND qualified to accept them, AND in a financial position to afford them, that these businesses will draw employees?

And don't forget the criteria here, because it's real:

1. Seniors relying on social security must either earn more than their social security check, OR work very few hours. So the jobs need to be either REALLY GOOD high paying full time jobs, OR really crappy low-paying part time jobs, if their target employee is a senior on social security.

2. Non-seniors who are healthy enough to work these jobs, will need health care. If they are being subsidized, then working will immediately cause their premiums to rise, and might disqualify them from any subsidies at all. So if the target potential unemployed person seeking work is someone who qualifies for subsidies, the jobs need to either a) come with comprehensive health care or b) pay enough to cover the employee's full cost of premiums on top of paying the rent/mortgage utility bills taxes etc.

So again: where will these resources - these potential employees come from? Who will they be?

The same place they are coming from now. This is not an unheard of situation for employment, millions are managing this at this very moment. Why is it a crisis all of a sudden in The Villages? Lot of smoke, no fire.
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Old 08-18-2019, 11:45 AM
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Would love to see some type of proof or facts, that even MOST Villagers...came from 'poor' backgrounds.

Broad-brush statements can be made by anyone with just an opinion and an agenda (and make proclamations, pretending to speak for MOST others), but require actual proof...to have even a scintilla of credibility.

It's boring at best, completely deceiving at worst, having someone drone on about how their anecdotal experiences...somehow apply to most other people.
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I agree with Gracie. The incivility on this forum makes me wonder how many here have any education.

If there is any "incivility" on this site, you would have to search far and wide to find it because the Mods take excellent care of this site and delete that kind of thing.

Rambling comments that go on and on and are often repeated week-after-week, month-after-month and year-after-year get old and pretty boring. It's kinda like some people should remove their foot before they speak and are simply doing it for recognition ???. They simply go on and on motor-mouthing just to be heard but in reality, are not saying very much.

While one may agree with another poster although they are continually asked to back up what they've said and they never do, how can an "educated" person agee with them? They never respond to what they've said as factual and ignore the request.
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Old 08-18-2019, 11:53 AM
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1. Seniors relying on social security must either earn more than their social security check, OR work very few hours. So the jobs need to be either REALLY GOOD high paying full time jobs, OR really crappy low-paying part time jobs, if their target employee is a senior on social security.
Huh? This comment makes no sense. If you are already getting Social Security, you can work as much or little as you want and it has NO effect on your monthly SS payment. Therefore to work or not to work is an individual choice. Some folks like to bag groceries at Publix because it gets them out and around others and it's a low stress way to make extra income.
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And to get back on topic, this is a very tight job market as others have noted. There are many opportunities out there for those seeking work.
Yes, we have societal issues with drug abuse and mental illness but we also have governmental issues such as penalizing people on assistance if they work or reducing benefits if the father stays in the home. Welfare and other assistance programs should always be a hand up and not a hand out. We, as a Nation, appear to have forgotten that.
Regardless, People who WANT to work will find plenty of jobs right now. Employers who want workers will do what is necessary to find and hire them. From this start, demand for housing will lead to more housing being available. All this has happened before and all this will happen again.
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Huh? This comment makes no sense. If you are already getting Social Security, you can work as much or little as you want and it has NO effect on your monthly SS payment. Therefore to work or not to work is an individual choice. Some folks like to bag groceries at Publix because it gets them out and around others and it's a low stress way to make extra income.

Actually, there is more to it. It is not as simple as what was said in the quote above.

The quote above applies only to those who choose to wait until reaching full SS age before collecting.

Those who choose to collect SS at 62, or somewhere before their full SS age, have to calculate earned income limitations should they decide to work. That is because SS benefits are reduced by $1 for every $2 earned over a certain limit. The earned income limit for 2019 is $17,640. ($1470 per month)
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As Boomer and my obviously smarter than me wife pointed out, I forgot about the less than "full retirement" age requirement of social security. I stand corrected on that. But my comment still applies to all who waited until 65 or 66 to take full benefits. And even for those who did take benefits early, over $17K of extra income is nothing to sneeze at.
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Actually, there is more to it. It is not as simple as what was said in the quote above.

