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autumnspring 07-20-2017 09:05 AM

I question where freedom of speech ends
 
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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1426018)
All of those are OK with me. A Confederate battle flag or a Nazi flag with a swastika would also be acceptable. I can't think of any kind of symbol that would offend me.

For me freedom of speech is sacred. For me freedom of speech is most important when you do not agree with what is being said.
I wonder as they remove confederate statues etc in the name of POLITICALLY CORRECT and yet I would strongly object to NAZI FLAGS, KKK FLAGS, ISSIS FLAGS OR BLACK POWER FLAGS BEING FLOWN.

If, I recall, one of the supreme court justices said, pornography is impossible to define but I will know it when I see it. As my dad said, your rights end where the other persons rights begin.

While I am not christian, I have no objection to the small white crosses that some have chosen to put in front of their homes. There is a point where it gets to be too much
For me I don't think we are at that point and I hope we never get there.

autumnspring 07-20-2017 09:26 AM

There are many things we do not agree on
 
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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1426055)
A resident lodging a complaint should be given anonymity. Why? Because if not, many residents would not speak up because of concern that they would be harassed by the probable offender.

Deep compliance relies exclusively on resident complaints and if they are not provided anonymity would never speak up.

I trust the people working in Deed compliance to respond in an intelligent and tactful manner

Personal Best Regards:

RE: anonymous reports
Under the law of our nation you have the right to face your accuser.
For me, if I had an issue I would directly speak to the person before resorting to the architectural committee etc.

My next door neighbor hired one of the landscape people to do stone work etc. Part of what they did was actually on my property. The neighbor, agreed to have it moved. The worker came over to me and told me I was a ....... etc etc etc etc. I told him directly that I was going to check.
I called the architectural people. First of all the "EXPERT" had not even filed a plan as he needs to. He was in VIOLATION and they forced him to move it. They actually were nice about it.

Some of these things can really get out of hand. Was someone to report you or me you would be offended and you would guess who did it-perhaps incorrectly.

NEIGHBOR REPORTING NEIGHBOR-I HOPE NOT.

charmed59 07-20-2017 09:27 AM

I'm curious what are reasons people are putting white crosses in their yard.

Gpsma 07-20-2017 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by charmed59 (Post 1426138)
I'm curious what are reasons people are putting white crosses in their yard.

I may be mistaken but I believe its a symbol for those who are Right to Lifers.

Frankly I don't care what anyone puts on their lawn as long as its not offensive or goes beyond the "spirit" of the deed restrictions.

What is more annoying are those, some on here, who pontificate about "reading the deed restrictions". I guess those are the same people that routinely obey the speed limit and never ever go one mile above it.

biker1 07-20-2017 09:44 AM

How would you know what the "spirit" of the deed restrictions are unless you actually read them? Regardless, the "spirit" doesn't matter. You signed up for a set of rules and should follow them.

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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 1426143)
I may be mistaken but I believe its a symbol for those who are Right to Lifers.

Frankly I don't care what anyone puts on their lawn as long as its not offensive or goes beyond the "spirit" of the deed restrictions.

What is more annoying are those, some on here, who pontificate about "reading the deed restrictions". I guess those are the same people that routinely obey the speed limit and never ever go one mile above it.


biker1 07-20-2017 09:49 AM

Would "never" speak up? Sorry, not true. There may be less complaints filed. It would also probably reduce trolling. I have lived in a gated community with deed restrictions and where complaints were not anonymous. It worked fine.

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1426055)
A resident lodging a complaint should be given anonymity. Why? Because if not, many residents would not speak up because of concern that they would be harassed by the probable offender.

Deep compliance relies exclusively on resident complaints and if they are not provided anonymity would never speak up.

I trust the people working in Deed compliance to respond in an intelligent and tactful manner

Personal Best Regards:


Barefoot 07-20-2017 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1426154)
Would "never" speak up? Sorry, not true. There may be less complaints filed. It would also probably reduce trolling.

I think that requiring complainers to give their names would lead more aggression among neighbors.
It's scary (to me) the way residents sometimes threaten the use of guns.

Taltarzac725 07-20-2017 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1426160)
I think that requiring complainers to give their names would lead more aggression among neighbors.
It's scary (to me) the way residents sometimes threaten the use of guns.

And we have some really nasty Villagers around who seem to really enjoy causing as many problems as possible. Once a punk; always a punk.

Bogie Shooter 07-20-2017 10:01 AM

IT HAS ALL BEEN SAID BEFORE......264 POSTS.
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...=white+crosses
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...=white+crosses
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...=white+crosses

biker1 07-20-2017 10:06 AM

The trouble is, with the exception of trollers, you will probably figure out who did complain or incorrectly assume who complained. The net result may be even more tension. If your name is associated with a complaint, you are probably going to be more certain that there is really an issue and perhaps even try talking directly with your neighbor first. This is all actually moot since a change in the policy is not coming. My personal preference on how people should interact is a pipe dream.

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1426160)
I think that requiring complainers to give their names would lead more aggression among neighbors.
It's scary (to me) the way residents sometimes threaten the use of guns.


Gpsma 07-20-2017 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1426148)
How would you know what the "spirit" of the deed restrictions are unless you actually read them? Regardless, the "spirit" doesn't matter. You signed up for a set of rules and should follow them.

It's quite reasonable to know what the "spirit" is. It's sorta like when you are on your Harley doing 75 in a 65 and the cop doesn't pull you over because you are driving just fine.

I suggest more people start stretching the deed restrictions. Bring a little diversity to TV in appearance.

perrjojo 07-20-2017 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by charmed59 (Post 1426138)
I'm curious what are reasons people are putting white crosses in their yard.

I used to think it was a marker for a deceased pet but then there got to be so many.

golfing eagles 07-20-2017 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1426148)
How would you know what the "spirit" of the deed restrictions are unless you actually read them? Regardless, the "spirit" doesn't matter. You signed up for a set of rules and should follow them.

I take that to mean you ALWAYS come to a COMPLETE stop at that red octagonal sign when you are riding????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

biker1 07-20-2017 10:23 AM

The deed restrictions are black and white. Following up on your analogy, when is says you cannot have an outside mounted clothesline, it doesn't say that the clothesline cannot be longer than 65 feet and perhaps the CDD doesn't enforce the rule until you have a clothesline that is over 75 feet. You cannot have an outside mounted clothesline (unless permitted by some other law), period, and there is no "spirit" or "stretching" of the rule. I am curious as to which deed restrictions you are proposing that people start to stretch (i.e. violate)? I hope you are not suggestion that people start putting abandoned cars up on concrete blocks in their front yard. That would certainly bring a bit more diversity to The Villages ;-)

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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 1426170)
It's quite reasonable to know what the "spirit" is. It's sorta like when you are on your Harley doing 75 in a 65 and the cop doesn't pull you over because you are driving just fine.

I suggest more people start stretching the deed restrictions. Bring a little diversity to TV in appearance.


biker1 07-20-2017 10:24 AM

Probably about as often as you do and you signed up for the same rules as me ;-) And when you are driving, I am sure you also come to a complete stop at every stop sign and have never exceeded the speed limit, or jaywalked, or ... And the discussion was about the deed restrictions, of which I don't violate any. So, what's your point regarding the deed restrictions?


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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1426174)
I take that to mean you ALWAYS come to a COMPLETE stop at that red octagonal sign when you are riding????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:



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