The quote above applies only to those who choose to wait until reaching full SS age before collecting.

Those who choose to collect SS at 62, or somewhere before their full SS age, have to calculate earned income limitations should they decide to work. That is because SS benefits are reduced by $1 for every $2 earned over a certain limit. The earned income limit for 2019 is $17,640. ($1470 per month)
Not just those who "choose" to get SS at age 62 but those whose jobs, companies, departments were eliminated when you're almost 62, and starting over in the work force after over 20 years at the same job, when you were planning on retiring in a few years anyway, is not practical or pragmatic. Sometimes "early retirement" isn't a choice.
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Not just those who "choose" to get SS at age 62 but those whose jobs, companies, departments were eliminated when you're almost 62, and starting over in the work force after over 20 years at the same job, when you were planning on retiring in a few years anyway, is not practical or pragmatic. Sometimes "early retirement" isn't a choice.

You are right, Jazuela. (I chose the wrong verb. “Choose” in this circumstance is loaded with the wrong connotation.)

What you are talking about is absolutely true. It just happened to someone we know. And to heap insult upon injury, though he is close to Medicare age, his wife is 3 years behind him, making the scramble for healthcare awful. It was obvious age-discrimination, but the big companies have the big legal departments.
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You are right, Jazuela. (I chose the wrong verb. “Choose” in this circumstance is loaded with the wrong connotation.)

What you are talking about is absolutely true. It just happened to someone we know. And to heap insult upon injury, though he is close to Medicare age, his wife is 3 years behind him, making the scramble for healthcare awful It was obvious age-discrimination, but the big companies have the big legal departments.
This is our situation. Except he is 4 years away from Medicare, I'm 6 years away from it. His social security benefits don't kick in for another 1.5 years. We're living off the money we put away for to supplement his pension and social security, in our retirement. It'll be gone early next year, if we can't sell the house up north.
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Yes, I was a bit taken aback too. I thought New Jersey must pay their teacher’s well.
Depends on the city/town. Teachers pay varies insanely and is based on number of years worked and education "upgraded" In our town MAX teacher SALARY was around $90K not including all the benefits like medical & Rx for life after working 25 years. Go into up to master + 30. Newark it's even higher due to battle pay but PENSION is nowhere near $100K for a fully vested (25 years) teacher at top pay level,. That's controlled by the State. They don't even give fully paid medical to new retirees anymore. That stopped about 15 years ago. Some NON-TEACHER retirees medical costs is MORE than their pension but still cheaper than paying out of pocket.
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You are right, Jazuela. (I chose the wrong verb. “Choose” in this circumstance is loaded with the wrong connotation.)

What you are talking about is absolutely true. It just happened to someone we know. And to heap insult upon injury, though he is close to Medicare age, his wife is 3 years behind him, making the scramble for healthcare awful.

It was obvious age-discrimination, but the big companies have the big legal departments
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The same thing that has happened to hundreds of thousands of people over the years, of workers who were let go (under other manufactured reasons) because either they, their spouse and/or children...were costing too much on their company's health plans.

It's real easy for those of us who never experienced that horrible situation to minimize it, but then again, not really caring about other folks/the less fortunate and only putting oneself first...is a cancer that infects a large portion of this great country.
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Mods; Since this thread has now degenerated into innuendo and snarkish attacks. I request it be closed . So sad that what started out as an interesting topic has degenerated into this mess because of a few individuals with apparent axes to grind. People, if we can't play nice then please get out of the sandbox.
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With all of the automated checkout counters at supermarkets , home centers etc, , we might find people changing to jobs that might have a more likely future.
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Today was one of those rare days when all the moderators must have been out enjoying life instead of sitting behind the keyboard refereeing petty squabbles. I just removed 38 posts just from today on this thread that were off topic, mean spirited, ugly, political, etc. You get the idea.

Come on folks, please be civil and stay on the topic. If this public feuding continues, a few of you may be getting an extended vacation from TOTV.

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